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I was wondering if anyone could give me their opinion on the book. I believe the second installment in the series, Eldest, came out today, and evidently it's a big thing, with millions of copies sold and the movie deal and everything. I do own the book and admit it was a fairly interesting read. But is it just me or does anyone else think its a star wars plotline in a lord of the rings setting with a dragon thrown in. We've got the orphaned farm boy whose uncle is murdered by the Empire. He's mentored by a mysterious old man who dies saving him and turns out to be the last of the dragonrider order. Then with the help of a rogue he rescues a princess and joins the rebellion against the empire...Maybe its just me... And the setting is straight lotr, from the dwarves living in a mountain to the elves coming over from the sea. I was just wondering, it seems rather cliche but is a huge hit. What does everyone here think?
 
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I haven't read it either, but you might want to put "Spoiler Alert" in your message before you give away plot points. Eragon is always on prominent display in the Young Adult section of my local bookstores. I like the cover art.
 

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There seems to be general agreement that the book is highly derivative fantasy, but it was written by a young author (15 or so when he started) who seems to promise great things in the future. It is a YA book.


Also of note is that it was originally published as -- gasp -- a POD book. The author's family devoted themselves to publicizing it and were eventually rewarded by a contract with a major publisher. As a result, Christopher Paolini is an icon to all POD authors.
 

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I haven't read it either, but you might want to put "Spoiler Alert" in your message before you give away plot points.

sorry about that. will do.
 

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I managed to get about half way then I kind of have up. He is an all right writer, it's just his characters' dialogue all feel the same, like they are coming from one person. His plot line has been used to death, and I don't really think he has done anything incredibly different from previous authors. It's just kind of bland to me. That's my opinion anyway.
 

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I read it, and like it. against all reason.


yes, the plot is incredibly formulaic; yes, the wiritng did not overawe me; yes, he has elves and dragons, even elves from an isolated island, referred ot as "fair folk".

however, the main character seemed appealing, the elves were really quite uniquely handled (had he not called htem elves, he could have gotten away with making them a species of his own invention), and, for some reason, i was quite entertained.
 

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Haha, nothing wrong with being entertained. Just wasn't entertaining enough to me.
 

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Yes, I've read the book. Here's what I thought:

1. The author did not take "Show, Don't Tell" into mind, and his writing style can be painful at times.

2. The main character is a cardboard cut-out. If you were to take the, "Eragon said," out, you would not know who was talking.

3. I should admit that there were some characters, such as "Murtagh," that worked, but many others (Eragon? Doesn't it sound like Aragorn?) I did not care for.

4. The book at least moves at a fast pace, despite its long length. But there are few surprises in the book that keep you reading. The book itself is a cliched formula.


Eragon is decent for a YA book, but most kids tend to find it more enjoyable than adults -- especially kids who have never read LOTR or watched SW Episodes 4, 5 and 6 before.

Eragon does have merit, but the author's lack of experience and amateur writing style holds it back. That said, I have no interest in purchasing Paolini's sequel after reading Eragon.
 
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but, he's only (or was) fifteen when he started. doesn't that make up for everything? doesn't that mean he's the greatest thing since terry brooks (a dubious honour, if you ask me)? doesn't the fact a 15 year old who can string two sentences together just boggle your mind?

no, of course not. i've never heard of this book before, but were i as an adult to submit it, sounds like they would have shot me down ten ways from sunday. were i a duck (i said dUck), flying merrily in the clouds, the editor would be a highly-trained squadron of anti-aircraft emplacements with computerized laser scopes and auto-tracking.

okay, yeah, i give the kid props for actually writing a book. still, though, good lawd, it's STAR WARS people! the kid just ripped-off star wars and because of his age we're to applaude him for it? hell, i'll just give my nephew my first book and tell him to rewrite it and submit it. he's thirteen, he'll be rich by the time he's 21.

how exactly do they plan on making a movie out of this and george lucas sit there and say, 'hm, why does this look familiar?' lol. lucas is so easy going he might not care, though. then again, he might not be overjoyed, either. he might just look at it as another rip-off and shrug it off because he's used to it. hell, he might even do the f/x for it. wouldn't that be something? (of course, lucas would be nothing without 'the hidden fortress' for 'reference,' as i understand it, sooo....)

okay, good for that kid. he got published. kudos. jeers to the editor for churning out formulaic drivel apparently not up to professional standards, kid or not. 'by a kid, for kids.' my cynicism has to kick in here to beg the question, 'did the parents help out with the story at all?'

