The future's all right (On writing a YA in a non-dystopic future)

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So, there's a glut (flood? Swarm? Stampede?) of dystopian young adult coming out or being kicked around. That means that if someone wants to write a speculative fiction young adult novel and sell it, they REALLY should be looking into writing a utopian novel, so that one can stand out from the crowd, just as a peacock is more noticeable when surrounded by gray blobs of depression and bullets.

But wait, the cry goes, writing about a utopia would be boring. No one would have to do anything. They'd just be sitting around eating cakes! There has to be a problem to overcome, something to do, or the narrative goes nowhere and your readers hurl your book into a trash compactor.

This is true, of course!

So, we'll have to set our sights slightly lower and instead simply write about a future that doesn't suck and offers exciting storytelling possibilities. What do I mean by a future that doesn't suck?

It's easier to define what does not happen.

No mega-deaths
No catastrophic social collapses
No systemic failures of infrastructure
No global thermal-nuclear war
No pandemic
No unfriendly hard-takeoff singularity events
No asteroid impacts
No runaway population growth

And for the love of god, no fucking zombies.

Marry this with advances in technology and their implementation for fun and profit and you get a world where people live healthier, longer, better lives than today - just as people today live healthier, longer, better lives than yesteryear.

So, what kinds of interesting narratives can we tell in this 'non-sucky' settings that would be of interest to young adult readers?

Here are some ideas.


All the cool kids have skullguns
What it means to grow up with nanotech


Nanotechnology is nifty. With it, people hope to rebuild the environment, integrate computerized technology into everything, and completely reinvent how we do everything. And for you Marxists out there, nanotech fabricators (or fabbers) might just be your hot ticket to finally killing capitalism without killing millions of people. Yay! Add to that concepts like radical human augmentation and you've got plenty of concepts to run with.

Plot Idea!

Human augmentation is made easy and cheap by nanotech, allowing people to use non-invasive methods to literally grow new organs and mechanical components within their bodies. What if social circles in high school (or it's future equivalent) are now desginated by your mods? What if the rapid pace of school fads leads to rapid speciation of various social circles, unplanned for and unexpected by the more staid, less mod-inclined parents?



Fast Times in the Final Frontier
What it means to grow up in space

Space is awesome. Really, you don't need much more to make your story awesome than setting it in space. And more, with radical advances in material science and engine technology, it's fully possible that space might become an entrepreneur's market (to avoid those evil hypercorperations, mostly) and there's plenty of room for plucky teenage heroes to grow up or face certain death in the distant reaches of our solar system.

Plot idea!

Mining asteroids is hard work, and for the MC, it's the last thing they wanted to do. But when you're born in the Belt, you better well either get to work or scrounge up a ticket to Earth or Mars. Maybe the MC has a hard scrabble older sibling who is highly disappointed in them for not wanting to do 'real work'. But then, disaster strikes! Can the MC manage to keep his or her critically injured sibling alive while limping back to a space port? Maybe throw further wrenches into the equation - adding human elements to disaster stories are good.


Johnny-5 is better than Wall-E
That's actually not true at all. Also, robots!


The invention of a 'strong' Artificial Intelligence (also called an Artificial General Intelligence or AGI) is most likely going to change the entire world forever. We won't be alone anymore, and our fellow sentient will be the direct child of our mind. The advent of this mind will...oh...oh right, Robert J. Sawyer already wrote the YA about the advent of an AGI.

But you can surely think of a unique spin on it!


Space Opera + YA?
I'm running out of ideas and it's late


We need more space opera, honestly. And I'm of the opinion that every kind of fiction (except for erotica, really) can be directly and systemically improved by young adult elements.


So, hopefully this has helped spark some ideas. If you have any ideas of non-sucky futures and the stories that can be told in them, post them here!

And if you yourself are writing dystopian, I don't hate you. Dystopian fiction has a strong heritage of really fucking good books, and one of the best ways to avoid a problem is to know it exists.

But simply knowing a problem exists is no good if we can't hope and dream and imagine solutions and their ramifications.
 

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We could also try just writing what's real, which is neither true utopia nor dystopia.
 

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Yeah, I tend to think we can project forward to an imperfect-but-not-horrific future and find plenty of storylines to write. The future's going to look a lot like the present, only with some things better and some things worse, and we probably still won't have those damn flying cars I've been promised.
 

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I thoroughly endorse this. Please can we have some neato space opera. Also, robots, space ships, and ray guns.

