censorship and DaVinci Code

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*SPOILER ALERT*

So I see on the news that the studio producing the movie to Dan Brown's mega-hit got cold feet, after shooting began BTW, about the subject matter in the novel. Specifically they're afraid of a couple religious issues, primarily the premise that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and fathered a child. I don't know what changes they may have already made, but they are supposedly consulting religious leaders on how to either soften or replace this part of the story.

As was discussed in another thread, the controversial claims made in the book about the Catholic Church were part of the reason that made the story so fascinating. I wonder how much they'll change the story, how much Ron Howard or Tom Hanks may fight it, and what Brown thinks of it. Personally I'd be pissed if it were my book. I'm pissed already and I didn't even write the damn thing. I realize studios invest a lot more money in producing a film than a publisher does printing copies of a book, and therefore try to hedge their bets, but you would think some things would be obvious to studios: the controversy was a huge part of the story, the story sold gazillions, maybe we should not change things.

This fiasco makes me more comfortable in the "novel" world than the "screenplay" world. Screenplays are too collaborative, with too many finger prints on the final product, too many egos, and too many opinions. Usually the person with the most money wins, leaving the writer helpless as his/her baby gets re-invented, or massacred, WTCMB. At least when writing a novel, though you have to cut significant scenes out, I think you have an opportunity to get way more of your story out, controversial or not, than you do with movies. Why publishers are less worried about religious groups potentially picketing or boycotting them because of controversial material is a mystery to me, but I'm glad they got more cajones than studios.
 

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I have no idea if your sources are accurate, but let's look at the facts -

"Book posits that Jesus was a sexual being who sired children with a woman who the Catholic Church has identified as a whore."

Director of movie is Opie, from Mayberry - Richie Cunningham from Happy Days.

Lead actor is Tom Hanks - the most cinnemon sweetened, apple pie actor since Jimmy Stewart.

This is obviously an example of that other cherished American virtue - greed. Movie studio sees best selling novel. Hires big name director and actor to depict said blockbuster. Everybody signs on because there's butt-loads of money to be made.

Only after shooting starts does it dawn on all idiots involved, that the subject matter is about as taboo as it gets, and enormously offensive to legions of dogmatic moviegoers. OOPS!

SOLUTION: Disnify the plot to the point of Pocahonts, and pray to the virgin Jeus that somebody will actually come to watch the trainwreck. ]


Let's all sign away our movie rights! It's good, and good for you :)
 

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Many years ago, James M. Cain (author of The Postman Always Rings Twice and Double Indemnity) was asked what he thought of what Hollywood had done to his books.

Hollywood hasn't done anything to my books, he said. Look, they're right there on the shelf.

Or look at the James Bond films -- based on the titles of novels by Ian Fleming. Or Starship Troopers, loosely based on the back-cover blurb of a book by Robert Heinlein. Hollywood changes books when making them into movies? That's not breaking news.

(Besides, they already made a movie of The DaVinci Code: They called it National Treasure and it starred Nicholas Cage.)
 
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LOL UJ - that's exactly what I was thinking. National Treasure was good, too.

Fine, let them make Angels and Demons into a movie - that ones MUCH less controversial.. or maybe we're not far enough away from the last Conclave to do that one yet.
 

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Well, as much as DaVinci Code gets bashed around here, I still think it's ridiculous to hire Ron Howard for the movie. They stood to make this thing a blow-out on par with Exorcist or Jaws, but no. Let's give it to Richie Cunningham.

What's next?

"Lolita" adapted to Nickelodion?

"The Shining" as an animated after school special?

At some point, you have to drop the old "well, the books are there on the shelf" routine, and admit that these idiots need to be slapped in the head.
 

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that's why I switched form writing screenplays to writing novels...too many idiots, and self-serving suits get pulled into the loop.

I'm just waiting for Hollywood to serve up 'Aliens: the Musical'
 

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Mistook said:
Well, as much as DaVinci Code gets bashed around here, I still think it's ridiculous to hire Ron Howard for the movie. They stood to make this thing a blow-out on par with Exorcist or Jaws, but no. Let's give it to Richie Cunningham.

What's next?

"Lolita" adapted to Nickelodion?

"The Shining" as an animated after school special?

At some point, you have to drop the old "well, the books are there on the shelf" routine, and admit that these idiots need to be slapped in the head.

Your knowledge of ron Howard's post-Happy Days career seems a bit sketchy. That was 30 years ago, and since then, he's become one of the most successful directors in Hollywood.

Writers sell their books to Hollywood for one reason: lots of $$. Once you sign your rights away, it's no longer yours to ***** about.
 

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I won't be surprised if they changed the story and sugarcoated everything. This is, after all, Opie. I don't think Tom Hanks would back down, but Opie would easily buckle under pressure. I think it's a shame because if you strip away the conspiracy and the religious stuff, the Da Vinci Code is a BORING thriller with nothing to offer.
 

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Sassenach said:
Your knowledge of ron Howard's post-Happy Days career seems a bit sketchy. That was 30 years ago, and since then, he's become one of the most successful directors in Hollywood.

He's still mostly known for his sappy melodramas that shy away from controversies.
 

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maestrowork said:
I think it's a shame because if you strip away the conspiracy and the religious stuff, the Da Vinci Code is a BORING thriller with nothing to offer.

