What do you Want in a Vampire Series?

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I'm a fan of vampire stories and series, so it is hardly surprising I have opinions of such. But what about you folks? Which vampire t.v. series do you most like--and why? More, what don't you like? What haven't you seen but very much want to? Or have seen too much of?

Consider the different examples...Dark Shadows, Forever Knight, Angel, Moonlight, The Vampire Diaries, True Blood, Young Dracula, Ultraviolet, Dracula: The Series, Vampire High, etc. Which ones worked? Which didn't?

Please share your opinions. I'd love to find out what you think...
 

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I think that given all the vampire stuff out there, that you must find some 'unique' angle.

I equate vampire stories to a high school WWII term paper.

Just imagine how many thousands upon thousands of WWII term papers a history teacher has had to read. How hard would it be to write a paper that that teacher would find exciting?

Same thing for me and vampire stories. And so, they need to have something 'unique' about them.

With Angel, the thing I loved was the whole concept of a Vampire with a soul fighting other monsters and demons. I found that entire world intriguing.

What I find to be an instant turn off is the whole Vampire "I can live forever" angst.
I mean, seriously, please stop treating eternal life like a curse. That's like me being upset that i'm a billionaire.

Lastly, I'm not a fan of vampires breaking all the rules, walking in sunlight, touching crosses, etc. Without any sort of checks and balances, they'd just take over the whole planet.

That was one reason I was looking forward to that movie where humans were like cattle and vampires roamed the globe. Logically, this would be the result if vampires were real. Their population would grow exponentially, and given their strengths and abilities, they'd easily conquer the world. And this is a billion times more true if they have no weaknesses whatsoever like in Twilight (god I hate that movie).

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Add Vampire Hunter D and Blood The Last Vampire to the list lol.
Anime vampires are always done nicely for some reason.
Even the campy ones.

@dgiharris

There are many breeds of vampires rules vary.
There's the folklore set and the movie set.

If vampires drank animal blood, (say cows blood) they could take over no problem.
But human blood is what they always need for some reason.
If we all die they do to.

Also remember humans are great at finding ways to kill things.
 

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Actually, its sorta been established that vampires can 'live' off animal blood (like crackers and water) but I agree, human blood more aligns with their needs for full vitality.

As for other rules. I'm not opposed to bending a few rules. I'm opposed to the wholesale abandoning of the folklore rules.

My biggest pet peeve is the breaking of the sunlight rule. You do that, and you completely lose me, PERIOD.

Personally, I believe that vampires were/are best when they are rooted in the mythical/folklore aspect.

The new trend of using viruses/science to explain vampires never really sat well with me.

To each their own. Stories evolve and the new generation seems to have no problem with supposed evolution like sparkly vampires :idea::crazy:

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Gotta point out--nowhere in folklore is there the slightest hint that vampires are hurt in any way by sunlight. Really. That was a show business invention, first used in the Balderson-Deane play version of Dracula then in the silent film Nosferatu.

There is a common (but by no means universal) tendency to see vampiric activities as nocturnal, but sunlight in and of itself is never mentioned as a means of hurting or destroying the creatures. Not in any myth or folklore I've ever encountered.

Myself, I prefer the way it was handled in the novel Dracula (carried over into the film Bram Stoker's Dracula) as well as the film Razor Blade Smile--namely, that night is the natural time for vampires and they find themselves weakened in some way by the sun (in the latter, it is that her eyes find sunlight blindingly painful).
 

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I guess I should clarify my statement of mythos/folklore.

Yes, if we go back to the beginning of vampire origins, sure, there is no direct reference to death by sunlight.

However, that advent became popular with cinema/plays around the 1900 IIRC and has held ever since.

After the 1920s, most tales dealing with vampires (even retro active tales) added the sunlight component and thus from our reckoning (being now in the 21st century) it is one of those truths that seem like its always been there.

ANd I could have sworn Bram Stokers Dracula had the sunlight component in his work (though its been 15 years since I've read it).

Regardless, cultural norms regarding vampires had developed a set of rules that all writers more or less adhered to until probably around the 80s. Then, a few writers began to stray. Actually, that is not accurate. There have always been a writer here or there that has strayed, but their stories never really caught on.

But starting around the 80s - 90s some of the stories started to catch on and then more and more stories that took creative liberties with vampires started becoming more mainstream with the latest version being Twilight.

Now, it feels as if writers nowadays feel that they MUST stray from the cinema established rules in order to validate their new and improved version of vampire.

