What would you kill for?

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okay, first off, this isn't a sadomasochistic question...if you've done something... :s the rest of us, don't need to know lol BUT what I am curious about is, what would push you over the edge - given the exception of course that you had that part in you?

would it be a cheating spouse? An unfair employer? A friend that betrayed you for your work? self-defense? revenge for harm to a relative or friend?....what?

just curious...it might help me with a portion of a new novel I'm drafting, and the results of this thread might help some others of you out there too that aren't killers by nature but need a motive. heee heee
 
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If someone hurt someone I love I could certainly see myself losing my temper and killing them. Depending on what they do to them I could see myself doing it with a calm head.
 

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I would kill to protect my children or my husband.
 

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okay, first off, this isn't a sadomasochistic question...if you've done something... :s the rest of us, don't need to know lol BUT what I am curious about is, what would push you over the edge - given the exception of course that you had that part in you?

would it be a cheating spouse? An unfair employer? A friend that betrayed you for your work? self-defense?....what?

just curious...it might help me with a portion of a new novel I'm drafting, and the results of this thread might help some others of you out there too that aren't killers by nature but need a motive. heee heee

What an interesting question... believe it or not, my old college buddies and I had a discussion of this very question. Self-defense, defense of others provided the threat in both cases was a mortal one, was a unanimous "yes".

As for me, I would never kill anyone for any other reason. I subscribe to the theory indifference is healthier and success is the best revenge and that virtually nothing is worth risking your liberty for.

HOWEVER, you know that question about "if you had one moment in your life to live over what would it be?" Mine would not be to be reunited with a beloved or anything like that but to have the chance to kill someone when I had the opportunity.

It was a 15-year-old boy, a big hulking cretin, and I was barely 11. He chased me into a barn and set about beating the hell of out of me and tried, basically, to rape me but I had a hoof pick in my back pocket which I used to gouge out his eye and rake down his cheek. As he clutching at his bleeding face (and screaming obsenities about what he was going to do to me), I crawled away and grabbed hold of a pick axe. I stood over him, ready to send it pick first through the top of his skull... but I didn't do it, of course. Not because I was a coward or because I wasn't mad enough to do it but because I was raised to believe I didn't have the right to take a life... particularly when mine was no longer in danger. I ran all the way to the Sheriff's station to tell them what happened. He was arrested and sent to a juvenile facility for nearly a year.

But since then, and that was many years ago now, I have wished that I had split his skull in half and basically hacked him into pieces. If I could live any moment over, that would be it. Why? Not because I was so traumatized by the event -- it was a bad experience but, hey, I got away relatively unscathed... but because two years later that evil young man kidnapped, raped and tortured a six-year-old girl, ultimately stabbing her and killing her.

I wish I had killed him when I had the opportunity. My prayers are always with the child who should have never come face to face with that monster.

That's who I would kill given the chance again.
 

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I hope to hell you don't think that's any fault of yours. I had a pretty similar experience in which my girlfriend was killed. I lived with the shame of it for a long time. I was ten. What could I have done?

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I think for me, it would have to be in self defence. I'm so sorry that some of you have had to make this decision for real. It just boggles the mind.
 

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Whoa Bergerac! I can't even imagine, or know what to say to that...so sorry that you experienced what you had, but as Wayne K said you can't take any blame upon yourself. The man - or thing- was obviously some type of monster!

And Wayne, so sorry you had to experience the loss of someone you cared about through the hands of someone.

speaking for myself (who lives a relatively sheltered life...ok SHELTERED life) I get so caught up in my fiction sometimes I lose perspective that in real life, it's not so black and white....it's not just catching the bad the "bad guy"....there's so much more than that wrecks havoc emotionally....
 

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I'd kill to save my life, to save the lives of those I love, or to save anyone's life if it was in serious danger, really. As for revenge, oh yeah, you hurt my loved ones and there's going to be death. Eventually. I don't believe in that kind of forgiveness and mercy.
 

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Wow, that's an amazing story.

My honest answer? I hope to God I wouldn't kill anyone ever period no matter what. I think there are always ways out that wouldn't involve murdering someone, even to protect myself or a loved one. If I can break someone's leg and get away, for instance, why should I kill him instead? I think there are ways out there, and even if I did it to save someone, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to forgive myself. Hopefully I'd come to terms with it, though.

That being said, am I capable of it? Probably. I think just about everyone is. I've certainly had nightmares before where I've killed someone who attacked me. Hell, I remember one rather vivid dream where a guy had murdered a good friend of mine and I beat him to death out of sheer anger. That's one of the most terrifying of all. In theory, anyone could be pushed that far. I just hope that I am always able to remain rational and not do it. For me personally, this would be absolutely the most horrible thing I could ever possibly imagine doing.

Have I ever mentioned I'm a pacifist? Yeah, probably kind of ironic considering the things I write.
 

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First off, that is one intense story, Bergerac. Thank god you managed to survive an encounter with that monster...

And sorry to hear about your experience too, Wayne. What a terrible thing to go through.

Overall, this is a very thought-provoking question.
I think I would only kill in self-defense, although I was sorely tempted to say (in all seriousness) that I'd kill to get my book published! HA!
 

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No, you don't kill to get published. You trade in sexual favors. Everyone knows that. :tongue
 

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As stated before, even some kind of harm to my children or my husband etc. I would say 'instant' death is too kind a punishment ... perhaps a fate like Wesley would like to give Prince Humperdink would be something closer to what I'd do to this person. Or possibly something like Gerry in Law Abiding Citizen.
 

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Well, if I ever kill anyone, I would have to take out their whole family as well. Don't want brothers, sisters, mom, dad, or cousins coming after me in the dark of night...
 

