Will there ever be an original YA vampire book again?

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Fantasy, urban fantasy, or otherwise, do you think? I'd like to say yes, but I dunno. People seem pretty stuck on the whole moody-new-kid-falls-for-Mary-Jane formula. Anyway, I think it'd be nice if an author someday found an original take on it, because I do think it's a genre that can be done well. Your thoughts?
 

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I have two thoughts on this.

a) After Dracula, is *any* Vampire fiction 'original'? I haven't read much, if I'm honest with you, but what I know of pre-Twilight vampire stuff suggests that 'vampire trying to fight his killing instinct' is a common trope. It's a way of exploring the darker side of humanity. I can definitely see a line of descent from Anne Rice to Stephenie Meyer, for example. An expert can tell me if I'm wrong ;)

b) Although I do get what you mean re: the current trend. Give it a few years and the genre will be shaken up again - although I think it may land in some similar places.

ETA: Actually, thinking about it, there are interesting links between Twilight and Dracula too. I'm sure someone's written on this already but the whole thrill of penetrating fangs in Victorian society has got to have similar resonances in conservative American (Mormon) society too...

The vampire as a creature has some fundamental associations that I think will always be with it as a mythology.
 
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There'll be more original YA vampire novels if I have anything to do with it! *shakes fist*

Seriously though, I doubt I'm the only one who read Twilight and thought 'My goodness, I could do better than this poor excuse for a vampire novel'. Only with more swearing and book-thrown-across-the-room-ing. I'm hoping once Twilight-mania dies down a bit we might see some interesting new takes on the mythos emerging again.
 

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There was a book that came out maybe a year ago about a Victorian vampire huntress. That's pretty original, I think. I didn't read it, though, because there were vampires AND werewolves AND witches AND ghosts AND pixies AND etc etc. That drives me up the wall and will almost always stop me from picking up a book.
 

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There was a book that came out maybe a year ago about a Victorian vampire huntress. That's pretty original, I think. I didn't read it, though, because there were vampires AND werewolves AND witches AND ghosts AND pixies AND etc etc. That drives me up the wall and will almost always stop me from picking up a book.

Yep, same here. That's my big problem with a lot of Urban Fantasy.
 

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How about a vampire story sans romance? I'm trying to think of one right now and can't. (Then again, *any* YA novel where the MC doesn't fall in love is rare, so maybe I'm asking too much...but it would be interesting).
 

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Scott Westerfeld's Peeps was probably the most original take on vampires I've ever read. He made the explanation so scientific I could totally envision them actually existing >.> Plus, he explained a reason for their existence that was... aahhh, brilliant.
 

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I loved Peeps. I also love Anne Rice.

I think what I require in a vampire book is that it feels believable (the whole suspension of disbelief thing) and that it does not feel derivative. If it's a vampire there's always going to be some overlap in the mythology, the reaction, the whatever.

As long as it doesn't feel cookie cutter or like a trend chaser, and it feels like something I can get into enough to believe, then for me it's good vampire/urban fantasy/whatever.
 

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Gonna jump on the Peeps love train here. Also, the Reformed Vampire Support Group had a very original idea. Though I think the book was terrible, I admit it had a new take on the vamp thing.

Yes, there will be original vampire fiction. Twilight was just one example of something lame that was blown way out of proportion. That doesn't mean every vamp book will be as lame. And most books that are similiar (with the whole vamp romance) came out before Twilight, when the idea was new. (like Vampire Diaries) so people consider them just a "ripoff" and "jumping onto a popular trend" without realizing when they came out.

It's like people thinking Percy Jackson and the Olympians were just a ripoff of the Harry Potter formula without realizing that Percy Jackson was written before Harry Potter, but only made it to publication after due to legality issues.

Also, can I add: "vampires" are not a genre. Urban fantasy is, and that genre is riddled with originality, especially in YA.
 

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*joins the Peeps bandwagon* Definitely my favorite YA vampire novel, just because it was so different.
 

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I've never heard of this 'Peeps' thing, but something tells me I should go and look it up immediately.

Oh, and re: vampire romance, I thought Let The Right One In was a brilliant example of how to handle it. Rather than being a big gooey sparklefest, it's creepy and uncertain right to the end.
 

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As long as it doesn't feel cookie cutter or like a trend chaser, and it feels like something I can get into enough to believe, then for me it's good vampire/urban fantasy/whatever.

I agree with this. And I definitely don't think vampires are done being 'original'. You can put a unique twist on most anything, if you try.
 

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Now, personal opinions aside, I think that there is room for new vampire novels for sure.

Although I peronally have had enough of abstinent vamps, vamps in highschool, moody couples who never talk to each other but proclaim to be in twu wuve, 'dangerous' or 'forbidden' love that is about as threatening as a yorkshire terrier.

I think there's room for darker vamp novels, ones with blood and gore and sex and violence.

I'm so over YA vamp novels. After all, your immortal right? How sad and desperate do you have to be to relive your highschool experience over and over and over.
 

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"Dangerous or forbidden love that is about as threatening as a yorkshire terrier." Love it!

