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My first book is coming out in ebook, small publisher, then paperback. How do I get it reviewed and publicized before the paperback is out. I am new to this and my publisher is in the UK. This is a small reputable publisher with many hints but I am still clueless Aloha Maya
 

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It's the publisher's responsibility to get the primary reviews. You can make some suggestions they might not know about, though, but it's still up to them to make the first move.
 

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Thank you Ben, but since the publisher is in the UK, with limited staff etc, how can I publicize my book coming out in ebook. And is this normal, ebook, then trade paperback Thanks
 

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There's nothing wrong with looking for review sites that review ebooks and submit your story to them. Just don't duplicate places your publisher will already be sending your book, assuming they are going to. My contracts have all spelled out exactly what my publisher will be doing as far as securing reviews; double check yours.

Marketing is marketing...participate in guest blogs, do blog tours with fellow authors, offer a contest perhaps. (Your profile here doesn't have your web site address--please tell me you have one! You could be promo'ing your book in the signature line of your posts like many do.)

If you're going to promo on social sites, remember to be social first, promote second.

Good luck!
 

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I don't have a website yet, am not on facebook but I plan to do all those things. I am here for social and professional reasons first for real. I really wanted to know how ebooks differs from the paperback besides the obvious.
My publisher tells me that they do marketing in Europe and the US but I have to sell myself and he gave me ideas. My real big question -How does putting a book in ebook form sell the book when it comes out in paperback. My publisher does this to all his books. You come out in ebook, have people connect to his site and other fine bookstores etc, then months later you come out in paperback. I am a newbie so I don't understand this yet. If anyone knows how an ebook can garner interest in a trade paperback version. please let me know
Aloha Maya
 
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Generally people who want ebooks buy ebooks, people who want paperback want paperback, and people who don't care buy whatever come out first.

If you were giving the ebook away it would be about selling the paperback.

But if you are selling the ebook the ebook is a product, not a promotional tool for something else. You need to sell the ebook, as an ebook, to people who buy ebooks in your genre. Which means working out who these people are and what kind of online presence will reach them.
 
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oh Oh, my book is coming out in ebook first, then trade paperbook. Is it doomed? My pub says this is the best way to sell right now and eventually because of lack of space, and the fragile enviroment, ebooks will rule one day. I am old school and I can't wait to feel and touch my first book. so it's all so confusing. Maya
 

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Thank you so much veinglory, I was confused about that. I have my genre picked out and have been with them while writing the book and they are asking me when the book comes out, but I if I give anything away, I have to ask my pub right? My pub is telling me to direct the ebook buyers to his website and other "fine book sellers" so can I do anything to promote? This is all so new to me so thanks everyone Aloha from the beautiful state of mind of Hawaii Maya
 

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General you will have a specific number of ebooks that you can give away in contests and so forth. the publisher will submit to some review sites, you should submit to some others that are right in your genre area. It is a good idea to have a blog with supporting material for the book and other stuff to draw traffic. That's for starters anyway :)
 

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stupid question. but how do you give away ebooks for review or contests? How do you set up a download, on a website, blog, facebook? Thanks from a newbie
 

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Usually, you send them the copy by PDF. I've won quite a few ebooks in contests and have always had a PDF sent to me in my desired format. When I give someone a copy, I usually contact my review coordinator and have her send the copy. She knows what she is doing and it helps me keep up with how many copies I have given away.
 

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oh Oh, my book is coming out in ebook first, then trade paperbook. Is it doomed? My pub says this is the best way to sell right now and eventually because of lack of space, and the fragile enviroment, ebooks will rule one day. I am old school and I can't wait to feel and touch my first book. so it's all so confusing. Maya

I think you might need to slow down and do some research. What might happen 'one day' isn't really important, you are promoting your book now. You are starting with an ebook. Ebooks general do not make huge sales unless they are romance, self-help or famous. But you can still make respectable sales of you think hard about who willw ant your book in ebook form, and how to reach them.

Also you need to think about the paperback well in advance of its release. Major reviewers will want an advance reading copy a least three month before the book is released.
 

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How can you promote an ebook

My book is coming out in ebook first. If I was doing publicity, how do you promote an ebook. Do you want as much publicity as possible or wait for the paperback to come out? Sorry if this was asked already, I couldn't find the exact thread. Thanks
 

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Here's my opinion on this, having been there and done that.

1. Reading groups in the social networks such as Facebook and MySpace are a great place for an advert, providing one of the following:
(a) You are already a participating member of that group
(b) The group policies encourage promos

Your advert should include, if possible, your jacket blurb, a cover shot, and a very short excerpt (less than a page). If the forum has a separate bulletin area like MySpace, post there instead.

2. Writing groups are not a good place to promo - especially if you are not a regularly contributing member. The only exception is if you are a regular, and the group's policies tolerate such promo.

3. You do have your author's website up, yes? It should contain the cover, blurb, back page blurb, and a complete first chapter. The web page should be part of any electronic signature such as email and forums (if allowed there). Business cards help to.

4. SF conventions/conferences. Get on a panel.

5. Reviews. Good luck there, but if you can get one from a blog, or be a guest on a blog - do it.

What not to do is just as important. Do not spam forums and groups whose policies frown on promo or are not reader forums for what you are selling.

