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I've been monkeying with the beginning of my novel. It's crucial I get it as good as possible because . . . well, let's just say someone who could do good things for me wants to see it.

Simply, I want your reaction to the opening lines. Good, bad, or indifferent.

(When the reader picks up the novel he/she'll know from the blurb that it's a suspense set in Paris).

The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled high noon just as Hugo reached the end of the bridge. It seemed to him that the brittle air held onto the final clang longer than usual.

He paused and looked across the busy Paris street into Café Panis, the yellow carriage lights above its windows beckoning him in. He could see dim figures moving about inside, customers choosing tables and impatient waiters flitting around them like dancers. Hot coffee was tempting, but this was the first day of a vacation he didn’t want, with nothing to do and nowhere to go, and he didn’t much want to sit at a table by himself and think about that.

He hunched his shoulders and turned right onto Quai Montebello, leaving the café behind, heading north alongside the river. He glanced over the parapet as he walked, the growl of a motor launch floating up from below, the boat’s propellers thrashing at the icy waters of the Seine. On cold days like this he wondered how long a man could survive in the river’s oily waters, struggling against the deceptively strong current before succumbing to its frigid grip. It was a grim thought and one he quickly dismissed. After all, this was Paris; there was too much boat traffic, too many people like him admiring the river from its multitude of bridges, for a flailing man to go unnoticed for long.
 
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With all the references to the hunchback (Notre Dame, bells, Hugo, hunched shoulders), it actually felt sort of jokey-funny to me, like a humorous send-up of Hunchback of Notre Dame. But I'm not sure that's the tone you are going for. Interesting for sure, though.
 

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I liked it. I'd keep reading, but a few things jumped out at me. (Like SYW might be a better forum for this; more visibility)

The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled high noon just as Hugo cliche? Could work but...dunno reached the end of the bridge. It seemed to him that the brittle air held onto the final clang longer than usual.

He paused and looked across the busy
Paris The references to Paris get redundant. I noticed this here (we know we're not at the Notre Dame in Indiana, therefore another reference to Paris is not needed) and it gets to be a little too much later on street into Café Panis, is it necessary to name the cafe? See later comments on level of detail the yellow carriage lights above its windows beckoning him in. He could see To me, this is more "telly" than it has to be. Show me what he sees: "Dim figures moved about inside. . ." dim figures moving about inside, customers choosing tables and impatient waiters flitting around them Here, "them" refers to the tables and not the customers. Most readers will assume the most-recent antecedent for the pronoun like dancers. Hot coffee was tempting, but this was the first day of a vacation he didn’t want, Hmm... you've got me curious. Good! with nothing to do and nowhere to go, and he didn’t much want to sit at a table by himself and think about that.

He hunched his shoulders and turned right onto Quai Montebello, Is it important to provide this level of detail? Turning right, the name of the street? Especially the street name; we know it's Paris, to use too much detail detracts from the action and since I don't know what Quai Montebello is the detail tells me nothing. If it's important later, then it can be left in. leaving the café behind, heading north alongside the river. He glanced over the parapet as he walked, the growl of a motor launch floating up from below, the boat’s propellers thrashing at the icy waters of the Seine. Again, we know it's Paris. You don't need to remind us. Sorry if this sounds grumpy, but it's rubbing me wrong. On cold days like this he wondered how long a man could survive in the river’s oily waters, struggling against the
deceptively strong Not needed current before succumbing to its frigid grip. It was a grim thought and but one he quickly dismissed. After all, this was Paris; Oh yeah! This is Paris! I almost forgot! :) there was too much boat traffic, too many people like him admiring the river from its multitude of bridges, for a flailing man to go unnoticed for long.

I like it, and I would keep reading. Why was his vacation one he didn't want? He's not too happy about stuff, and I'd like to know why.
 

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Your ability to describe a scene is great. I caught the Hunchback reference as well with the name Hugo and it made me stop and consider it... I don't know if that's something you're going for as it took me out of your story and into another. I don't know that I wouldn't forego a lot of this description and just start with the contemplation which ends this portion. I was immediately interested to know why it was that he was considering something so morbid. Of course perhaps your painting of this rather idyllic Parisian scene is a set up to counter something dramatic and horrific which is soon to happen (I don't know at this point)... which would be a nice device aside from the fact that I have already been taken out of the story once because of it.

Again, I like your descriptive ability, you do put a person in a scene... but I better start getting wrapped up in something more than a Frommer's Travel Guide. :D
 

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With all the references to the hunchback (Notre Dame, bells, Hugo, hunched shoulders), it actually felt sort of jokey-funny to me, like a humorous send-up of Hunchback of Notre Dame. But I'm not sure that's the tone you are going for. Interesting for sure, though.


Exactly my reaction.
 

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Exactly my reaction.

Unfortunately, I have to second that. I would think it was readying itself to be a spoof. Is it?

The technique, your facility with language, is there, big time but I think you might use your cleverness inadvertently against yourself.

The most successful MTS American/European-in-Paris opening came from Allan Folsom in 1995's DAY AFTER TOMORROW. If I recall, the first paragraph "sold it" for 7 figures. If you haven't read it, you can take a look at the first few pages at Amazon.com in the Look Inside feature. Ultimately, genre books that open in/around Parisian cafes are compared to that one which, beyond the first pages, is good but not great... more of a sprawling adventure. The film rights sold for a fortune, too.
 

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Unfortunately, I have to second that. I would think it was readying itself to be a spoof. Is it?