I will admit an ignorance to most of this as many of these types of stories are a turn off for me and so I don't read/watch them.

In summary, repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth. And the truth is, if you surveyed 100 people the vast majority of them would cite that vampires have always been harmed by sunlight, though technically, that did not come about until the cinema age.

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Check out The Vampire Book: The Encyclopedia of the Undead.
It's a nice resource.
And thick too...book has some weight lol.
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ANd I could have sworn Bram Stokers Dracula had the sunlight component in his work (though its been 15 years since I've read it).

Stoker, perhaps being a drunk Irishman (like half my ancestors) played fast and loose with this one. Dracula himself could walk about in the day, being *nocturnal* more so than bursting into flames.

The three female vampires, however, seemed confined to their coffins or boxes during the day. It's not explicitly said in the story - least not that I recall - but the explanation I gathered was that Dracula's abilities were the result of both power and age and that the three vampiresses were more vulnerable for this same reason, namely being they were newer, less powerful vampires.
 

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Now, it feels as if writers nowadays feel that they MUST stray from the cinema established rules in order to validate their new and improved version of vampire

I think the impetus for this is much more basic: how do you escape the cliches and confines of the genre? As long as it's done well, and given some sort of explanation, I don't mind veering off from established mythology now and again.

I *loved* the whole sunblock device in Blade for example.

Moreover, why should any writer be limited by what's in the movies? If that was the case all of our sci-fi would be star wars and star trek. Without someone pushing the boundaries here and there, it's all just stale imitation.

Though... admittedly... some variations are just plain silly. Sparkles? Really? Sparkles?
 

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Vampires rule! Am loving The Vampire Diaries this year. Ian S. is tremendously entertaining.

I used to love Angel. I think I have now seen every single ep at least 3 times.

I look for entertainment value. Let's face it.
 

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True Blood works for me :)
 

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I don't like it when vamps can stand sunlight and are basically invincible.


I HATE human like vampires. For Goth's sake,let them kill people!

Veggy vamps,the effing horror. Terrorize innocent livestock but won't hurt people= HATE. Give me stuff like the lady vamps in Bram Stoker's Dracula who ate the kid. Lovely stuff:hooray:

I don't like vamps that are integrated into society. Let them have their own society,secret from humans,with their own rules.

I love vamps like Lestat,Angelus,and Dracula. Nasty bastards that you fear but with so much charisma that you can't help but to like them.

I love a series with diversity. If your series has vampires in all shades, I am your bitch forever.
 

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Hmmm...gotta point out that Lestat lived by a code so that the only people he killed were unrepentant murderers. He wasn't nearly as nasty as Angelus or Dracula. Hell, he wasn't as ruthless as Harmony Kendall!

There are plenty of inconsistencies in Dracula, but nowhere is there a single instance of a vampire damaged in any way by sunlight. Carmilla, the classic that predated Stoker's novel by decades, has the vampire walk around in daylight easily (although she evidently doesn't like it much). While I personally prefer that vampires remain "creatures of darkness" I cannot justify the notion that they burst into flames or dissolve in sunlight.

I certainly agree about diversity--but that means virtuous as well as sociopathic undead, and everything in between. What I don't like are major characters who remain the literary equivalent of stick figures, whether they be vampires or not. And I want some kind of consistency. We the audience need not know all the rules, but the writers need a handle on them.
 

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I like the way "Buffy" portrayed vampires and lore. Even the book "Vampire haiku" praised Joss Whedon's treatment (read "Vampire Haiku" for inspiration).

It's easier to list what I DON'T like about vampire fiction today:
I hate vampires being used to market cliche Hot topic fashion. Every damned vamp you see now has emo style.
I hate vampires as a plot device for angsty, oh-so-deep forbidden love. That's SO tired.
Vampires as brooding, tortured, dramatic, solemn characters is dull. See "Spike" form "Buffy" for a GOOD characterization. A good vampire character should have traits that would appeal to male and female readers; lately all the vampires are boilerplate love interests in young female customer reading.
The "vampire who's repentant and regrets feeding on humans" is tired.
A vampire as "eternal teen" is way too "Twilight" to work anymore. Vampires should look like Peter Murphy by now. (watch the video for "Cuts You Up" for a perfect vampire!)