Good luck!

Kerry
 

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If your book is coming out for the Kindle, consider buying (or asking your publisher to buy) a sponsorship in the Kindle Nation Daily coinciding with the ebook release.

If you're not already a member of Goodreads.com, check it out. Make friends, join in discussions about fiction and make sure other people know who you are. They might be interested in reading your book when it comes out.

Consider doing an Early Reviewer giveaway at LibraryThing.com. People will sign up to get books they're interested in before the books are released, then review them. Ebooks are allowed.

Good luck!
 

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I don't even have a facebook account. I am only active here and on my niches mental health website. I just picked out a cover. Is the cover used in an ebook? stupid question. They are using kindle. I just turned 60 yesterday and though I am computer savy about certain things. the social media part is not one of them. Should I open facebook while my ebook is still in production?
 

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You have asked this several times before. Did you miss the reply to those posts, or not like the replies? You ebooks is a product. You need to promote it as a product. You need to have a website. You need to get reviews. You need to use social networking. You need to use forums. You need to identify your readership and you need to research how to reach them. You need to estimate your earnings and you need to decide what proportion to spend on paid advertsing (possibly none). The website is needed right now, so it will appear in Google search after the book is released. It takes time to get a page rank over zero--it will take less time if you publisher links to your website (assume their site has a pagerank over 3, which as an epublisher they should).

You need to know what your publisher will be doing. You need to know whether they will give you book a cover, whether they well send out review copies, whether they will give you copies to use a contest prizes, whether the book will have a website and all the places it will be available for sale including vendors, whether they have a facebook and twitter account and will post/retweet your efforts. You need to know the exact release date. It is not impolite to send a polite list of these requests to your editor or the publishers marketing staff member. your promotion enhances theirs and vice versa so it needs to be coordinated.

And you need to bookmark this thread so we don't have to start all over again.
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188532
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5239982#post5239982
 
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I am not stupid. I know what I asked for and what I undestand and do not understand.
I was told all that would a be coordinated when I send in the final manuscript which I have not done yet. I had to pick an illustration or photo for the cover, which I have already done. I also had to get permission to use quotes for my book, which I have already done. This required signing a contract with the publisher of the book I am using. After the editing, comes the timeline for the publishing. They give the book a general cover, I pick the photo, or illustration or artwork. I am doing what I can now to learn about ebooks. I know a lot of the above. What I don't know is how to do promotion for an ebook versus a trade paperback. I am far away in Hawaii, and my publisher is in the UK, a world away. I plan to do my own promotion in the states, and they will do the promoting there and selling to venders all over. I plan to travel to fairs, libraries etc to promote my book. I also am working on getting reveiw copies to certain public figures whom I've contacted and whom have agreed to read my book.
I am not here to be berated but to learn and only ask for the same respect that I am giving everyone here. Aloha Maya
 

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I think the first thing you need to do is find out what your publisher will be doing to promote the book in detail, get them to break it down for you. Then you can fill any gaps the best way possible. I would not do anything until you know that much.
 

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I never said you were stupid. I asked why you posted about this for a third time and suggested that you bookmark this thread to avoid doing it again. Finding your old thread rather than repeating it is a sign of respect for people who are trying to help you.

I also gave you a lot of advice based on my ten years experience releasing and promoting 15 different ebooks. If you would like to me expand on any of those points, just ask.
 

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Mayaone: this is the third thread you have started on this subject, and each time you've been given very good advice. Which you seem to have chosen to ignore.

You have also been given a lot of very good advice in the thread about your publisher, Chipmunka Publishing, which is in Bewares, Recommendations and Background Checks, which you have also chosen to ignore.

You can't just ignore this advice just because you don't like it. It's good, strong, honest advice and if you don't pay attention to it you're very likely to be very badly hurt in the long run. Please take note of it. And please don't be so snippy with Veinglory: she has taken time out of her very busy life to help you; she really knows her stuff, and frankly it's embarassing that you can't recognise how much she's given you.

Finally, stop starting multiple threads about the same issue. It's irritating, selfish, and pointless. I'm going to merge all three of your threads here into one; and if you start another on the same subject, I'll lock it.

OK, girls and boys, hold onto your hats while I knit these threads together. It might be a rough ride, I've never done this before. Wish me luck.
 
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I am not trying to be selfish. I didn't understand the explanations. I am trying to read everything and take it in but for some people it is hard to understand technology. Assuming I am selfish, for not understanding answers or that I did not listen to the bewares of my publisher is not correct. I did take that in, appreciate it and hope my book does well despite the publisher. If not, I will be wiser with my next book. I am a sensitive person and all this is keeping me up at night. So, I thank you for all the above help that I will re read and try not to duplicate. Me ke aloha Maya
 

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If you want something explained more, just ask. Personally I would suggest starting a blog. It is free and you can use it as you online 'home base'. If you go to Blogger.com it is easy to start one by following the instructions. And a lot of people here know how to use blogger. Then you can start posting about your upcoming book and whay inspired you to write it.
 

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Thanks, I will try that as a first step
 
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