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I grew up with the tradition that sex has no place in Science Fiction writing, and it should not be in Fantasy especially "High Fantasy". I only agree with that some of the time.

What do you folks, purists and purile - ists alike think?
 

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I don't really agree with that. I think sex is like violence. It's something that people do, no matter what time period it is. People have been doing it since the dawn of time, and there's no reason to think that they wouldn't in the future.

An exception might be in a future where reproduction is restricted/legalized/banned, or have some other limitation. Maybe in the future humans are naturally sterile, and depend on specific machines to reproduce us.

Like all things, it depends on the context. If aliens or dragons are invading and the world is searching for a weapon to defeat them, and them bam! Gratuitous sex scene. That doesn't bode well. If the main characters have been in love for some time and you have a decent, brief passage about love-making I'm sure it could pass if done well.

But in general, no matter what the genre, sex (or any subject) could fit if there's a reason.
 

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I'm writing high fantasy right now and there's a ton of sex...of course, much of it is linked to cult activity and sex is one of the ways they show their, erm, devotion.

I think sex and erotica are different. The sex scenes in my WIP are not erotic or romantic--they're showing how evil some characters are. Later, when the (anti)hero and heroine get together, there will be a romantic love scene.

Sex is human, and I think if it's done well it can be put into any type of fiction.
 

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COrdelia's Honor by Bujold handled it well. (It's the first that came to mind.) Like Caitlin said, it is something people do. There is a line though b/w mentioning it and erotica, though.
 

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I think there has always been a range including yellowbacks of SF erotica. Even the classics had some nubiles and implied sex and a few included sex scenes as I recall.

For me the main issue is not to surprise the reader. Books with explicit sex in them should be marketed to mature readers and clear signals give as to wehther it is a little sex as the plot requires or a full blown orgy-a-tron.

Otherwise the 'no sex please we're sf geeks' rule should go the way of other limitations--more diversity means more readers. (And less of me throwing books out the window because they are yet another steeenking pile of misogynist pseudoscience).
 

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Sex should be treated the same regardless of genre - if it's relevant to the plot, put it in. If it's just for the hell of it, leave it out.
 

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Clarification:

A suggestion came from a non AW reader that "Your boooks would sell if you put a lot more sex in them."

Any story with people in it is bound to have sex somewhere. After all, the people got there somehow. However, when Jane and Dick are runnning from aliens, it does not make sense.


Quote:""No Sex in Science Fiction" hasn't been the rule since Bug Jack Barron (and the complete works of Philip Jose Farmer)." Unquote.

Am I really that old?
 

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Sex

How much sex, and how blatant the sex, depends on the writer and the audience, rather than the genre.

Now, personally, too much sex in a novel bothers me becuase it can too easily interfere with the story. Except when it's really well done and a necessary part of the story. Real people generally take a crap every day, too, but I'd rather that be off stage, as well, unless the writer can convince me the story must have it.

Again personally, I've tried to read more than a few modern books that were labelled "erotica," and I've yet to find one that had any distinction at all from porn that I could see. On the other hand, I find some of the more classic erotica extremely well written.

But now and then I'll pick up a novel with pretty graphic sex, and it all works together, it's all part of a seamless whole, and the read is great.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to include sex because you think it will make the novel sell better. Odds are you'll write a novel that won't sell at all. Whatever teh genre, the right way to write a novel is to tell the best story you can tell, and fill it with the best characters you can create, and let the story take its natural course. If this means sex, it should always be because you want it there, and because the story demands it, and never, ever because you have the thought "You know, if I put a steamy sex scene in right about here, more people will buy the novel."
 

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Personally, I get very uncomfortable reading about other people's sex lives in print. Feels voyeuristic or something. I'm a fan of the "implied" kind of stuff, but then that's only my view, and I suppose that has nothing to do with anything. :)

As far as sex in the genre, I agree that if it has anything to do with the plot, go with it. If it's sex for the sake of sex, then yuck. Anything for the sake of it is yuck to me, whether it's narration or conversation, or whatever. I skip it. Blah, blah, blah, get to the action again.

I also think that sexual tension is a terrific motivator to keep readers reading. To me, that means any break in the tension should come as late as possible in the story. Oh, how many tv series lost all kinds of ratings once the angsty-filled longing for one another was quenched.
 

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I like what you said about sexual tension, Jackie.

Anyway, I agree with the general consensus. Sex, like any other part of a story, should be germaine. Gratuitous anything in fiction should be cut. To paraphrase James A., everybody knows the Queen takes a dump every now and then, but unless someone planted a bomb in her toilet, I don't need to know the details.
 

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GabeWhite said:
What's wrong with being gratuitous?