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How about a bad book review? I can still quote from memory the very first review (in the London Times) of my very first novel, set in Israel. The reviewer suggested that readers who wanted to learn about the Middle East should watch the news rather than read this book. He also quoted in excruciating detail the only sex scene in the book. If I'd murdered him then, I could have plead self-defense. Bit late now, alas.
 

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Last night I spent an hour making my dh's favorite spaghetti sauce. An hour I could have been writing, or napping, or staring blankly into space while the cat walked on my head. I asked him during dinner if he liked it and he said, and I quote, "Meh."

Meh.

So yeah. I know the homicidal impulse. :D

In all seriousness, I don't think I have it in me. Like some of you, I was pushed once, and had the means, motive, and opportunity, and didn't take it.
 

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I would absolutely kill to save my own life or the lives of those I love, especially DH and my stepdaughter. In fact, you don't even have to be trying to kill one of them. If anyone, ANYone ever lays a hand on my stepdaughter, ever forces himself on her or hits her - he's dead.
 

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I would absolutely kill to save my own life or the lives of those I love, especially DH and my stepdaughter. In fact, you don't even have to be trying to kill one of them. If anyone, ANYone ever lays a hand on my stepdaughter, ever forces himself on her or hits her - he's dead.

I'll buy the bullets.

I like that kid :)
 

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Do we mean this "dead" literally? I'm just wondering because people say that, but would you literally do it? I mean, if you could knock someone out and get away, or run away. Or say, in your stepdaughter's case someone hit her, as you said, would you seriously go over there and murder them for it?

I guess I think about this and say my greatest fear would be to be in a situation where I had to make a split-second decision and couldn't see a way out of an immediately life-threatening situation. But a lot of the comments here are just "if someone ever hurt" or something. I mean, I can see the logic between "to save/protect myself or a loved one," but to say, "if someone hurt someone I loved I'd go murder them" seems extreme to me. Especially if the threat has already passed.

I guess I don't really see what it would accomplish, either, but that's probably in part because I'm a pacifist. I don't see it as my right to take anyone's life, but I also am a very forgiving person who sees no value whatsoever in vengeance. It doesn't heal, it doesn't take away the bad thing that happened, and if anything it feeds the seeds of hate and anger in people that prevent us from healing and coming to terms with bad things that do happen. And really, even if someone hurt someone you loved, killing them doesn't take that away, does it? Your loved one is still hurt and still suffering the consequences.

Okay, I'm going to share a quick story, then I'm moving on and probably not contributing anymore. I know I'm in the really weird minority on this sort of thing and would either just piss people off or end up depressed reading people telling me why I should think it's okay to kill people lol. :tongue

Anyway, here's the story. This is nothing like those shared above, btw. I was at school the other day, and one of my students was in the office in tears afraid to go home/walk to school the next day. See, he's a transexual (well, they don't say that officially, but it's basically the case), and while generally this isn't too much of a problem because he has a whole cadre of loyal friends who are very kind to him and support him, there's one kid who's an absolute asshole. Let's put it this way. When he was in class last (thankfully he's usually too busy being suspended) he went up to the teacher I work with and made a lewd sexual comment about my breasts. Yeah, that kind of asshat.

So anyway, asshole boy goes up to sweet, very kind, would never hurt a fly and physically very tiny boy on the way to school and puts him in a choke hold and laughingly tells him he's going to kill him. Now, asshole is full of shit. He's just a jerk who gets off on making other people afraid of him and the control he gets from it, but this boy was in there terrified because of this.

I am not a physical person. I'm someone who avoids confrontation of any kind, much less physical. Hell, I do about the one martial art that doesn't require actual fighting because I don't like it. So believe me, when I say that when I heard about this, my first thought was, "If I had been there I would have kicked that boys ass," it means something.

I don't mean I'd have hurt him because he hurt someone else. I mean I'd have done my damndest to have gotten him off the kid, pinned him to the ground, and called the fucking police. It's the kind of thing that's just as likely to end up with me getting my own ass creamed as actually succeeding, but I don't care. I would have made damn sure he was no longer hurting that kid. You don't mess with people who are weak. You just don't. And this was as bad as someone kicking a puppy.

But that being said, my thought process when considering this was never vengeance or teaching him a lesson or anything of that sort, it was all about "I'd have stopped him from hurting the kid." I can't imagine killing someone for something like that, particularly when getting him pinned to the ground and calling the police would likely be enough. And I sure as heck can't imagine after getting him down honestly ever even considering actually murdering him for what he'd done.

I guess...my line of thinking is that murder prevents a person from the opportunity to change. Maybe asshole kid is going to realize the error of his ways next year and turn into a model citizen. I've known people who have. Hell, I've got a student right now who was terrible, dropped out, then came back and now he's the top in his class. People can change. Even when rare, it can happen, and do I have the right to deprive them of that? Or what if I don't know their circumstances? What if someone breaks into my home armed with a knife and I'm afraid he's going to kill me, so I shoot him? Whose to say he's a bad person? For all I know he's breaking into my house because he's lost his job, has three kids to support, and is about to get kicked out of his house and end up on the street if he can't pull together enough money for a mortgage payment. It's still a stupid thing to do, but would you consider that differently than a person who was a lifelong criminal, drug dealer who would pimp out his own children for cash? I know I would, and the truth is in that split second I'd have to make the decision, I have no way of knowing.

That's just how I look at things. I can't imagine doing it. Like I said, it's probably in there somewhere, and I would never say I'm not capable of something because I think every human being is, but the concept is just so far from who I am.

Anyway, I'm done now. Hopefully I haven't offended anyone, because I don't mean to. This is just something I feel very strongly about.