In a good vampire story, I'd like to see these underexplored themes:
What makes vampires cry? I don't mean cheesy romance-gone-bad stuff, I mean that tragedy would actually traumatize one? No slapstick here, I man REAL trauma.
How to vampires handle the problem of religion? Why is it that crosses repel them? Would other religious symbols do so, too? An interesting controversy for your story would be the discovery that some religious symbols DON'T repel them; what are the implications of that?
If a priest is sired, what happens?
Can a vampire be in therapy? Can they be influenced by the chemical imbalances of a depressed or psychotic victim?
What would a real vampire think of the wannabe phenomenon?
 

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Well, I really like to good Vampire book if i can find one. I am into the action part of it. But I do love Buffy& Angel when it was out. I do catch the odd show. I am not into the New shows, i did take my god daughter to see Twilight and will take her to see the rest. I do also habe to say the story it self is good but the way they have the Vampire I was not inpressed.

I am finished my one story that has them in it long with others and making a series out of it. My mom and best friend read it and love it and keep asking when the next one will be done, i have sent it off to a contest with Bloody Words so lets cross our fingers :)
 

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Well, I really like to good Vampire book if i can find one. I am into the action part of it. But I do love Buffy& Angel when it was out. I do catch the odd show. I am not into the New shows, i did take my god daughter to see Twilight and will take her to see the rest. I do also habe to say the story it self is good but the way they have the Vampire I was not inpressed.

I am finished my one story that has them in it long with others and making a series out of it. My mom and best friend read it and love it and keep asking when the next one will be done, i have sent it off to a contest with Bloody Words so lets cross our fingers :)
I am absolutely crossing my fingers for you. :D
 

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Thanks, DavidZahir

I have been working on the series (The second book) this morning, 6am is way to early for me. If you know what I mean.
 

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I love GOOD vampire series and shows. I enjoyed moonlight...but that was probably because of the guy! I loved Buffy for the witty dialogue and I love True Blood just because the books were incredible. I've read so many vampire series, but I never get tired of them-just depends on the book/show itself.

I hate Vampire Diaries. I couldn't make it through the first book or the first episode. It took what could have been an interesting idea and ruined it with completely unlikable characters for me.
 

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Hi, Justarandomname47

I would have to agree about the vampire diaries. I found it low and well not very tastefull. I like ones that are thrilling and catch you at the first pg or the first show. Buffy did that for me, along with Angel. But the story i write will be different and I do promies it will have alot more pg turning then normal vampire story's.
 

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I will opine here a bit.

I want a vampire series that surprises me. Re-using the same tropes is okay, so long as it is done in an interesting spin. I want complex, interesting characters with compelling stories.

I want the vampires to make sense. For example, if a vampire kills every time he feeds and he feeds twice a week, then that one vampire makes a significant change in the murder rate of even a major, crime-ridden city. Likewise if one bite transforms someone into a vampire, then we'd quickly be up to our eyebrows in the things. You also have to explain how vampires are made, what their weaknesses really are--and it helps a lot if the overall "picture" is consistent.

Blood Ties actually approached this quite well. Vampires did not have to kill to feed, and few did. But territorial instincts were so great it was impractical for two vampires to dwell in the same city. No shape-shifting or flying. It wasn't that hard to kill a vampire, so staying covert made perfect sense.

Some adore the vampire-as-monster motif but ultimately that seems kinda boring to me. One important question to me for any vampire tale is--What happens to the person who changes? For example both Buffy and Bram Stoker's Dracula more-or-less came out and called vampirism a kind of demonic possession. The series Forever Knight strongly hinted that to become a vampire was to gain a whole new set of very strong instincts. On the other hand, why did vampires in Blade change personality so much? No idea. In The Strain this is explained in (horrifying) detail, one of the few examples of totally monstrous vampires that worked for me (their entire biology is reworked, including the loss of higher brain functions).

Methinks True Blood is an excellent example of a vampire t.v. series--not least because the vampires in question make total sense. They are diverse, and respond in an understandable way to their condition.

Mind you, I would also point out that as premises for series The Vampire Diaries is far better suited that Twilight. The former has actual adversaries in one way or another that stay around and interact. The bite is not a death sentence, unlike the latter, and the use of a long-term background lends itself to complex story arcs. What I don't like about the series is the relative lack-of-depth in the main characters, and in the fact that this particular high school seems made up of nothing but pretty people. Where, I ask, are the Willows and Jonathans and Xanders? Why is everyone a Cordelia or a Harmony? How dull! Ms. Myers' work outstrips the t.v. series in that at least (haven't read the books, so cannot judge them).
 

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Vampire Diaries is one of my favourite shows of all time. Not only because of the storylines and characters but it's got traditional vampire elements as well as modern ones. Plus Damon is hot :tongue
 
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