Nothing at all, I suppose. I write gratuitous stuff all the time. But I write it for me, then cut it. Why leave anything in the book that will derail the reader? If it doesn't advance the plot or the theme, keeping it in will weaken the book... just my opinion, of course. :)
 

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From Dictionary.com....
Unnecessary or unwarranted; unjustified: gratuitous criticism.
If something you've written can be defined as such, then it really doesn't need to be in there, does it? Like trebuchet said, it can derail the reader. The reader expects every word to mean something.

Thing is, we can come up with many justifications for the things we write. To set a mood or tone, to elicit a laugh, even choosing one word over another that means the same because the number of syllables imparts a rythmic quality to a sentence that is absent when the other is used.

As long as it has a purpose for being there, it's not gratuitous.
 

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"What are you looking at?" she husked, then shifted her legs.

Damn her allure! And damn her age! He leaned her down onto the mat and brought his lips to hers. She blew a hot, sultry breath across his cheek. He found her neck and snuggled his face in it. They kissed passionately for a long while, and he felt her hands exploring him. He fumbled with her cooling britches, and they gave way to splay apart, leaving her open and inviting.

He chanced a glance down and saw a pelvis that looked like a satin vice. He’d been right about her build all along. She was so fit and lovely it only made him feel like a thin-haired cherub that had no right to take in all the calories of this girlish piece of candy.

“Oh, Zaz, whatever took you so long,” she whispered.

Stupidity. That is what took him so long, he thought, as he ran his hands down her thighs. He wondered if it was true what they said about petite women, then decided he was fast approaching that trail’s end and would find out. He only hoped he didn’t bend or break something on that inviting fortress of pleasure. There was no need; his fingers found her hot and buttery.

His wrist com buzzed. He ignored it.

It went to screecher alarm; that was an emergency.

He caught his breath and answered, “What is it?”

“We have an urgent matter that needs attendance.” It was Samantha.

“Yeah, well right now so do I. What’s up?”

“We have some intruders in the compound.”

This is about as far as I ever let sex go in a science fiction story. I guess I take after Heinlein and Anderson--give em' a tease--bring em' right to brink, then snatch it away. I use a lot of inuendo and deliberate tease between the characters that gets maddening for the reader, but it's a great hook. WHEN IS THE AUTHOR EVER GOING TO LET THESE TWO SPANK THE MEAT?
Author: never

Tri
 

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There's more than one way to put sex in a novel. While putting explicit sex scenes in them is what first comes to mind, there's also showing your characters expressing sexual desires. For example, you won't find any explicit sex in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. But you will find Sam thinking about how he wants to get back to the Shire and settle down with Rose, Arwin's love for Aragorn, and many other romantic subplots and romantically involved characters.

While a story with characters who all have absolutely no sexual interest would only make sense if they are androids or parthenogenic, whether you have any need to show sex scenes depends on their importance to the plot, and how well you can write them.
 

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The best full blown sex scenes in any book were done, imho, by Jean M. Auel. Not sci-fi, but I think genre is a moot point. She was gentle, inventive, and one of the few books that didn't make me feel like a voyeur (I second you JackieG).
The worst, again imho, was Laurell K. Hamilton. Her's were very uncharacter like. Some of her books were full of great plots, interesting characters, and masterful sexual tension. Her last few were filled with sex...more sex...sex...and somewhere near the end was what can only be described as an attempt at a plot.
That is when I can't stand it. Plot shouldn't play second to anything, especially something like sex.
 

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I look at it this way... the many Sci-Fi movie i've seen there is no sex...However that doesn't mean it can't be written. After all you are the writer, you control what stays and what goes...
 

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I was going to say Kilgore Trout (b. 1907), because of the lurid covers. But surprisingly, he wrote only one book with erotic content, and that one wasn’t SF.

Now don’t tell me he wasn’t real. Don’t do it!
 

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I've read plenty of books, both science fiction and fantasy, with sex in them. If it suits the story, write it!
 

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Back to the gratuitous thing for a second... It's kind of self defeating to use the dictionary definition -- when BEING "Unnecessary or unwarranted; unjustified" is, in fact, the whole point... Sex for the sake of sex. Gore for the sake of gore.

Like that quote from Jackie Brown:

Sam Jackson: "You have to stop smoking so much pot. It'll kill your ambition."

Bridget Fonda: "Not if my ambition is to smoke a lot of pot."

(or something like that)

So. Is there really a good reason not to be gratuitous in your writing? Why not let it all hang out? I mean, if it's well written, and entertaining, and your point is still getting across... Shouldn't we put it all down and go for broke? Self-censorship, in my mind, leads to nothing but bland watered down fiction. Sexually. Politically. Socially...


-Gabe
 

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GabeWhite said:
Is there really a good reason not to be gratuitous in your writing?
Depends. If your reader stops reading because of your gratuitousness, then that's prolly a good reason not to have it in your work.
Self-censorship, in my mind, leads to nothing but bland watered down fiction. Sexually. Politically. Socially...
The flip-side of that, of course, is that lack of self-censorship leads to bloated, self-indulgent, and dull fiction. :)
 
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