is this supposed to be some sort of YA introduction into fantasy? i think what aggravates me the most is the idea that kids will read this rip-off, get a little older and turn to LOTR and think, 'man, i've already read this stuff', and put it down, neverminding the body of work that *created* the formula. *i* read LOTR in the ninth grade, didn't have much of a problem with it. i hate to think vastly superior works are undermined by a kid (!) with seemingly (from what's been expressed in this thread) no appreciable talent for telling an original story. taking two of the most popular franchises of all time and jamming them together just really doesn't impress me, to be honest. i mean, the kid was fifteen. kids are smart. the age here should only be indicative of his professionalism in telling the story, not in the plot, which, you'd think that since 'kids' are so imaginative, would be great, no? it seems, though, that his writing prowess is at an intermediate level at best.

is it entertaining? hey, it sounds entertaining. then again, i thought star wars was entertaining, too, so there ya go.

man, i *knew* i should have started publishing in the third grade.

or am i being too harsh?
 

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I found it a mostly tedious, unintentionally funny read. Unfortunately, I'd heard how young the author was, which caused all kinds of guilt on my part: was I just JEALOUS? Or was I being more lenient with it than it deserved because "for a teenager" he wrote pretty well? There was no way to judge it on its merits, knowing that.
 

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niesta, that's a great way of putting. no, i'm not jealous. why should i be when clearly the only supporting feature about this book as to why it should be published *is* the kid's age? the reason why kids start off writing fantasy so often is because they don't know squat about real life that would shine through in, say, humour. i think the fantasy genre is a shield for a lot of adult writers, not just a very young writer. it is disappointing to be beaten out by clearly inferior works (again, i'm trusting in y'all's assessments here) due to factors that should really have no bearing in getting published. it's almost akin to being set aside for an author who looks better on the back cover. he's a novelty, a gimmick.

this is a series? well, hopefully, the kid can handle the criticism, learn from it, and grow into a great writer... one that writes better plots than this. and i hope he doesn't let it go to his head. i can see him college now: 'you know, baby, *i'm* a published author.'
 

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This country is youth-obsessed. The fact that the author was 15 when he wrote it, 19 when he "self-published" it (through his parents' small press, so technically it's not really self-pub), and got picked up by a major publisher... all has that "miracle" feel to it. That kind of hype sometimes overshadows the actual quality of the book. It's not to say the book is bad (I haven't read it -- YA Fantasy is not my thang) -- but many books are probably better written, but do not get that kind of publicity and sales number. Had it been written by a 35yo housewife, do you think it would have enjoyed such media blitz and publishing success? After all, the kid's age and the "story" behind it did get many of you to buy and read it...
 

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preyer said:
and i hope he doesn't let it go to his head. i can see him college now: 'you know, baby, *i'm* a published author.'

I think it's too late for that :). Christopher Paolini was quoted saying, "I strive for the quality of Tolkien at its best."

The author is arrogant, and he apparently did not follow the advice of reviewers because I've heard that Eldest is of a poorer quality than Eragon.
 

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well, he's still a kid. 'tolkien at his best'?

bwahahahahahahaha!

okay, he said he'll strive for that. and it's not unheard of for an author to strut around with a bit of arrogance. hopefully he won't go the way of the childhood star.

here are some of his other awesome projects:

~ young people with special abilities that causes people of their respective towns to fear and despise them retreat to a school for the 'gifted' where magicians train them to hone their skillz. an older rogue pops in every now and then to save the school from the local baron trying to destroy them and their ways. further complicating the situation is the rogue interfering with two of the teacher's love affair. will the main character discover the baron is the same person who killed his parents and gave him the scar on his arm in time?

~ aboard a giant flying ship on its maiden voyage, a virginal female thief stows away so she can reach home where her sick mother awaits for the special serum she's carrying from faraway lands. she starts to fall in love with a spoiled prince who's traveling with his witchy fiance who he has to marry in order to spare their kingdoms from war. the prince carries a dowry of a huge blue diamond with curing abilities. the magicians making the ship float in the clouds are tasked into making better speed when, out of the clouds, appears a tall rock spire ripping open the side of the vessal. the boat is going to go down in flames as onlookers gasp in horror, spouting sayings like, 'oh, the human toll of it all!'

~ after a strange magickally insipid, er, inspired storm which sends an impoverished ex-ranger and his trusty sidekick/pet pokibacca into a brightly coloured fantasy realm/alternate universal (aka 'the universal dream factory'), he finds himself the owner of a tavern in a war-torn land when his ex-girlfriend from his real life shows up with magickal abilities. troubles arise when the witch chasing her and her boyfriend, who suddenly shows up, tries to stop them from getting back to their world. in the end, though, the ranger decides to stay and face the witch after he puts his love and her fiance onboard a 'return dream spell.'

anyone seeing a pattern here?
 

