Would teens go for an optimistic, joyful lead?

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With my first completed novel now being sold, and after some initial work done on the sequel so if this novel sells the sequel won't take long to produce, I have a pre-Nano project that is very different, including a very . . . strange heroine by YA standards.

She's happy, optimistic, gentle, and, most damningly, is a morning person. XD

Part of this stems because she has an ability to heal most illnesses and injuries, even crippling or terminal ones. She saves people's lives and loves doing it, she takes joy in a wheelchair-bound boy regaining the use of his legs early in the novel, for example. But it does come at a cost, doing so weakens her and makes her more suspectible to diseases and injuries herself, and she cannot heal herself, so if she gets hurt, she stays hurt until she recovers naturally. But she takes it all in stride, and regularly dotes on her little sister and as her parents are often absent she basically raises the girl by herself.

She would be victimized at high school big time, though, if she didn't have friends who basically have full-time jobs keeping her from ugly fates on a daily basis (this is played for laughs at first, and then becomes all too serious halfway through). Not surprisingly, she is naive and very trusting.

Probably not surprisingly too, she is completely broken mentally halfway through and suffers from severe depression for the rest of the novel. Basically (but not 100% accurately), it switches from a sunshine-y 35,000 word journal to a 35,000-word suicide note.

Can a YA audience follow and identify with such a character, especially from a first person perspective, or is it impossible?
 
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The MC in my WIP is happy and optimistic.

It all comes down to this: If you write it well, teens and editors will enjoy it. End of story.
 

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That would be a nice refreshing change. I planned on writing a story with an optimistic main character. I didn't think it would be a problem, and I still don't think it'll be a problem--so long as it's written well and is interesting.
 

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The problem with that character is that she comes off as well-adjusted, happy, and a saint of a person. Unless she has realistic flaws to balance off being able to heal people and thinking the world is sunshine and rainbows, I won't stick with that kind of innocence0and-love personified character for very long.

And if some do reach the middle of the novel, they'll probably be shocked, horrified, and upset by her becoming depressed. So changing the tone like that will really put readers off.

Can you pull it off by writing her as a complex person and foreshadowing the changes that will take place and then create a compelling book? Yes. But it'll probably be very difficult.
 

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Well, your book still sounds rather depressing, despite the character being joyful and positive at first.

I think as long as there's a good hook the reader will not mind the character's personality, as long as it fits for what the book is setting out to do.
With that said, I wouldn't mind a more optimistic protagonist once in a while. Most of late have seemed pretty brooding. I don't think an optimistic main character would automatically erase all the conflict of the story.
 

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I don't see why not, as long as there's a compelling plot to put her in. Stories are inherently about someone struggling with something, so she'd have to have some kind of conflict going on somewhere.
 

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Of course, it does make it a bit predictable though. If you give us a joyful lead, we'll be expecting that joy to go down. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.
 

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Well, I'm trying to use her saintly behavior as a flaw. She has no idea what to do when she gets in trouble. She trusts people far too much, and she gets burned as a result. I'm still debating how optimistic to make her initially and how depressed she becomes later.

The other conflict, that I'm iffy on writing down (and didn't write down initially) because it spoils quite a bit, is that she was adopted from a Russian orphanage (and, incidentally, has a Russian first name). The reason why she has her powers is because of illegal experimentation upon her, memories of which she has repressed. So as she remembers more, the more depressed and fearful she becomes. This is magnified when the Russian Spetnaz start coming after her, and the family and friends that she's relied on for so long are helpless to protect her.

Another thing to note is that I don't outline. I always wind up ignoring the outline, which means fixing the outline, and then I ignore the new outline, and so I have to write another outline. It's a vicious cycle. That's why I write in loose storyboards, they are far more flexible, and a lot quicker to modify when I have new ideas. So what I'm revealing here may or may not be in the first draft, much less the final product.
 
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Then it sounds to me like you have enough conflict to write her as an optimistic character. It doesn't sound like her life is easy or anything like that at all. It just sounds like her perspective of the world may not necessarily be as realistic as it needs to be, which I think is great. That is an interesting flaw to have. Anyway, the story sounds interesting. As for your last paragraph, I go through the same thing, which is why I've quit outlining altogether.

Good luck.
 

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Well, I'm trying to use her saintly behavior as a flaw. She has no idea what to do when she gets in trouble. She trusts people far too much, and she gets burned as a result. I'm still debating how optimistic to make her initially and how depressed she becomes later.

