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My PC (running on Windows XP) came with a gigantic Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 (766MB). The package includes: MO Publisher, Excel, InfoPath, Outlook, PowerPoint and Word. From this package I use Word and PowerPoint (only to open pps received in emails).

I don't see how I can remove those parts I never use.

I downloaded OpenOffice 3.2 plus LanguageTool (for the grammar checker) and I'm experimenting to see how it works. It works, so far.

Problem is, I can't have both. My disk space has shrunk considerably (only 4.37 GB left). OO's size, with Java and LanguageTool, is aprox. 400MB. I have to remove one of them. I'm tempted to get rid of MO 2003 (too large and underused). However, I need the PowerPoint. After I checked the net, I found out that OO offers PP for free.

Has anyone ever used PP from OO?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

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Just asking. Have you cleaned up your disk lately?

You can get a large external drive for less than $100 these days. You could move files you don't need to the external. You can save a lot of disk space if you have a lot of photos or videos on your computer.
 

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I think if you re-install MS Office, you can go to "custom installation" and only install the PowerPoint. However, I don't know if this is possible if your machine came with Office pre-installed or if you don't have the disks. Can you go to add/remove programs and see if it will let you uninstall components of office? (mine only lists Office, not the individual programs)

My daughter uses the Open Office Presentation (equiv of PP) and loves it. She hasn't mentioned any compatibility problems with PowerPoint docs from school, but I haven't used it myself.
 

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alleycat ~ yes, I just did it today. I even removed a couple of programs I never used. I "defragmented" the disk (is there such a word? you know what I mean, disk defragmen... whatever) The disk space reads the same. No, I don't have videos, but I stored some photos. Your suggestion -- to get an external drive -- is great. I'll check this in a store nearby. I guess I must plug this drive in a USB port?

Chris P ~ My machine came with a pre-installed Office. I don't have the disk. No, I can't remove/uninstall components. I checked. When I installed OO, it gave me this option, to customize, and I did it, choosing only the Write feature. I don't need the others. That's what I was thinking to do: download the Presentation from Open Office. How compatible would it be with the pps my friends send me, I have no idea. But if your daughter says she never had problems, then I shouldn't. I'll check again the Open Office site and see other comments related to this feature. It's not the end of the world if I can't see those pps -- I still can open them in my PC at work, but I don't always have the time. And it's nice to have it. Some of the pps with pictures of landscapes from around the world are gorgeous, really a feast for the eye and soul.

Speaking of pps -- do they use a lot of space? I saved some, but I think now that maybe I should delete them. They might be the hogs.


Thank you both

Adagio

ETA: You see, I'm so used to Microsoft Word that I'm a little fearful to just ... remove it. It's like losing an old friend. On the other hand, this Open Office is very nice; it's the excitement to play with something new. And, so far, I can copy text from my old files and past it in OO files.
 
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alleycat -- unrelated to the topic. Your avatars are soooo cute! I'm always looking to seeing some new cat popping up when you post. We love cats, don't we?
 

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I guess I must plug this drive in a USB port?
Yeah, it's a pretty simple hookup these days. Generally your computer will recognize the drive without even having to reboot.

If your computer is relatively new, you could replace the hard drive itself to one larger. It's not that hard to do.
 
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My comp is not new. I'm planning to buy a new one, eventually a laptop, more powerful, and with a bigger screen. Until then, I'm still using this. Problem is, Microsoft does automatic updates and I can see that each update has its size. Wondering whether the updates replace the old ones or pile up, eating space.

And something else: when I open OO, it lists the components: Text Doc., Presentation, Database Templates, Open Doc., Spreadheets, Drawing, Formula. I did NOT select Presentation, Spreadsheets, Drawing. Why are they there? And Presentation must be the feature Chris P mentioned. Hum. I should uninstall/reinstall, I guess, to make sure that I don't get those components I will not use.

Ah well, more headaches.
 
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Hey Adagio,

It's been a long time since I used Office 2003 so I may be wrong, but I think you can choose to remove some components. If you go into the control panel, and Add/Remove Programs, then click once on the entry there for Office 2003 do you see an option listed to "change" the product? If so select that and you should get something like a tree view of what's installed. You can choose to remove components you don't need.

On your question as to patching Office, when new Updates are installed, the old update is removed (it's superseded). However, depending on which version of MSI (Microsoft Installer) you have installed, Installer may be cacheing a copy of the old patches. This is so that if you uninstall the latest update you get rolled back to the previous update.
 

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Even for an older computer you can replace the hard drive. The hard part (as in time consuming) is installing the OS and all your applications on the new drive.

Is this a desktop? If so you can ADD an extra internal hard drive and have lots of extra disk space. They're cheap.

What size is the drive you have now? What else is on it?
 

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~ PEBKAC - I'll look into everything you suggested as soon as I get home. I'm at work now. I'd never change/remove programs -- I mean by that, I removed programs but never "changed" or removed components. And I don't know what version of MSI it's in there.

~ benbradley - It's a desktop. I've got it for free (minus monitor) from my workplace when they changed our workstations. I had to install the OP and other components -- that was, I think, in 2007. I don't mind buying an external hard drive. Alleycat has assured me that the hookup is simple. To replace the hard, however, with what it entails, I need to hire someone. I can't do it myself. With that cost I'd rather buy something new.

If I decide to keep this one, I'll have to buy a modern screen. Mine is a bulky CRT, heavy and really really old. Sits on top of the machine and takes space on the table I'm using as desk, and it's so heavy!

I'll get back with more details tonight.

Thank you very much,

Adagio
 

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Maybe I'm behind the times, but can you run programs (such as MS Office and Open Office) from an external hard drive?