Err, no. Sadly not.

The technique, your facility with language, is there, big time but I think you might use your cleverness inadvertently against yourself.

Thanks. And dammit. :)

The most successful MTS American/European-in-Paris opening came from Allan Folsom in 1995's DAY AFTER TOMORROW. If I recall, the first paragraph "sold it" for 7 figures. If you haven't read it, you can take a look at the first few pages at Amazon.com in the Look Inside feature. Ultimately, genre books that open in/around Parisian cafes are compared to that one which, beyond the first pages, is good but not great... more of a sprawling adventure. The film rights sold for a fortune, too.

Just read it and, well, wow. If that got the writer 7 figures I don't know what I'm doing. It did nothing much for me, 4 figures at the most. :)

But I'm interested that so many see all the allusions as too much, so I've chopped a few of them (squaring shoulders instead of hunching them, for example. Keep the opinions coming...!
 

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Just read it and, well, wow. If that got the writer 7 figures I don't know what I'm doing. It did nothing much for me, 4 figures at the most. :)

Well, that WAS 1995 when big advances were more common. These days I doubt he'd see a multi-million dollar check. It is one of those "grab you by the throat books" when, also, multi-country thrillers were hot stuff.

Suppress your tendancy to wink-wink in your prose and YOU'LL be the one waving the big advance check.;)
 

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I liked it in my quick read (first period class, no time), but I'd say to toss the second paragraph and just go straight to him wandering around. I saw cafe and thought okay, he's going in there to do something. Then he didn't go in and it was kind of like okay...so the only reason that paragraph existed was so you could tell me he was on a vacation he didn't want...

I liked the bell tolling, walking to some unknown location sorta thing without the interruption better because it kept me intrigued. :) I'd have kept reading, though I'm probably not the best judge of that sorta thing. I'll keep reading on things even if I didn't like it. But this was more I'd keep reading because the writing was good and it sounded interesting.
 

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I love it. :) Chris P has some good tweaks. To me it sets up story questions and foreshadowing, and in such a neat setting.

Honestly, the Hunchback of Notre Dame never once occurred to me until I read the comments here...
 

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I didn't think of the Hunchback, either, for what it's worth.
 

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I like the second paragraph, and I think I know why it's there, except:

  • If it's meant to show that Hugo doesn't feel capable of doing something pleasant, the people in the cafe need to be having more fun. Maybe a strolling violinist? And the waiters should be efficient, not impatient.
  • "Beckoning him in." "In" is redundant.
 

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Hot coffee was tempting, but this was the first day of a vacation he didn’t want, with nothing to do and nowhere to go, and he didn’t much want to sit at a table by himself and think about that.

Aside from the clunky sentence above — I had to reread it — and perhaps a bit heavy-handed foreshadowing — I can live with that — I enjoyed this excerpt.

Some don't seem to care for it, but I also enjoyed the specific references to Paris — street names, etc. It adds atmosphere and puts the reader there. To each his own. I will be gravely disappointed if someone doesn't end up in the 'frigid' Seine.

Bottom line: The atmosphere of Paris, the scene set, foreboding ... I'd read on.
 

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I liked it, but did think "Hunchback" with the Hugo name.

I would suggest losing the name of the cafe, but I didn't mind the other details. If the reader's been to Paris and knows the area your character's walking through, it's cool. If not, it still doesn't bother me.
 

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One thing you're doing wrong is too much filtering.

It seemed to him that the brittle air held onto the final clang longer than usual.

He's the POV character, so who else is it going to seem to? Just write: The brittle air held onto the final clang longer than usual. Or write: The brittle air seemed to hold the final clang longer than usual.

The next example is: He could see dim figures moving about inside, customers choosing tables and impatient waiters flitting around them like dancers.

Again, he's the POV character, so who else is going to see them? Just write: Dim figures moved about inside, customers choosing tables and impatient waiters flitting around them like dancers.
 

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Does the first paragraph work as a single sentence?

The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled noon as Hugo reached the end of the bridge, the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang longer than usual.


And can someone please give me the antidote to obsessing?!
 

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Does the first paragraph work as a single sentence?

The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled noon as Hugo reached the end of the bridge, the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang longer than usual.


And can someone please give me the antidote to obsessing?!
It's okay, but in my opinion it'd be better broken up into two sentences. I like "the brittle air seemed to hold onto the final clang longer than usual." It's an effective aural description that shouldn't be diminished with an "ing" format at the end of a longer sentence.

No antidote to obsessing!
 

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Does the first paragraph work as a single sentence?

The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled noon as Hugo reached the end of the bridge, the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang longer than usual.


And can someone please give me the antidote to obsessing?!

I think this works very well as a single sentence.
 

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The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled noon as Hugo reached the end of the bridge, the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang longer than usual.

Okay, if we're taking it to a vote, I'm for TWO sentences.

(or)

You could switch things something like this:

Just as Hugo reached the end of the bridge, the largest of Notre Dame's five bells tolled noon, the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang longer than usual.

I like the five bells 'tolling' followed directly by the 'final clang.'

Okay, so change my vote back to ONE sentence.

(or) ...
 
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I think I would leave off "longer than usual" because I get that idea from "the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang" I think it is more dramatic to end the sentence on the clang, sort of matches the idea of the sentence. I vote for one sentence.

The largest of Notre Dame’s five bells tolled noon as Hugo reached the end of the bridge; the brittle air seeming to hold onto the final clang.
 
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