Editor then Agent, or Agent then Editor?

rosepetal720

Let the wild rumpus start!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 9, 2010
Messages
505
Reaction score
91
Location
A room of my own with a lock and a key
Website
teralynpilgrim.blogspot.com
I'm in the querying process, and I very much want an agent. However, my quest to find an agent has been discouraging. I read somewhere recently that an author should get accepted by a publisher first, and then try to contact an agent. They said an agent will rarely say no to someone who already has a book deal.

Is this good advice, or no?
 

KingM

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 4, 2007
Messages
726
Reaction score
133
Location
San Francisco
Website
youtu.be
The entire process can be discouraging for writers and I sympathize with your situation.

If you've tried the agent route, it doesn't hurt to submit directly, where possible. I'd exhaust your agent possibilities first, of course. If you do beat the odds and get an offer directly from an editor, you could then pick the agent who seemed closest and see if she would be interested in representing you now that you have an offer.

Remember, too, that you want an agent who you think will like the next book and not just the contract you have in hand.
 

BenPanced

THE BLUEBERRY QUEEN OF HADES (he/him)
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2006
Messages
18,014
Reaction score
5,094
Location
dunking doughnuts at Dunkin' Donuts
If you're having difficulty in attracting an agent to your project, you might not have much better luck going directly to a publisher.
 

suki

Opinionated
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Oct 4, 2008
Messages
4,010
Reaction score
4,825
If you have exhausted all possible agents...you may be able to get a publisher's attention, and then, if you have a offered contract from an advance paying pubisher, you may be able to get an agent to negotiate it (probably, a good bet, but will it be the agent you want? Not necessarily).

BUT, if you sub to editors first, you may never get your book in the hands of the right editor for that book. A knowledgable agent increases the chances of your connecting with the right editor exponentially. But once you shop it to more publishers yourself, you significantly decrease your chances of getting an agent, because they will not want to reshop an already well-shopped book. And at some publishing houses you only get one chance at submitting, so choosing the right editor is key.

SO, if you have seriously exhausted all possible agents, then sure, submit to publishers and see what happens. Maybe you'll get an offer, and then you should be in a better position to find an agent, since there is already an advance-paying deal on the table.

BUT, do not try shopping to publishers before you've exhausted your agent search, because you may find an agent who, when they find out you have shopped the manuscript to publishers, decides not to take you on.

~suki
 

rosepetal720

Let the wild rumpus start!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 9, 2010
Messages
505
Reaction score
91
Location
A room of my own with a lock and a key
Website
teralynpilgrim.blogspot.com
That makes sense. An agent would be able to sell my book better than I could. I've also heard it's a lot easier to get an agent than an editor. There's probably wrong with the query or the way I'm submitting it if agents aren't interested, and if an agent isn't interested, why would an editor be? Thanks for the advice.
 

Jamesaritchie

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 13, 2005
Messages
27,863
Reaction score
2,313
During the submission process, the advantage to having an agent is only that a good agent can place a manuscript directly on a top editor's desk. When you submit directly, you'll probably have to go trough an assistant first, if you can get there at all. Some few publishers simply will not look at anything that doesn't come from an agent.

Knowing which editor to send to is easy. You don't have to be an agent to figure this out. It's child's play. If you can't find the right editor to send the book to, you need to hone your research skills.

And contrary to popular belief, every agent does not know every editor out there. Many selling agents only know a tiny few, and once these are exhausted, they either stop submitting, or submit as blindly as a new writer. Agents are also notorious for not wanting to sell to publishers that don't offer large advances.

It is better to get an agent first, if you can, simply because a good agent can get your manuscript looked at by the top houses that simply will not look at anything that comes directly from writers. But once away from those particular publishers, a good book sells, whether submitted by an agent or a writer.

And, of course, problems landing an agent or a publisher may have nothing to do with the quality of the novel itself. A bad query letter kills even the best novel, and this is true with agents and with publishers. I believe a writer should always include the first three to five pages of the manuscript along with a query. Good first pages can make an agent or an editor request a manuscript, even if the query itself is ho-hum.

And some publishers, Tor, for example, want to look at the first three chapters, rather than a query. Baen wants the complete manuscript. This is a decided advantage for the writer. If you get rejected, at least you know it was the manuscript being judged, not just the query letter.

I always suggest trying to get an agent first, but there aren't very many really good agents out there in most genres, and if you can't land a good one, you're better off with no agent at all. I know some writers query hundreds of agents, and it's silly. I doubt any genre has more than two dozen or so really good agents. If you can't land one of these, or at least a very promising upstart agent who has worked for a larger agency and is now on her own, or sometimes a former acquisition editor turned agent, you're better off waiting until you can get one of these, rather than going with a mediocre or poor agent.

So once the top thirty or so agents have said no, I think it is a good idea to go directly to publishers. They can surprise you, and one of the biggest complaints many editor have is that too many agents just send them same old, same old, and won't take a chance on something new and different.
 

suki

Opinionated
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Oct 4, 2008
Messages
4,010
Reaction score
4,825
Has anyone here ever been accepted by an editor before a publisher?

I don't understand the question. Editors acquire books on behalf of the publishers who employ them. So....sure, lots of times an editor falls in love with a book, but they can't "acquire it" until they jump through whatever hoops of approval their employer requires (ie, editorial board approval, acquisitions committee approaval, more senior editor's approval, etc.). And some editors do have authority to acquire whatever they want on behalf of their employing publisher, but then the book would be acquired by the publisher on the editor's say so.

And there are independent freelance editors, who offer editorial services on a contract basis - but they don't "acquire" books. They only edit them for a fee.

So....maybe you want to rephrase the question?

~suki
 
Last edited:

Torgo

Formerly Phantom of Krankor.
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 7, 2005
Messages
7,632
Reaction score
1,204
Location
London, UK
Website
torgoblog.blogspot.com
Yeah.... I meant to say "editor before an agent." *hides head in shame.* So, has anyone here successfully got an editor before an agent?

Turning this round, I've acquired plenty of books from unagented debut authors and illustrators. It's really not that uncommon.