What’s the difference between silly and funny?

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I’m writing a romantic women’s fiction novel that is mostly serious but with a few light touches.

I think I have a problem differentiating between what is silly and funny.

For example, I’ve pasted below the first dialogue between my hero and heroine in which they’re outright flirting. Takes place soon after they meet.

I tried to make it sound amusing and lighthearted but I fear instead it just sounds silly and unreal.

Please give your honest opinion of how good or bad it is. Can it be improved or salvaged or should I rewrite the whole thing to be more serious?

Thanks for any feedback. Please be brutal.

So here it is:


"I run a lingerie boutique," she said, trying to elicit a career confession in exchange.

"I know. Nikki's Nifty Knickers, right?"

"Nikki's Naughty Nighties," she corrected. “You’ve no idea how many immature men think they’re being hilarious when they make fun of my business. It gets old.”

“Well, you can’t really blame them. It’s too good to resist. Almost as inviting as your Nikki's Tempting Teddies and Nikki's Thrilling Thongs."

“You’re familiar with my lingerie lines? I’d never have guessed.”

"Sure. Your lingerie has often been a godsend to me."

“I’m sure the Kinky Corsets and Peekaboo Panties look great on you.” She had a sudden disturbing image of him in underwear. Male underwear, of course. Perhaps she should start a new line for men.

"I had a girlfriend who was a huge fan. Have you considered starting a line of edible Tasty Teddies? Men would eat that up."

"There's a thought. So you live in L.A. too?

"I do. I recommended your shop to all my friends looking for presents to buy their girlfriends. Of course gifting a woman lingerie is really a present to oneself."

Did men who were on a spiritual quest usually talk like that, Nikki wondered, and to a virtual stranger?

It was time to remind him that his mind should be on a higher plane. "So how's your search going?"

His amused expression vanished and he looked guarded. "Search?"

"The search for something beyond, something that transcends underwear and sex."

She immediately regretted mentioning. As if he needed any encouragement.

"There is nothing higher than sex," he assured her, the amused note back in his voice.

"For someone who came to India seeking spirituality, you don't seem to have made much progress."

"Hey, spirituality and sex aren't mutually exclusive. Haven't you read the Kama Sutra?"

"No."

"Seriously?"

"When I was a kid, my father considered it a dirty book. When I hit my teens, I suspected it wouldn't be dirty enough for my tastes. By the time I was an adult, I decided doing was better than reading.”

"You don't know what you're missing. It helps you do so much better."

“I’ve had no complaints so far.”

“I’ll bet you haven’t. A man would be lucky to have you in his…sights.”

"A man would be lucky to have me anywhere within a five-mile radius. But I have to unpack now, so if you'll excuse me..." Nikki shrugged what she hoped was a dismissive shoulder and beat what she hoped was a dignified retreat.
 

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I can point you to an example of writing I've found recently which is exactly as you're describing - sexually charged and funny but not silly. The writer's name is Kayla Perrin and the book is called Getting Even. (I have no connection to the author btw, I just really enjoyed reading the book). There's a particular scene which takes place inside an adult toy store. The sexually-charged inner dialogue the character has with herself in that scene is dead-on funny without devolving into silliness. I highly recommend checking it out.
 
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Just my definitions, but silly is a subset of funny. Silly is something that is nonsensical, while other things such as satire, understatement, etc. are funny without being silly. The Three Stooges were silly; sight gags and physical humor with little cranial engagement. Calvin and Hobbes was funny and although silly at times (the snowmen kill me) it was also funny in a more cranial way.
 

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Thanks, Chris and Julie. So I suppose what I wrote would be considered silly rather than funny?
 

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I thought your dialogue was fine. Not really 'lol funny', but cute, which seemed to be what you were going for.

I have no idea what the difference between 'silly' and 'funny' is and I write funny stuff frequently. Maybe it's a matter of opinion? The stuff Chris P mentioned as being silly I just find stupid, so . . . welcome to the world of humor, where one person's belly laugh is another person's eye roll. :D
 

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I think your banter between the MCs is cute, and I didn't find it silly. IMO, what you're missing from the scene is context, and the character's inner thoughts and reactions to what each of them is saying.

Examples:
"I run a lingerie boutique," she said, trying to elicit a career confession in exchange.

You might instead do something like, "I run a lingerie boutique," she said with a smile, and waited for it. It seemed no man on the face of the Earth could resist a "witty" repsonse to such a revelation.


“I’m sure the Kinky Corsets and Peekaboo Panties look great on you.” She had a sudden disturbing image of him in underwear. Male underwear, of course. Perhaps she should start a new line for men.

Maybe follow this line up with a smile or a chuckle, so the reader knows immediately that she's not serious.


Obviously, this is my own opinion, but I hope it helps.
 

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Thanks, everyone. Ambri, yes some inner thoughts etc would probably make it sound less talking heads.

Perhaps the real problem is that the story is serious overall. Perhaps this kind of dialogue doesn’t fit in a story that is otherwise fairly serious in tone.
 

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It doesn't come across as silly or unreal, nor particularly funny to me, just light-hearted as you suggested. The only other point to note is that it's a touch baggy in places. I've suggested a couple of example edits below just to tighten it slightly, and you could probably tighten it further still.

"I run a lingerie boutique," she said, trying to elicit a career confession in exchange.

"I know. Nikki's Nifty Knickers, right?"

"Nikki's Naughty Nighties," she corrected. “You’ve no idea how many immature men think they’re being hilarious when they make fun of my business. It gets old.