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Here are some quotes from the Entertainment Weekly Review of Eldest (the sequel to Eragon):

"The sequel to Eragon is not only derivative but dull"

"I swear on Helzvog's stone girdle that I have not for many a year read anything so mind-numbingly silly as Eldest, the endless, over-heated sequel to Christopher Paolini's best-selling 2003 Lord of the Rings knockoff, Eragon"

"Malarkey like this [referring to the description of the book] might be forgiven if it were hitched to a fast-moving narrative. But Paolini dawdles, with long, self-indulgent asides about the proper components of a dwarfish bow (Feldunost horns, skin from the roof of trout's mouths) and Eragon's romantic yearnings for emerald-eyed Arya, an enigmatic elf who 'set his insides churning with a mixture of odd sensations he could not identify.' Ugh. Or as the dwarfs say, 'Werg.'"
 

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Well, striving for the quality of Tolkien at his best is not arrogant. I just hope he never thinks, or says, that he has achieved it.
 

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not able to resist any train wreck, i visited the kid's site for a minute. remarkably, there were quite a few glowing reviews from some pretty major sources. since it was close by, i went to amazon for some real reviews. minus out the complete raves and rants of a few idiots, and the positive reviews tended to centre around the notion that, 'for a kid, this is really good.' put against any critical analysis, it falls apart fast.

i'm sure they'll make the trailers for the movie look great, though. methinks the movie may have some script doctors working on golden time to pull it all together, lol. hopefully he doesn't peak too young. and gets his head on straight. and magickally aquires a lot of talent.
 

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hopefully he doesn't peak too young. and gets his head on straight. and magickally aquires a lot of talent.

Lol, well, just think back to when you were his age--I know the stuff I was writing in my late teens was absolute rot not fit to publish. I haven't read the kid's books and don't intend to. I'll wait another decade or so and then I'll give his mature work a try.
 

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A book Paolini needs to write -- How to Make Millions with Poor Writing Skills

With his second book, Paolini had a chance to sweep us off our feet, and prove that he was a great writer. He made such wild claims that his sequel would be so much better, and I think most people believed it, since he was young when he wrote his first book.

But now, what excuse does Paolini have? He is -- what, 21? 22 years old? And he is very immature no matter what age he may be. He has childish fantasies about him (Eragon, who is described having the same looks as Mr. Paolini) and Liv Tyler (Arya). Everything about this author seems to strike me as unprofessional.

And I am not jealous of him either -- honestly, I would not want to be in his shoes right now. His books have given him a bad reputation, and his boasts about his writing make him an embarrassment to himself.

Paolini has achieved fortune -- but are you surprised that there is a best-selling book that has not won any notable awards? I am not, because his writing is of the poorest quality -- most fan fiction is probably better than Eragon.

I think it's about time this author grew up. His extreme over-estimation of his own writing skills, and his childish fantasies, hold him back from becoming a great writer. Somebody (his editor, I should say) needs to send this kid an honest critique of his work. Maybe then, he can learn from his mistakes and stop trying to leap from an inexperienced writer to a master of the fantasy genre.

 

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'Lol, well, just think back to when you were his age--I know the stuff I was writing in my late teens was absolute rot not fit to publish.' ~ well, i was always the darling of whatever writing teacher i had in school. my ninth grade teacher like to tear her hair out trying to get me to publish some stupid horror story, but i just wasn't interested. still, impressing teachers who read garbage all day wasn't terribly difficult, lol. i'd say it was just to motivate me were she not the only teacher. i'm not quite sure why i had a reputation as a 'writer' in school.

time for confessions and true stories....

i've written for money before. that is, a few times my schoolmates would commission a story from me for their creative writing class that they weren't interested in doing, always with the caveat, 'don't make it too good.'

one i apparently did make too good, for my best friend no less. he wasn't exactly the best and brightest. he actually needed the creative writing credit to graduate, which absolutely blows my mind. anyway, knowing how critical it was, his *mother* paid me to write a story for him to turn in. i wrote it, she paid me, he turned it in... and was rejected by the teacher. she thought he plaigarized it out of a magazine. so i had to go talk to her and tell her i helped him with the story. she wasn't stupid, she knew exactly what was going on, but she was pretty cool, too, and pretended to buy it.

i earned a couple of bucks in school writing for other people to turn in as their own work. i was almost busted big-time once as i used one story for a class, let my friend borrow it for another, who in turn let someone else borrow. problem was all three separate teachers taught their respective classes in the same damn hallway! fortunately, the story was altered just enough to avoid getting suspended. i'm positive that certain teachers expected more out of me in certain ways than they did the other brainless twits staring blankly back at them.

so while i've 'enjoyed' a certain kind of dubious success and reputation while young, i also learned some of the pitfalls, too, especially when, while in the course of self-publishing my book, i got bit by a dog. sad but true.

