Finding Good Beta Readers

oldhousejunkie

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Does anyone else have difficulty finding readers for historical fiction? I suppose, much like the current market, everyone is more interested in fantasy and paranormal than history.

I'm down to my final draft and I have one beta going over the MS as I speak, but I would like to get two more to go over it before I start querying. I have posted a plea on the Beta Reader/Writing Partner forum. I have also posted on another writing forum. But I am still having difficulty finding interested folks.

Does anyone have any suggestions for finding betas? I am currently unable to join any local writing groups, so that option is not available to me unfortunately. Are there any other good writing forums out there that I am missing out on?
 

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I don't say this just to toot my own horn (which is more a dispirited quack today), but I wrote a thread about this not long ago which applies to your experience. Let me go hunt the link. [Sound of bare feet retreating, then silence.]

Okay, got it: http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212171

It's not so much that your genre isn't as popular as others. It's that not many here know you, and those who do don't know you as well as they might like to before committing so much time to helping you. It's also a matter of your having too few posts to slap a chapter up at Share Your Work so potential betas can determine for themselves whether they want to volunteer to read much more.

This doesn't mean that your work isn't excellent or that you don't deserve a beta read. To me, it means that you're not yet a part of this writing community, which is really excellent about helping one another up the publishing ladder. If you can carve out the time to post where betas are likely to be, including doing critique of other people's work, I imagine it could pay off, big-time.

Meanwhile, all I can offer is my best wishes that someone offers.

Maryn, pleased to meet you
 

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My suggestion would be to get your post count up to 50 and then post your first chapter in Historical Share Your Work. Then, people have an opportunity to see what your period is, what your story line is, whether you're ready for a beta, and how you react to comments, both negative and positive. Right now, you're an unknown quantity and there aren't too many people around here who have the time to hop in and beta without knowing a lot more about you and your writing.

And, to get your post count up to fifty - why don't you read and comment on a couple of the threads that are already posted in Historical Share Your Work. That will give historical writers an even better opportunity to know you. Puma
 

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Thanks Maryn--I did read your post on that subject. It kind of boggled my mind--but I guess I would feel the same if I had some bad experiences too. I forget that not everybody is appreciative. And I guess people just don't know that I am and that I take comments very seriously. I have been lucky to find one good beta off the Willing Beta(s) List, who then recommended another AWer to me (who's currently going through my MS as I type). I've been very happy so far.

Regarding my post count, it's not that I'm not here. But I do spend a lot of time (and posts) on Nathan Bransford's forums. It's a small forum, where everyone plays nice for the most part. Unfortunately, I had a bad experience here on one of the other boards. I'm very much a "can't we all just get along" type of gal, so I was pretty upset. In fact, I didn't come back for several months. I lurked here for some time to judge how nice (or mean) folks were and once I saw that you all were a welcoming community, I started chiming in. So needless to say, I rarely venture out of the historical fiction forum.

Puma--I do cruise through the Historical Fiction SYW quite frequently. I just feel that a lot of what I would say gets said before I have a chance and there's no point in chiming in to say, "Ditto."

Anyway, moral of the story: I'm here, I'm trying, and I'm happy to meet you all.
 

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Actually...

chiming in to say ditto on SYW is very helpful. There's a general idea that if three people pick up on something then the writer must do some rethinking and rewriting. If just one pipes up then it becomes an individual comment.

So saying 'Yes, I also think...' actually is helpful.
 

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I think we're all saying pretty much the same thing, Oldhousejunkie, you'll have a much better chance finding betas if you become a member of the community and participate here and in historical SYW on a regular basis.

I've done beta reads for quite a few people here, and I've had some beta reads done for me. These are often done as exchanges, so in addition to finding someone interested in reading what you're writing about, you also have to be interested in reading what the other person's writing about. Sort of a tit for tat. This is a community with the basic idea of helping each other succeed.

I know you've done some commenting in SYW, and we do appreciate that. And yes, as pdr said, there is good reason to leave a comment in a thread even if you don't have anything to add - having another person agree that something is okay or not okay can tip the balance on a rewrite so the "nothing to add" comment really does serve a useful purpose. Puma
 

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I'm not disagreeing, Puma. I was just explaining why I am the way I am, and how my past experiences on here have made me somewhat gun shy. I want to participate, and have. In fact, I've commented in many of the threads on here. I imagine that a lot of early posts went disregarded because no one knew me. And if that's the case, why don't we have an introduction thread for this specific board?