I tend to feel like SF is about anxiety, or as John Clute put it conceptual breakthrough - that moment where you suddenly realise the world isn't the way you thought it was and you freak out a bit. But I think you can have that - the anxiety, the freakouts, the sense of wonder - against the backdrop of a world that isn't a Mad Max post-nuke/ecotastrophe/zombie plague junkyard.
 

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Dystopian settings, like everything else, are a tool for delivering a story. They're obviously not the only tool. Ultimately, good storytelling distills down to those universal plot points we all learned about in elementary school and again (for some) in our MFA programs. Dystopian simply provides a facile backdrop for one basic truth about literaure: just about every good story has an element of hope in it, something to strive for.

Love the ideas you provide.
 

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Yeah, I tend to think we can project forward to an imperfect-but-not-horrific future and find plenty of storylines to write. The future's going to look a lot like the present, only with some things better and some things worse, and we probably still won't have those damn flying cars I've been promised.

You could always set your story on Mars!

Mars can have flying cars, thanks to it's lighter gravity and, until it's been settled for centuries, it won't be nearly as populated and messy with air traffic and such.

I actually had an idea about a disenfranchised youth on a Mars where a rapid influx of poor have arrived to build trans-martian railroads

(railroads are useful for transporting bulk cargo, and Martian cities would be quite compact, making them perfect)

So, they run away from the city to join with the "rednecks", who are people that don't live in the cities, surviving by sucking permafrost out of the ground and using small hydroponic bays to grow food. Most of them get their technical components by trading services and local knowledge to the domers (people who live in domes, obviously) as they have explored more of the planet than the others, and can stake claims on resource deposits and good settlement sights and sell those to domers.

But then there are some who rob trains!

So the main character falls in with the bandits, but learns that the real life and the romantic ideal of barsoomian bandits are far from meeting.

And, hey, if the trains are steam powered, then it'd be more effective to use nuclear reactors instead of coal (do you know how hard it is to find coal on mars!?) and so the bandit leader could be stealing nuclear material to make a dirty bomb...that'll definitely make the damn domers listen, eh?
 

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I'd buy into a series of YA books set in a Starfleet equivalent.

There are endless possibilities for non-dystopian SF novels, good work pointing out some places to start. I've never enjoyed dystopian, so I can't wait for the current fad to pass (and Paranormal Romance, while we're at it!).
 

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Really neat ideas in this thread! Unfortunately I can't use any of them (I fail at writing anything other than contemporary), but I'd love to see some of them at a book store near me.

Also, there are a lot of cool possibilities for a future that isn't all techy and futuristic. David Levithan's novel Wide Awake takes place about 50 years or so in the future, and technology isn't unlike today's -- but the political and philosophical landscape is radically improved. It's really cool.
 

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It's an interesting idea, but I find it highly unrealistic, specially when technology is so damn useful and all pervasive...

But, hey, it's another thing to write down.
 

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And for the love of god, no fucking zombies.
What?! :eek: But - but they're so cool. Cool in a stinky gross way.

Of course, could say the media, the inter-webs, facebook, etc. is turning everyone into brain dead zombies, which isn't far from the truth.

There are endless possibilities for non-dystopian SF novels, good work pointing out some places to start. I've never enjoyed dystopian, so I can't wait for the current fad to pass (and Paranormal Romance, while we're at it!).
Para Romance is like Legion; it comes in many forms. Just look at the new dystopia; same angsty angle where two people can't be together because of X. In Para Romance, it was that the guy was some supernatural bad boy and he might hurt the girl. In dystopia, it's society that keeps them apart.

So looking into my crystal ball... I predict sci-fi/space opera to be the new para romance. Focus on alien/human relationship: can't be together because their parts don't match up. Arg, biology!
 

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So looking into my crystal ball... I predict sci-fi/space opera to be the new para romance. Focus on alien/human relationship: can't be together because their parts don't match up. Arg, biology!

Haha I'd love that. Now you mention it, my space opera WIP (not YA) involves some, er, biologically incompatible romance. Hopefully. Haven't got up to that bit yet.

But I'd love to see it addressed in a YA context. Becoming sexually attracted to a non-human sentient before you really know what sex is would probably be incredibly exciting. To read, of course...
 

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We could also try just writing what's real, which is neither true utopia nor dystopia.


