Publishing a Book of Poetry

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Hey guys.

No, I don't want advice on how to publish my own book of poems. :) I'm just curious.

I'm in doing a Masters in creative writing at the moment (in NZ) and we just had a guest speaker (who has had two books of poetry published in the States) come and talk to our class.
It was really interesting, but I was surprised when she talked about her route to publication (of a book of poetry).

She considered the standard route to be submitting to publishing contests, and estimated that she submitted to 20 or so per year, at an average of $35 a pop entry fees. She did this for both her books. First one took 5 years.
She also said that most of them are blind contests, so publishing credits supposedly don't matter that much for them (but she absolutely encouraged us to submit to journals).

She is not only a published author, but also a professor of English and married to another teacher who is also published, so I take her word for it.

But, seriously?
Our tutor (who is well published and known in NZ) compared it to her route, which was to submit directly to a press, after building up some publishing credits and then (in her words), all going well, they take care of you indefinitely after that.
I presume that's if you sell well enough to justify multiple books.
No agent, no contests... Although the fiction tutor then tuned in with "NZ is too small to need agents" which I don't quite believe.

Anyway, I guess I just assumed publishing a book of poetry would be the same as a novel... find an agent who then subs it to publishers (obviously there are other methods, like self-pubbing, etc. but this is the standard as far as I can tell).

Are contests really the standard route to publication of poetry books in the States? What about in other countries?

It seems like a good way to make struggling artists struggle even harder... I know I couldn't afford multiple $35 entry fees.

I'm kind of glad now I only have my heart set on being a poet on the side.
 

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Read this for my personal experience.

Yes - poetry contests can act as a springboard and winning a prestigious one will catapult you into interest, setting certain doors open and leaving most ajar. However they are no guarantee, and there are other routes if you're shy of cash. Submit to reviews and journals whether paying or not - this will give you credits and exposure - again, adding to your portfolio, making you that little bit more recognizable, perhaps even a tad more attractive in terms of an unsolicited poet. Once you get that ball rolling - and works start to become requested from you, you could go in search of a literary agent - perhaps even approach a publisher - it depends on what your audience demographic is and the profitability of your poetry...but it's all still very much luck and 'what if' scenarios.
 
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Hmm...if you go in for contests, at whatever their entry-fees are, you are entering something like a sheep-dip. All the poems/poets have to squash through that narrow gate at the exact same time - and there is no second chance. There is no refund for failures. To make it even worse (!) coming second or third or being an honorable mention just doesn't look quite imprseeive enough on the back cover of your published collection.
However, sending poems (and they are usually requested to be sent in clumps of four to six) to magazines is cheaper and of course there are no deadlines to meet. You choose when and where to send them.
And, if you do win a contest, it's in those very magazines that the good gossip spreads, whereas the contest organisers are already moving on to their next competition. They don't always spread the news of your win as much as they publicise the entry details for the next one.
Obviously, anyone loaded with money can follow the first poet's path, but I notice it took her five years x 20 entries x $35, so doesn't that come to $3,500 in all?$700 a year for five years!
 

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Seriously. And that's not counting submitting individual poems to contests, I'd guess. That kind of expense comes perilously close, in my mind, to making submissions of that type fall into the category of vanity publishing. If this is what the winners spend, how much do the losers spend?
 

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Which was why I wondered if there was another path. She put this forward as pretty much the usual path for a poet to get a book published in the States... not the only way, but the way most people do it.
She told us both of her books had around 90% of the poems in them published elsewhere before the books came out, so she was definitely submitting to journals and the like also.

And, in the end she was successful; she has published two books with well respected companies, has won awards, is traveling in NZ talking to us about poetry... And she was well worth hearing.
I just wanted to hear from other experiences as well, out of curiosity.
 

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I gave up on the contest circuit long ago. I don't have that kind of money, and the chances to win, show, or place are so small you might as well play the lottery. I think my total contest investment was about $70 US, and I won $60, so not too bad.

In the USA we have many small-ish presses that publish poetry. I haven't submitted to them, as my poetry book is very niche (Christian/family) and I haven't found any that publish poetry in that niche. Plus I need to have it illustrated. I submitted it to two mainstream Christian publishers; two rejections. Self-publishing is an option, but poetry does not do well with most e-readers (I hear the Nook is an exception, though I have no experience with it).
 

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I've kind of wondered about e-books and poetry. What have you been able to find out? Any suggestions/links on best places to read up?
 

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I embedded a poem in my e-short story, currently for sale on Kindle. [/shameless commercial plug] So long as the reader keeps the font small, the poem formats fine. But with larger font the lines will wrap, and it's impossible to tell what the intent of the poet was for line breaks. As I said, someone told me the B&N Nook has that beat somehow, but I don't know if that is true. It would be nice for a Nook owner to comment.

Because of the formatting issue, I'm not planning on e-publishing my poetry. But with POD becoming more reasonably priced, I am considering publishing it that way. I still have to find a way to have it illustrated on spec. I've pursued several avenues for that and all have fallen through.

NDG
 

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I know a fantastic illustrator, FYI. She can do anything (has done a children's book I saw, sculpture, painting), but most of the stuff I've seen of hers has been wildlife painting. Really top notch. She's a busy lady and her stuff is good enough that it takes her real time and effort to do, so I doubt she would be willing to do something for free or at charity prices. But her prices are extremely reasonable. Shoot me a PM if you want me to inquire of her and maybe hook you two up.

Re the poetry formatting, can't you change font sizes on the Kindle? If so, can't you specify to people in advance what font size they should use to see your poetry correctly? I'm thinking that could solve the problem so long as someone's vision is not so poor they need giant fonts. Maybe with a disclaimer up front or recommendation as to font size? Dunno, just seems like a reasonable possibility.