And of course, I am perfectly happy returning the favor in regards to beta reading. That's a given in my mind, but maybe not in everyone's? In the past, I have done more beta-ing than I have sharing. But as I completed my revisions, my focus has changed to getting my work completed and preparing to query. That is not to say that I want to return the favor. I've been reading small things such as queries and synopses lately because I excel at that and I can promise to get it done quickly.

I will comment on SYW if my chiming in helps. I guess I was just thinking that I needed to be more analytical, creative, or whatever to do a genuine help.

I think we're all saying pretty much the same thing, Oldhousejunkie, you'll have a much better chance finding betas if you become a member of the community and participate here and in historical SYW on a regular basis.

I've done beta reads for quite a few people here, and I've had some beta reads done for me. These are often done as exchanges, so in addition to finding someone interested in reading what you're writing about, you also have to be interested in reading what the other person's writing about. Sort of a tit for tat. This is a community with the basic idea of helping each other succeed.

I know you've done some commenting in SYW, and we do appreciate that. And yes, as pdr said, there is good reason to leave a comment in a thread even if you don't have anything to add - having another person agree that something is okay or not okay can tip the balance on a rewrite so the "nothing to add" comment really does serve a useful purpose. Puma
 

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Some comments on your post:

my past experiences on here have made me somewhat gun shy. I'd be very surprised if anyone on these boards hasn't been through that phase/stage. It's part of learning how to deal with other people, and anyone can still sometimes make a mistake no matter how long he or she has been here.

I've commented in many of the threads on here. Your current post count is 47 in over a year. That's hardly scratching the surface. In contrast, there's a new guy in one of the forums I participate in who joined this month and is already over 150. I have a much better feel for him, his interests, and what he's about than I do for you.

I imagine that a lot of early posts went disregarded because no one knew me. We see all newcomers. Then it becomes a matter of who continues on and actively participates in the community. Unfortunately, even though you've been a member for over a year, you're still in basically the same position you were when you first joined - a newcomer in the early post stage.

And if that's the case, why don't we have an introduction thread for this specific board? It's not needed. People who actively participate become known and know the other players pretty quickly. If I want to get a feel for a real newcomer, I check out his or her profile (and hope it's filled out, and if it's not, that also tells me something.)

Think about it this way - when you get a beta read, you want the read to be from someone whose opinion you trust and value. You should want specific things from that read - grammar issues pointed out if there are any, clarity issues, involvement of the reader, etc. If you spend some time in SYW, you'll see that different people pick up and comment on different things, but it's rare for one critter to hit everything, and, not all critters (or betas) are equal. But as IdiotsRUs said, by sticking around in SYW she found a good beta.

And the same thing goes for us as far as offering to do a beta for you in exchange for a read of our WIPs. We don't know how you crit, what you'd pick up, whether you'd be decent in handling our time periods, etc.

We're not trying to be mean, just trying to help you understand the situation. We all have a lot invested in our writing and we all are short on time to do the things we need with our own work. But, if one of the old hands here asks me to read a chapter or synopsis or query or even the entire manuscript for them because they're stuck, I'll make time - because I know they'd do the same for me and I know they'd be able to tell me what I need to know.

One of the adages I think about frequently is - you get out of anything exactly in proportion to what you put in. And that's true of a community. Puma
 
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Yes...

learning to put up with the sniping and spiteful behaviour which does sometimes occur on the AW message boards is tricky. Some Mods are quick to pick up the atmosphere and sneaky one liners, and ask for a little 'tolerance and respect please!' others don't.

If you want decent Beta Readers then hang in and get yourself known.

Ignoring the nasties isn't easy but you have to if you want to establish a presence which people are comfortable with. Beta reading is a huge job and many of us can't take it on, but we will make an effort for people we are familiar with.

I do sympathize because I need Betas for my Yorkshire novel too but can't ask puma or cooee as they are flat tack busy and don't have the Yorkshire background my first Betas must have to pick the geographical and historical faults. You don't just need Betas you need Betas who like your era, who are familiar with the historical details, as well as being good readers who can articulate the flaws they find.

Don't despair. Either decide that this group here on AW is okay for you and pop in once a day or decide we won't do and seek a more comfortable group elsewhere.