okay, i didn't graduate high school at the age of 15, *but* that a kid that age *began* writing a *bad* story that got sold, well, i have to be less than awed. i feel as if i could have done the same. i mean, i was writing bad stories long before that, lol. i remember in sixth grade i used to write a story a page at a time while my friend read them, so once he got through my horrible hand-writing i'd have another page done. now, while he was rather impressed by that, i never was with my own 'abilities,' such as they are/were. difference is my old stories were conan-based rip-offs while this guy's is star wars/LOTR/dragonlance/anne mccaffrey.

i know a lot of people don't start writing until later, but i started in the third grade one day as i was sick as a dog and bored out of my mind. it was a sci-fi story whose bad guys were called the 'grahams' because i couldn't think of a better name and i was eating graham crackers at the time (a practice i'm embarrassed to admit to still practicing: care to guess where the name 'ola' comes from?). (if ever i find those faded pages, i'll copy them down.) the point is, not everyone starts late: some start early. but, that doesn't mean it's worth reading, and the real story here is a kid finished a 544 page *novel*. short stories are *completely* unimpressive.

i'd probably have an ego, too. and with the money to go with it, i'd have completely self-destructed. he really can't win here. assuming he never grows into a great writer (which isn't assured by any means), but becomes just an average one, people will get bored with his fantasy novels, and he'll get a reality check if he expands out of sci-fi/fantasy. my advise for him is to invest well: people can be fooled by a kid, but now that he's 21 (according to his website), you're now playing with the big boys, and, like the saying goes, if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. we'll see if he proves capable of writing like an adult.

doesn't look good, i'm afraid, lol. you know, except for his money, fame, and women, i'd almost hate to be him. :)
 

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High school teachers are so used to kids who can't even put a coherent sentence together that when someone comes along with real talent, it's like they've discovered the next Shakespeare. Of course they want to encourage it, but they're not editors/publishers and they don't really know what to look for in a story. But sometimes they're right. Gordon Korman wrote his first book at 13, it was published by Scholastic (and read by me at 12--I was very awed and jealous and tried very hard to write a book of my own by age 13) and he's gone on to have a long and successful career as a writer of YA books.

One of the interesting things about Korman's books is that they're not fantasy. I believe someone else, either in this thread or one in the Novel Writers forum, pointed out that many young people write fantasy because they don't have experience with the real world and they can make everything up in fantasy. Korman wrote exactly what he knew about, two buddies in a boarding school, and the book (and all his other books) are believable, down to earth, and funny. Too bad that Eragon kid didn't do the same--his book might have been a lot better.
 

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I hope he's not reading any of these reviews. For a guy his age (he's 21 now, I believe), he probably couldn't handle the quick fame and criticism at the same time.
 

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well, he's still a kid. 'tolkien at his best'?

bwahahahahahahaha!

okay, he said he'll strive for that. and it's not unheard of for an author to strut around with a bit of arrogance. hopefully he won't go the way of the childhood star.

here are some of his other awesome projects:

~ young people with special abilities that causes people of their respective towns to fear and despise them retreat to a school for the 'gifted' where magicians train them to hone their skillz. an older rogue pops in every now and then to save the school from the local baron trying to destroy them and their ways. further complicating the situation is the rogue interfering with two of the teacher's love affair. will the main character discover the baron is the same person who killed his parents and gave him the scar on his arm in time?

~ aboard a giant flying ship on its maiden voyage, a virginal female thief stows away so she can reach home where her sick mother awaits for the special serum she's carrying from faraway lands. she starts to fall in love with a spoiled prince who's traveling with his witchy fiance who he has to marry in order to spare their kingdoms from war. the prince carries a dowry of a huge blue diamond with curing abilities. the magicians making the ship float in the clouds are tasked into making better speed when, out of the clouds, appears a tall rock spire ripping open the side of the vessal. the boat is going to go down in flames as onlookers gasp in horror, spouting sayings like, 'oh, the human toll of it all!'

~ after a strange magickally insipid, er, inspired storm which sends an impoverished ex-ranger and his trusty sidekick/pet pokibacca into a brightly coloured fantasy realm/alternate universal (aka 'the universal dream factory'), he finds himself the owner of a tavern in a war-torn land when his ex-girlfriend from his real life shows up with magickal abilities. troubles arise when the witch chasing her and her boyfriend, who suddenly shows up, tries to stop them from getting back to their world. in the end, though, the ranger decides to stay and face the witch after he puts his love and her fiance onboard a 'return dream spell.'

anyone seeing a pattern here?

Quick question, where you find those other "awesome projects" at?

First, one seems like I guess you could say Harry Potter influence although I thought immediately was X-Men.The second one is Titanic. And, I have no clue on the third one. Anyone have a guess? It would be sad if he could just keep ripping off other stories like this and still get the praise he has for his that and his awful flowery writing style.
 
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