That's what I do. I like contemporary setting. So sue me. (-:
 

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Space Opera + YA?
I'm running out of ideas and it's late


We need more space opera, honestly. And I'm of the opinion that every kind of fiction (except for erotica, really) can be directly and systemically improved by young adult elements.



Ha! The post-apocalyptic (sci-fi, whatevs) I've got out right now used to be a space opera. I turned it into a YA and took away their space ships. (I suspect they may hate me for this.)
 

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That's what I do. I like contemporary setting. So sue me. (-:

Hey, nothing we write is real. It's either fantastic or an off brand substitute for real that involves more cool things that what normally happens.

Frankly, contemporary is a steal. It's like real life, but cheaper, and less fattening!
 

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According to Mandy Hubbard, editors are really looking for sci-fi because they think a reader demand will progress from the dystopian trend. So don't worry too much about dystopians stealing your thunder ;)
 

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See, I enjoy dystopian, and I'll be happy to see it stay around for a while (especially since that's what I'm writing).
 

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And here is another long, rambling idea post!

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It's THE FUTURE, and unlike everything predicted by people in the 1990s, corporations didn't become mega-corporations, hyper-corporations, or even super-corporations. Nope. They crashed and burned, unable to keep up with the radically increased speed of the economic landscape and the sudden lack of scarcity.

Government's crashed and burned later, their attempts to control people and their lives leading to people leaving en masse. Why stay in a city when you can just head out into the wilderness with a fabber and live free? And the internet was so integrated and spread that they didn't even need to stop communicating with their friends. The armies sent out to force people back to work switched sides.

Why fight to save a system that leaves you shoeless when there is a promise of material wealth for everyone and true freedom?

Everything settles down into a sprawling patchwork of hundreds of thousands of ministates, created and sustained by popular opinion. They mostly fall along nano-socialist and anarcho-libertarian lines, and are at peace. The only true 'statist' countries that are left are just a haven for people who get off on control...and the people who get off on being controlled.

And needless to say, they're always offered the medicine and psychosurgery that can fix that mental disorder, but, hey, they're free to...not be free if they want.

So, a common tactic for raising children is to send them on walkabout. Give them a fabber, a weapon, some armor, and have them head out through all the states, experiencing all the shades of humanity. They'll visit furry-topias, where humanoid animals roleplay elaborate fantasies; Jungian Complexes, where collections of people lay in stasis chambers and have their subconcious minds interfaced with short ranged radios, creating a share and very surreal dreamscape; Party Communes, where all is shared and everyone works for the betterment of humanity (what that means exactly depends on the Commune in question).

Everyone is free to switch society if they want too. People have learned that it's just...not worth keeping someone around. If they hate their life, they can always complain to a neighbor, whose in a different minisociety, who will start complaining, and sudden your entire minisociety is cut out of the global network as everyone shames you.

They're fine with racist dictatorships, so long as everyone who follows them actually WANTS to be led by a racist dictator.

And not many people invade. They run fantasy campaigns, sometimes, but an actual invasion will rapidly lead to various minisocieties testing out their fancy new weapon tech on you. And since no society is really huge (most of the more popular variations tend toward being small scale, so they naturally split themselves up) there's no Russian Tactic (I.E, drown your enemy with warm bodies and hope you win).

So, anywho, the main character would be a teen from a Mind-Net (think the Borg, but sexier and less pointlessly evil) who is going on walkabout. He or she is trying to figure out what its like to be an individual, and they meet a freewheeling teen from an anarchist society that promotes artistry and sculpture.

They hit it off and decide to take their walkabout to the most exciting place. They've read about all these minisocieties in high definition 3d full immersion simulations...why walk there when one can go to the Belt!

Yes, the Belt, where a lot of the world's new resources come (most things are recycled, or built to LAST). It's an exciting place, where people are truly independent.

So they hire on with an asteroid jockey society and zip off to the Belt to mine rocks.

But unknown to humanity, something is approaching the solar system. The discovery comes a week or so after our heroes arrive in the belt, with several astrological oddities are realized to not be supernovas or anything like that...but rather ENGINE plumes from massive starships.

Communication flickers from the ships to various human societies, and the net buzzes: The aliens have been observing us, and they have an old language (English) down pat...and they think that we still have something called a UN and want this UN to surrender?

Seems these aliens were in the same boat that we were in in the 21st century...but their two superpowers managed to stay up and fighting, rather than having one of them fall apart. That spurred a faster and faster space race WITHOUT the mega-systems collapsing under their own weight. Strict control beat nanotech into a small corner, and the civilization exists by taking worlds, strip mining them, and shipping the materials back to their homeworld via a system of massive rail guns built on their slave worlds.