The other conflict, that I'm iffy on writing down (and didn't write down initially) because it spoils quite a bit, is that she was adopted from a Russian orphanage (and, incidentally, has a Russian first name). The reason why she has her powers is because of illegal experimentation upon her, memories of which she has repressed. So as she remembers more, the more depressed and fearful she becomes. This is magnified when the Russian Spetnaz start coming after her, and the family and friends that she's relied on for so long are helpless to protect her.

Another thing to note is that I don't outline. I always wind up ignoring the outline, which means fixing the outline, and then I ignore the new outline, and so I have to write another outline. It's a vicious cycle. That's why I write in loose storyboards, they are far more flexible, and a lot quicker to modify when I have new ideas. So what I'm revealing here may or may not be in the first draft, much less the final product.

for an MC

Optimistic yes

Naive no

Capable yes

Helpless no

teens want inspirational characters who resolve issues in their lives, (whether they're pess. opti, angry, sad, ect) - you know, fantasy.
 

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for an MC

Optimistic yes

Naive no

Capable yes

Helpless no

teens want inspirational characters who resolve issues in their lives, (whether they're pess. opti, angry, sad, ect) - you know, fantasy.

What's wrong with a character being naive at first? Just curious. I know teens don't want to read about a helpless heroine (and my MC isn't helpless, no human science experiments are when they grow up in fiction), but I don't understand the "naive" part, especially as it's a starting point for character development (the MC gradually will lose the naivete part of her personality).
 

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Your MC doesn't have to be angsty or depressing to be compelling. As long as she has flaws, challenges that she faces, obstacles in her path (self-induced and otherwise), people will want to route for her.

Honestly, I'm not really big on the "joyless, serious heroine" trend.
 

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Naive is a problem if it comes across as stupid (meaning the character doesn't seem to have any common sense) because then the reader tends to assume you either think they're stupid (so that they won't realize how stupid the character is acting) or that you're stupid (which is why you wrote such a stupid character). In reality of course naive doesn't always mean stupid, but I think it's hard to get that across on the printed page. If you can, then more power to you. As to happy heroines in general, the only reason I think unhappy heroines are the common state is because stories are inherently about problems and usually problems don't make us jump up and sing songs. And because teenagers often are angsty, but they don't have to be. Again, it's all in your approach. If you can have a happy heroine who still has an interesting problem, I'd assume you're fine.
 

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@Roly: Thank you for your opinion. I'm tired of the joyless heroine as well (though I wound up writing a heroine pretty close to that XD).

One thing I will say: after reading everyone's input, I think I will change the format of the novel from the journal-like entries that I was planning to more of a memoir, where an older version of the MC looks back on her story, and her more naive, joyful side. I think that will make the innocent, optimistic version of the MC more tolerable if it is told through the lenses of an older teenager who's realized the reality of her situation and the world.

And, just FTR, the MC can destroy a person just like healing them. That's how she can defend herself. She can make brain tumors as well as heal them, she can make a heart stop just like she can make one restart, and she can make you allergic to peanut butter even if you're not. She can kill or injure using her abilities.

EDIT: Wow, virtue, that is great insight there. That pretty much solidifies that I'm going to have to go to the memoir approach. I was thinking of making this a more experimental work, but considering that I'm trying to sell myself I think that in order for the naivete to seem less idiotic, it has to be seen through older, wiser eyes.
 
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I dunno what angle you're shooting for in your final project: whether you want the ending to reflect a sort of 'loss of innocence' that shows the bleakness of the world, or whether you want to end with hope.

From what you've written it sounds like you want to have you character's faults be her naivete and trust in others. This sounds great and stems naturally from her strengths as well. Then you want her to transform to become more realistic due to loss/betrayal?

An interesting angle, [imo], would be to have her make repeated mistakes in trust etc, only to retain her optimism despite these setbacks. To me, watching someone struggle through a tough situation, attempting to have faith in the world, is potentially a lot more heartbreaking/real than someone who spirals into angst.

But overall-yes an optimistic protagonist can be done and would be quite refreshing, if done well.
 

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Nothing wrong with your character, so long as she's not portrayed as perfect. Being happy and being perfect are two different things. People have crappy days, and crappy things happen to them. But they generally retain an upbeat attitude. I have a friend like that. He's flawed and shit happens, but he always sees the funny side of things and take everything as they come, and people love him. So, yeah, your character is just fine. Frankly, it would be nice to read a book with your character for a change
 
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