I read recently about a vamp book that sold about a vampire who struggles with his / her weight. That made me laugh: definitely original.

I think there's still an appetite for vampire YA and a friend of mine has written an interesting take on it. But it's an uber tough sell... so getting an agent and / or publishing deal with a vampire book is horribly difficult right now unless you have a truly truly original take on it (high school vampire struggles with weight).
 

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I'm so over YA vamp novels. After all, your immortal right? How sad and desperate do you have to be to relive your highschool experience over and over and over.

You can have a YA vamp novel without that, though. What if the vampire is young--like, was turned into a vampire as a teen, or something to that effect?

Also I thought EVERNIGHT by Claudia Gray (who posts on AW) did a really good job with the relatability of vampires of all ages and explaining why they do what. So you never know.
 

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I think so - anyone remember the nightworld series? not entirely sure when they were published but they were all about angsty teen vampires and vampire hunters and soulmates and so on, written in the 90s I think? I recently re-read them, remembering that I'd enjoyed them as a teen and was like, what on earth is this?!

they seem to come around every 10 or so years!
 

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Nightworld series originally came out in the 90s, but they've been repackaged and rereleased thanks to Twilight; the final book in the series was supposed to finally come out this July, but it's been pushed back to April or so.
 

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There was a book that came out maybe a year ago about a Victorian vampire huntress. That's pretty original, I think. I didn't read it, though, because there were vampires AND werewolves AND witches AND ghosts AND pixies AND etc etc. That drives me up the wall and will almost always stop me from picking up a book.
Do you remember the title? I ask because I'm a Victorian nut. Love all things Victorian.

I actually have a YA vampire novel knocking around in my head. There are a few original thoughts in my head. The twist and premise have never been done before.

However, I dont' dare write it now. I'm stuck in my Civil War WIP right now and I dont know if now is the time to bring out the vampire novel. I think they are overdone.
 

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I didn't know Peeps was vampire fiction
 

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I have two thoughts on this.

a) After Dracula, is *any* Vampire fiction 'original'?

Dracula wasn't even original when it came out. It was a rip off of Count Vuthven, among others, which was just a massive snark of Lord Byron.

I didn't know Peeps was vampire fiction

(I thought Peeps was a zombie novel.)
 

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Nightworld series originally came out in the 90s, but they've been repackaged and rereleased thanks to Twilight; the final book in the series was supposed to finally come out this July, but it's been pushed back to April or so.

Ah, LJ Smith. Also the author of the Vampire Diaries (and a really terrific series about psychic teens called Dark Visions which is a bit like Kelley Armstrong and features a very original "psychic vampire"). Seems like that last book will never come out! I was very confused when Twilight first came out, as I'd read the Nightworld books as a teen and genuinely wondered if it was the same one when people started talking about a series "where a vampire falls in love with a high school girl." :rolleyes:

(I had a similar moment of utter confusion when Harry Potter came out because I'd read the fairly dissimilar "School of Wizardry" by Jim MacDonald as a kid.)

Which I think just goes to show that it might not be worth chasing "originality" when you're working on reimagining an existing trope or myth. I think the devil is really in the details: well-developed characters, strong prose, an interesting plot. The last, especially, is much more important to me than the originality of the premise.
 

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For those wondering about Peeps. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

From School Library Journal
Starred Review. Grade 9 Up–Vampire stories are a staple of the publishing industry. They are usually romantic and sexy, steeped in a dreamy magic. Peeps is none of those–well, maybe a little sexy. Nineteen-year-old Cal, a Texas transplant, lost his virginity–and a lot more–when he first arrived in New York City. He became a parasite-positive, or peep–he prefers not to use the v-word. Now he works for the Night Watch, a secret branch of city government dedicated to tracking others of his kind. Unlike the rare natural carriers like Cal, who has acquired night vision, superhuman strength, and a craving for lots of protein, most peeps are insane cannibals lurking in darkness. But now the teen has found the young woman who infected him–and learns that something worse than peeps is threatening the city, and he is on the front lines. Cal's voice is genuine–he's a little geeky, as evidenced by the intermittent discussions on parasites, and he laces a dry humor through this immensely reasonable biological vampire story. The evocation of NYC is exactly right, so that even the most fantastic elements of the plot feel believable. Much of the story is concerned with Cal's detective work and growing relationship with Lace, his Major Revelation Incident (he tells her his secret); toward the end, the action picks up in a race to reveal the horrors to come. This innovative and original vampire story, full of engaging characters and just enough horror without any gore, will appeal to a wide audience.–Karyn N. Silverman, Elizabeth Irwin High School, New York City
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition./QUOTE]
 

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The Reformed Vampire Support Group had a great idea, but the writing didn't sit well with me. I think it's because the characters' personalities seemed dead--pun not intended. Anyway, I do think there could be an original YA vampire book again, one day, even soon. Right now, though, I think everyone's so focused on following this popular trend instead of actually coming up with something that is interesting and unique. I'd much rather create the trends than follow them. Too boring. I can't wait until we get over this werewolf/vampire/moody protagonist rut though.
 
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