We have one (500 GB or 1 TB, I don't remember) on our old timey desktop, and we use it to store pics, music, video, etc and leave the internal hard drive (50 GB, or something ridiculously small) to execute the programs. It would probably speed things up to run the big programs from the external, but I was under the impression that you couldn't do that unless you configed the external as the boot drive and moved all the basic programs to it. *breaks into cold sweat and just knows it'll erase everything he's ever done*
 

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What size is the drive you have now? What else is on it?

Total size 18.6GB
Used: 14.2GB
Free: 4.36

Intell Pentium, 547MHz 384MB of RAM
No printer
Windows XP
Besides Microsoft Office 2003 (from which I removed components like Excel, Publisher but it still shows 766MB), I have Open Office (did the same, removed components, it shows the same size 358MB).
Also Adobe Reader 9.2 - quite big, 142MB
Java TM 6 - 97.15MB
Malwarebytes - 4.07MB
Mozila - 28.32MB
Two media players, Internet Explorer, WordWeb (13MB) ... and a couple of other things none exceeding 4-5MB.
I saved pictures and a couple of pps, and some music, but not much, a couple of tunes. No videos.

I was able to open a pps with Open Office. I only wonder why MOS didn't shrink after I removed those components? Ditto with Open Office.

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Chris P said:
Maybe I'm behind the times, but can you run programs (such as MS Office and Open Office) from an external hard drive?

I think so, but never tried before. [*breaks into cold sweat, feels like :Hammer:]

To me, it's obvious that I have to get rid of one of the writing programs.

Thank you all for your suggestions,

:gone:
 

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OMG, you have any money at all to buy a new machine with? That's got to be a ten-year-old system. The cheapest new computer you can find (such as a $199 netbook) will beat the pants off that thing.

So this is a desktop machine? If you buy this 40 GB drive for $20, I could probably talk you through installing it. It would become your "D:" drive and would be in addition to the drive already in your computer:
http://www.pcprogress.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=WL40ATA100-54

Do you have/do backups? You REALLY, REALLY should, for a drive that old.
 

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18.6 GB is microscopic in today's world of drives. You can get a 500 GB hard drive for $100 these days. Yeah, newer programs require more drive space; that's not news. It's been like that for thirty years now. You're just not going to be happy with an 18.6 GB drive, and there's no getting around that.

caw
 

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If I were wearing your shoes, I'd probably buy an external HDD as a temporary solution while saving some money to put into a new system. You can always use the external HDD for whatever system – laptop or desktop – you acquire in the future, and much more easily than if you install a new internal drive.

For about fifty bucks, and the ease of external HD plug-n-play...

Hitachi 250GB
(Just make sure you have 2USB ports close to one another in case you need dual-plug power, standard issue for most of these things.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145321
$49.99

Cirago 200GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822242018
$48.99
 

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Java

You might possibly have more than one version of Java on your machine, too.

Unfortunately, anytime you install a newer version of something with a run-time version of Java included, the older version stays on your disk. At least, I think so. I use the complete Java package (not just the run-time version), and every time I update, I have to remove the older version.

It might be worth checking.
 

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You poor thing. I don't even have a drive partition that small any more :(

But something is taking up all that space. What? Office and Windows could hardly be using more than a third of it. What is taking all the rest?

Do you have a lot of music and/or photos?

Did you clean up really thoroughly? (defragging does not free up any space)

Is your computer configured to hibernate? That makes a big useless file.

This is the ninth anniversary of my first computer, The Thang. Mr. Thingy had a 380MB hard drive.
 

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Do you use Crap Cleaner? It's a great tool that will go through and get rid of random temporary files, clean your registry, delete your cache, and things like that. It should free up at least a little bit of space.

It's just a stop-gap measure, though. As everyone else has said -- you're going to need to get a bigger harddrive.
 

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Check your default download folder, too. You may find a ton of old .exe or .zip files from downloading and updating programs. They can take up a lot of space.
 

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Do you use Crap Cleaner? It's a great tool that will go through and get rid of random temporary files, clean your registry, delete your cache, and things like that. It should free up at least a little bit of space.

It's just a stop-gap measure, though. As everyone else has said -- you're going to need to get a bigger harddrive.

Thank you ! It was great, indeed. It did free up some space on the disk.
I'm shopping around. Problem is -- I juggle a couple of big projects: a washer, a trip to Europe (not for vacation but for an emergency), dishwasher repairing, computer, an air-conditioner ... and a couple of smaller ones. That's why I'm still "abusing" the old computer until that day comes!
 

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Check your default download folder, too. You may find a ton of old .exe or .zip files from downloading and updating programs. They can take up a lot of space.

I thought about it. But how can I access the default download folder? Truth to tell, I'm very tired at the moment and I can't think straight. I see this download box popping up all the time but how can I access it?
I know, I'm one of those.

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Wow, I had a 20-GB-hard drive desktop way back in 2001, and it broke when we tried to mail it from Puerto Rico to Florida, and then I got a 60-GB desktop. I never had problems with my hard drive because I wouldn't usually download anything onto it like say music or videos or anything... that was in 2002. I would only keep the files that I created, mostly word-processor files. :) On my previous laptop I had an 80-gb hard drive and I would store lots of videos, but when I got this one which has 250 gb of hard drive space, I decided not to store music or videos on it, since I have an MP3 player with all my favorite songs on it, 194 songs total, so I don't think I have to download any more music, and videos, forget it. I decided only to keep the files I've created, word-processor files, like I used to do on my other computers, and only download when a program needs an update. :)


I hope you find a good way to clean out your hard drive space while you get a new computer. :)

Magali.