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Hi,
I think at least a few of you know that I am an Indian writer
and as per your suggestion I approached aproducer .
He offered a token payment of Rs 101-.
i thought he was kidding, man he was serious
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You need to quit being an Indian writer and become an American writer.
 

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padnar, what percentage of the total budget was the amount offered as token payment? While you don't have to accept any deal which is not to your liking, a sale is a sale. In fiction, many first sales of short stories come in the form of free copies of the magazine--but a publishing credit helps you make future sales.

How much will having a sale affect your likelihood of future sales to the Indian market? Will you get a back-end payment if the film earns a profit? Do you get screen credit? Will you be allowed on the set, where you might make connections?

Miss Plum, I don't see how your comment helps.

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An offer of any kind, is nice to get. Once the offer is made, the door is open for negotiations.

A new writer has less leverage than an established one, and certainly less than a Guild Writer.

I've worked with small production companies, that don't have a lot of capital upfront. Here's my approach for negotiations.

"We can only offer you XXX for the script." - Let's say ten grand.

"Wow, I'd like to get scale. Can you come up to that?" (They will say no, but at least we've established that the bottom scale for a picture with a micro budget is MORE than they are offering - check the WGA guidelines to determine the current scale)

"Alright, I understand your budget is tight, and I'd really like to see this script made. What can you offer me in addition to the sale?" - Who knows, they might have something you want - a barter possibility to produce some project you want - the chance to direct another project - the chance and pay for acting - whatever. The point is, you're offering to work with them to get the project moving)


"We have nothing more to offer - take it or leave it..." - Don't bite on this. They are counting on your desperation to be produced to give them what they want.

"Look, I really do understand that you're on a tight budget. Normally, I'd ask for ten percent of the purchase price - in this case, a grand - for you to option it with full price paid on commencement of principal photography. So I'll help you out. I'll WAIVE the normal six month option, if you'll come up to .... (name it) fifteen grand on commencement." - see you're being reasonable you don't even need the option money up front - very generous of you, but you'd like more later.

"THAT'S CRAZY WE CAN'T AFFORD FIFTEEN GRAND!"

"Oh, okay. I thought you believed in the project, and that you were going to make money from my script." - Now you've hit them in their ego. Either they believe in the project succeeding, or they don't.

"Oh, we've got deals in place, it will make money..."

"GREAT! Glad to hear it. We just have to figure out a strategy to meet both our needs. I'd really like to see scale, but I'd also like to see the project produced. How about we defer a part of scale?" - Here's where you need to know the details, the budget, what scale represents, and how to draw up an honest deferment contract. You NEED a lawyer.

"What do you mean?"

"Well, I know you've got ten grand available, how bout you pay half now, half on principal photography - another ten grand on completion... and a precentage of the back end" Whatever your plan is. They won't like it, but they might go along. The selling point is that YOU are risking the value of the script, against their ability to deliver a winning version of their story line. If THEY succeed, you should share in that success.

"Alright then, how about LIMITED rights?" - again youre being flexible. Perhaps you want to retain rights for novelization, development for games, action figures... whatever. The point is, if they can only afford a limited payment, then they might be okay with limited rights.

If they keep coming back to "Take it or leave it." - then think about leaving it.

Just a few ways to work with honest production companies in a small budget world.
 
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You need to quit being an Indian writer and become an American writer.
This might sound odd, but I think I see what was meant behind it.

In India screen writers are paid really, really, really low amounts.

That's just the reality of their industry.

So if you want to be an Indian writer who isn't paid ridiculously low amounts then you need to change markets. That's just an economic reality.

When people in my industry talk about 'Chinese Manufacturing' it is really about the high volume, low margin manufacturing of the kind extremely common in China. Yeah - it's a silly term. Like 'Chinese food' - it doesn't actually mean it was made in the country of China, but it's of the style that's popular (or at least been made famous) by that region.

It might be my background - but I read 'Indian Writer' in the same way.

If you want to get paid to develop projects in a market outside of India, than you need to do in a style that the new market wants.

Or, you know, it could be a totally bigoted remark entirely out of left field.

But I suspect not!

Good luck,

Mac
(BTW- WhiteKnight: Great post!)
 
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You need to quit being an Indian writer and become an American writer.

Thanks all and that is what I am doing . I am trying to become an American writer LOL.
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An offer of any kind, is nice to get. Once the offer is made, the door is open for negotiations.

A new writer has less leverage than an established one, and certainly less than a Guild Writer.

I've worked with small production companies, that don't have a lot of capital upfront. Here's my approach for negotiations.

"We can only offer you XXX for the script." - Let's say ten grand.

"Wow, I'd like to get scale. Can you come up to that?" (They will say no, but at least we've established that the bottom scale for a picture with a micro budget is MORE than they are offering - check the WGA guidelines to determine the current scale)

"Alright, I understand your budget is tight, and I'd really like to see this script made. What can you offer me in addition to the sale?" - Who knows, they might have something you want - a barter possibility to produce some project you want - the chance to direct another project - the chance and pay for acting - whatever. The point is, you're offering to work with them to get the project moving)


"We have nothing more to offer - take it or leave it..." - Don't bite on this. They are counting on your desperation to be produced to give them what they want.

"Look, I really do understand that you're on a tight budget. Normally, I'd ask for ten percent of the purchase price - in this case, a grand - for you to option it with full price paid on commencement of principal photography. So I'll help you out. I'll WAIVE the normal six month option, if you'll come up to .... (name it) fifteen grand on commencement." - see you're being reasonable you don't even need the option money up front - very generous of you, but you'd like more later.