It's inefficient. It's stupidly expensive. It's very statist.

And now they have their sights on Earth, the third gem in their growing Imperial Crown.

As the minisocieties back home burst into a semi-unified defense, the Belters realize that they're the first line of defense from a horrific ground war...and if those ships get into orbit around the Earth, their railguns can smash billions of lives into ash and smoke and kick back the terraforming efforts hundreds of years.

Well...our heroes wanted an adventure.

It looks like they have it.
 

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Mining asteroids is hard work, and for the MC, it's the last thing they wanted to do. But when you're born in the Belt, you better well either get to work or scrounge up a ticket to Earth or Mars. Maybe the MC has a hard scrabble older sibling who is highly disappointed in them for not wanting to do 'real work'. But then, disaster strikes! Can the MC manage to keep his or her critically injured sibling alive while limping back to a space port? Maybe throw further wrenches into the equation - adding human elements to disaster stories are good.
I would love to give this a try. Why can I never come up with such cool ideas...
 

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Go for it. Two people can write the same story in vastly different ways, and I'm fine with anyone getting inspired or excited and such with my ideas.
 
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Fun thread.

I want to say that a lot of my story ideas for YA are sci-fi and not dystopian. Several of them are space opera. A list of ideas which I've incorporated into my own work but would like to see more of:

1. Augmented reality: VR is over-rated and tough to do, but current technology is capable of fairly realistic AR applications, and considering how many young folks are still obsessed with video games, it seems like AR video games are a realistic evolution and also suited to YA stories. I can only think of two stories using AR off the top of my head, and they are the anime "Dennou Coil" and "Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu". You can do all sorts of stuff with AR, from social net-working, to video-games, to information systems, to sports. You can use it for art, for virtual body mods, for avatar creation, fashion, etc. I have a short story and a novel dealing with the effects of AR on education and urban life. It could be applied to almost any area of teen life.


2. Space Opera: Zoombie mentioned this one. I don't see a lot of it coming out in the US or UK, but anime has been running with this trope forever, and it's incredibly popular in Japan. I can cite most of the Gundam Series, Heroic Age, and many others.

3. Identity: Still a pretty hot topic right now. Facebook's privacy issues, various applications that keep track of website views. Internet stalking and bullying are two other issues that have been in the news recently. Various scam companies have been using the promise of background checks, apps on facebook or deviantart allowing you to track who's been checking your profile, account confirmation e-mails etc to hook internet users and steal personal information or identities.

4. Internet interaction: I read a brilliant short story about taking social net-working to its furthest extent. Social net-working began earlier, dug deeper, and resulted in a world where computer-generated empathy prevented people from doing harm to others. This utopic shot story still managed to have a fantastic conflict, which dealt with human but also teen issues. Various studies have come out discussing the effect of long-distance social interaction becoming more and more a part of our lives. You could have any sort of plot here, from mysteries, to romances, etc.

5. Political sicence fiction: Someone already mentioned the fall of big governments and micro-states. I can only really think of Neal Stephenson's Diamond Age for science fiction touching on non-traditional political divisions like micro-states, territorial rights, etc. And it's not even really YA, as such.

6. Gender: We're coming to the end of a very interesting discussion on gender in readership, which could easily be expanded into a non-dystopic future story. We also had an interesting discussion on sexual orientation in YA. How will gender ideas and ideals change in the future? There are biological issues of gender, and there's already some good books on transexuality, homosexuality, etc. But what about the in-between areas? There's a clothing movement in Japan where completely straight males are wearing skirts. It's not really cross-dressing, because often the rest of the outfit is male. Other issues include target markets for media. There's a college/frat thing going on called "Bronies", where groups of guys get together and watch My Little Pony. It's a pretty big meme. How are out views on sex and gender changing? How will things be during the shift, and how will they be after it? Both good topics for near-future sf.
 
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No mega-deaths

Well there goes my idea.

I've actually thrown around the idea of writing a space opera style thing before, but with the market so glutted with dystopian fiction, might it be hard to make any science fiction story stand out? Some publishers might read a novel set in the future, notice that there's a negative element (living on a desert planet isn't fun and everyone is poor) and decide that they don't want it because they still think it's dystopian even though it's not. I've seen examples of worse reasons for rejections in the Rejection and Dejection forum.
 
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