Well, you can’t really blame them. It’s too good to resist, like. Almost as inviting as your Nikki's Tempting Teddies and Nikki's Thrilling Thongs."

“You’re familiar with my lingerie lines? I’d never have guessed.

"Sure. Your lingerie has often been a godsend to me."

“I’m sure the Kinky Corsets and Peekaboo Panties look great on you.” She had a sudden disturbing image of him in underwear. Male underwear, of course. Perhaps she should start a new line for men.

"I had a girlfriend who was a huge fan. Have you considered starting a line of edible Tasty Teddies? Men would eat that up."

"There's a thought. So you live in L.A. too?

"I do. I recommended your shop to all my friends looking for presents to buy their girlfriends. Of course gifting a woman lingerie is really a present to oneself."

Did men who were on a spiritual quest usually talk like that, Nikki wondered, and to a virtual stranger? It was time to remind him that his mind should be on a higher plane. "So how's your search going?"

His amused expression vanished and he looked guarded. "Search?"

"The search for something beyond, something that transcends underwear and sex."

She immediately regretted mentioning. As if he needed any encouragement.

"There is nothing higher than sex," he assured her, the amused note back in his voice.

"For someone who came to India seeking spirituality, you don't seem to have made much progress."

"Hey, spirituality and sex aren't mutually exclusive. Haven't you read the Kama Sutra?"

"No."

"Seriously?"

"When I was a kid, my father considered it a dirty book. When I hit my teens, I suspected it wouldn't be dirty enough for my tastes. By the time I was an adult, I decided doing was better than reading.”

"You don't know what you're missing. It helps you do so much better."

“I’ve had no complaints so far.”

I’ll bet you haven’t.Any man would be lucky to have you in his…sights.”

"Any man would be lucky to have me anywhere within a five-mile radius. But I have to unpack now, so if you'll excuse me..." Nikki shrugged what she hoped was a dismissive shoulder and beat what she hoped was a dignified retreat.
Only suggestions, mind, so feel free to ignore, but even then it's still a little straight, very much he-said-this-then-she-said-that-in-response. But not silly at all, IMHO.
 

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Thanks, everyone. Ambri, yes some inner thoughts etc would probably make it sound less talking heads.

Perhaps the real problem is that the story is serious overall. Perhaps this kind of dialogue doesn’t fit in a story that is otherwise fairly serious in tone.

I wouldn't say that's the case - unless you've had someone read it and say it's jarring. But there's nothing wrong with snappy banter in an otherwise serious story. It can add a bit of variety to the characters's interactions. Having a serious story doesn't mean nobody can ever crack a joke or be witty.

That said in the past I've cut things that I really liked but were too funny for that moment and/or that character, and it's painful to do so (I save those bits and try to find another home for them.) Be guided by the feel of it in context. Does it feel jarring and unnatural in this particular scene?
 

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Rob, those are some good edits. Gives me ideas on how to cut some things down.

Junkfoodmonkey, one person who read it did say it was silly and didn’t fit the serious tone of the novel. The others haven’t read the other chapters, so they can’t really judge whether it fits or not.

I tried another tack. I removed much of the “Silly humor.” Here's the revised scene between my hero and heroine, their first one-on-one conversation. Does it read better than the humorous one where he was teasing her about her lingerie?

"I run a lingerie boutique," she said, trying to elicit a career confession in exchange.

"Tara told me.” Rick grinned. “I think she was shocked at some of the merchandise she saw on your website."

“Yikes.” Nikki had a sudden vision of Tara staring at the pictures of Nikki’s Kinky Corsets and Nikki’s Peekaboo Panties. “So now I suppose she considers me depraved?”

“All Indians consider all westerners depraved. But I think Tara likes making friends with the depraved. Makes her feel daring. Don’t suppose she has much chance to be daring, with that mother of hers.”

“Mother! Oh hell, do you think my mother saw them too?”

“What if she did?” said Rick. “You shouldn’t be ashamed of what you do.”

Nikki lifted her chin. “I’m not. It just puts me in a bad light--in her eyes, I mean--right off the bat."

"Made a good impression on me."

"You've been to my site?"

"After Tara mentioned it to me." Rick smiled as if remembering something pleasant. "Made me wish I had my old girlfriend back. She looked hotter than a Victoria’s Secret model in stuff like that."

Nikki caught herself feeling jealous, which was absurd. Rick meant nothing to her, so why should she react? She wondered if that was his aim, to get a reaction. Not necessarily evoking jealousy, but maybe insecurity. When a man talks admiringly about his girlfriend, past or present, it usually isn't flattering to present company. Rick was obviously intelligent, and intelligent men could play some subtle games. She decided to change the subject. "So how's your search going?"

Rick's amused expression vanished and he looked guarded. "Search?"

"The search for something beyond, something that transcends underwear and sex."

She immediately regretted mentioning sex. He hadn't. He had only implied it, and it wasn't connected to her.

"There is nothing higher than sex," he assured her, the amused note back in his voice.

"For someone who came to India seeking spirituality, you don't seem to have made much progress."

"Hey, spirituality and sex aren't mutually exclusive. India has produced some pretty randy gurus."

"You need to come to India to land in the gutter?"

"Sex doesn't necessarily live in the gutter."

"Those gurus do."

"Touche. What I meant was that sex is part of life, and spirituality encompasses all of life."

This sounded more like spirituality speak, thought Nikki. Maybe Rick was for real, but she wasn't ready to consider that a fact. Not yet.
 
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