"THAT'S CRAZY WE CAN'T AFFORD FIFTEEN GRAND!"

"Oh, okay. I thought you believed in the project, and that you were going to make money from my script." - Now you've hit them in their ego. Either they believe in the project succeeding, or they don't.

"Oh, we've got deals in place, it will make money..."

"GREAT! Glad to hear it. We just have to figure out a strategy to meet both our needs. I'd really like to see scale, but I'd also like to see the project produced. How about we defer a part of scale?" - Here's where you need to know the details, the budget, what scale represents, and how to draw up an honest deferment contract. You NEED a lawyer.

"What do you mean?"

"Well, I know you've got ten grand available, how bout you pay half now, half on principal photography - another ten grand on completion... and a precentage of the back end" Whatever your plan is. They won't like it, but they might go along. The selling point is that YOU are risking the value of the script, against their ability to deliver a winning version of their story line. If THEY succeed, you should share in that success.

"Alright then, how about LIMITED rights?" - again youre being flexible. Perhaps you want to retain rights for novelization, development for games, action figures... whatever. The point is, if they can only afford a limited payment, then they might be okay with limited rights.

If they keep coming back to "Take it or leave it." - then think about leaving it.

Just a few ways to work with honest production companies in a small budget world.

(getting a wave going)

This was an enormously helpful and awesome response! Thanks!
 

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Uh, thanks for the praise guys, but honestly - it's kind of basic negotiations 101. I mean, I just listed a FEW of the approaches. Same thing with buying a car, or selling your services as a consultant.

You're looking for a strategy that can meet both your needs.

You recognize and understand that their budget might be limited. You ask them to acknowledge that the script is worth MORE than they are offering. (That's the key - if you feel it's worth more, and they feel it isn't you're not going to have a meeting of the minds.)

Once you have established mutual respect for the effort to get the job done, you just try to come up with a creative strategy to achieve it.
 

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I was in a dealership, looking at a nice used Mazda about ten years back, loaded, low mileage, a little more than I wanted to pay. The saleslady sat me down and said, "Well, do you like it?"

"Yeah - It's a little more than I can afford right now. Can you do better?"

She let out this really long heavy sigh and said "Oh, no - you see that price? That's a RED STICKER PRICE - we can't come down on those."

I looked long and hard, let out an equally deep sigh and muttered just under my breath.

"It's Wednesday."

"Pardon?"

"Look I know it's a red sticker price, but it's WEDNESDAY!"

She looked confused.

I leaned forward and explained quietly. "I don't pay red sticker prices on Wednesdays."

She blinked twice and then smiled. "You are going to make me work, aren't you!"


We made the deal.
 

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Great salesmanship,but yeah I dont think it wil be applicable for Bollywood
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Padnar, if they made you an offer, you are free to make a counter offer. The conversation begins. In negotiations, typically the FIRST person to throw out a number... is at a disadvantage.

If they offer you a single penny (or whatever the equivalent is,) simply smile, and say "Why thank you for the first offer, my counter offer is a million dollars - shall we work towards the middle?" They can respect your offer, and continue negotiations, or assume it was a joke - just like theirs.
 

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Padnar, if they made you an offer, you are free to make a counter offer. The conversation begins. In negotiations, typically the FIRST person to throw out a number... is at a disadvantage.

If they offer you a single penny (or whatever the equivalent is,) simply smile, and say "Why thank you for the first offer, my counter offer is a million dollars - shall we work towards the middle?" They can respect your offer, and continue negotiations, or assume it was a joke - just like theirs.

Dude, maybe you should consider becoming an agent on the side! *laughing*

Wait, no, that's a terrible thing to say...
 

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Padnar,

Being an Indian writer myself, I advice you to research the producer/production company before making any deal. I'll tell you why.

Few months back, I wrote a spec-script and went to a production house. Talked to the people. They offered me Rs. 10,000 for it. I declined. Next day, I got a phone call. They raised the offer to Rs. 20,000.

Now I was curious so I did some research. I found that they are planning a movie in collaboration with a major Hollywood studio. The budget is huge. A special effects and animation studio will also work with them. The theme of the movie is cricket(the game :) ) which, incidentally, is my script's main theme.

They made some more offers, asked if I'm ready to do some re-writes if needed and finally, I bagged the deal at Rs. 2,20,000. Much more than the initial offer.

So copyright your script, research them and negotiate.

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Padnar,

Being an Indian writer myself, I advice you to research the producer/production company before making any deal. I'll tell you why.

Few months back, I wrote a spec-script and went to a production house. Talked to the people. They offered me Rs. 10,000 for it. I declined. Next day, I got a phone call. They raised the offer to Rs. 20,000.

Now I was curious so I did some research. I found that they are planning a movie in collaboration with a major Hollywood studio. The budget is huge. A special effects and animation studio will also work with them. The theme of the movie is cricket(the game :) ) which, incidentally, is my script's main theme.


They made some more offers, asked if I'm ready to do some re-writes if needed and finally, I bagged the deal at Rs. 2,20,000. Much more than the initial offer.

So copyright your script, research them and negotiate.

Regards,
Deepspirit.

Thank you Deepspirit and congrats on sharing yur info .Like you I know this guy is making some crossover scripts, so I approached him and he offered me a token amount of Rs 101.
Anyway I am hoping for a better offer and hope to be lucky as you and also i want to say I am happy that you got such a good offer
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If you think they might be successfully produced, go for a token payment with other payments activated by events such as rewrites, production and future income.
 

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Nope ,the producer is doing no such thing
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