Precisely! That's what made it an interesting book. If they neuter the conspiracy out of it, you might as well just rename the movie to something else starring the characters of the book. It won't be the DaVinci Code any more.
 

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Garpy said:
I'm just waiting for Hollywood to serve up 'Aliens: the Musical'

The Simpsons did a take on that, by turning Planet of the Apes into a musical ("Dr. Zayus, Dr. Zayus" yadda yadda yadda). I practically roll on the floor when that particular episode comes on (I think it's the one where the Simpsons head to Branston, Missouri).

Back to your regularly scheduled topic... :)

~Nancy
 

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maestrowork said:
because if you strip away the conspiracy and the religious stuff, the Da Vinci Code is a BORING thriller with nothing to offer.

Take away the object the heroes are after (the religious stuff) as well as the baddies that chase after them (the conspirators) and DV is boring? Well, yeah, but what thriller works without goals and antagonists? Silence of the Lambs is like a two-hour CSI episode if you take away the cannibalism aspect. Still probably good, but nothing compared to the actual movie.
 

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For me, novels involving controversial themes always remind me of the Oscars. The rule being, if an actor plays a character that's somehow different from the norm, he can start dusting off his award shelf. I think the same logic can apply to these kinds of novels. Whether they're good, bad or just so-so doesn't even come into the equation.

I read DV when it first came out, lo-o-ong before the controversy forced Dan onto the speaking circuit to explain to reading clubs and church groups how he was indeed a Christian and wasn't malevolent in any way, shape or form. I bought the book for two simple reasons: I liked Dan's previous books and this one had the words "Da Vinci" and "Code" in the title. And despite everyone's verve for attacking the 800 pound gorilla of the day, I quite liked DV. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad, either. At the time I thought it was about as controversial as an Indiana Jones movie. But then I forgot we were talking about the same "people" who thought Tinky Winky was gay. <sigh>
 

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How funny is that? This occurred to them after filming started? Someone wasn't eating their Wheaties or even staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

What did they think the movie was going to be about?
 

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Christine N. said:
Yeah, Tom Hanks would probably do something like that. He did a heck of a job in "Philadelphia".

Trying to think of a Ron Howard movie that was controversial.... nope.

24 was fairly unconventional, althoigh he does tend to do 'apple pie' content. And if the book has become such a big hit I guess middle America isn't that worried about the sang rail idea. I would think that it would be too much trouble to take it out entirely as it pins down the whole plot.
 
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I see it was on the news today that Westminster Abbey refused permission to film there so Lincoln Cathedral (perhaps it needs the money) has allowed itself to be 'done up' to look like the Abbey. So when the film comes out that's what you'll see. I wonder if Lincoln Cathedral is a member of Equity?
 

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I went searching and read a few news articles about what's going on. Apparently it's true that the studio is consulting with the church to find a way to "soften" the plot, or make it "more ambiguous". It's also being discussed that they change the name of Opus Dei, to something fictional.

It just strikes me as incredibly silly. I mean, here we have this novel that depicts the church as an organization that likes to cover things up, and here they are in real life, trying to cover things up!

But even more silly is... who would watch a neutered version of this movie? The huge fanbase for the novel wouldn't bother to see it, and at the same time "the devout" aren't going to see it no matter what changes have been made.
 

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Sorry, Mistook, but I'm a huge fan of the book and I still plan on seeing it, unless there are new changes even more gross than the ones already planned. I think most of the fans of the book will also still go see it. Most of them probably won't even know about the watering down of the story going into it. Call us suckers but I'm dying to see this damn thing.

Though I think Tom Hanks is too old for the part. Great actor, but doesn't meet my particular mental picture of Langdon. What if Brown does another Langdon book, and the studios decide to film that one as well as the first book Angels and Demons? Hanks will be pushing sixty for a character that to me seemed to be mid-thirties or forty at the most. And he always hooked up with a young hottie. That's one of my biggest pet peeves in movies, having a way older male hooking up with a way younger female. Just doesn't happen that often in real life. And when it does, it's usually because either he's rich and/or famous, or she's a stripper. Doesn't happen when the guy in a symbiologist or numerologist.

I actually don't mind Ron Howard as a director and enjoyed his take on Apollo. But I would have loved to have seen how someone like Tarantino would have done this book; not for slash and thrash effect, but I think he would have come up with more creative ways to include the backstory (without bringing the narrative to a stop) than most directors could. That's part of the reason movies are seldom as good as the book IMO; because back stories have no room in film without turning the movie into a four-hour crawler.

And this brings me back to my original comment on this thread: I'm more satisfied with the "novel" world than the "screenplay" world insofar as I can get most of my story out. That is, I will be satisfied when I finally get freakin' published.
 
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gp101 said:
And this brings me back to my original comment on this thread: I'm more satisfied with the "novel" world than the "screenplay" world insofar as I can get most of my story out. That is, I will be satisfied when I finally get freakin' published.

Which is why I've never wanted to do anything other than write. Yup, I'm in total agreement with you there.

Course, I have the added 'thing' of being an anti-social grumpy old woman at the grand old age of 29, so perhaps it's best I work on my own.:)
 

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In defense of Opie, the world has changed somewhat since the book came out. The religious forces in America have stepped up quite a bit and the media has taken to censoring itself far more than it had been doing. (Rerun episodes of "The Family Guy" make that perfectly clear, where scenes that ran unedited a few years back now have to be cut.) Granted, Ron Howard was never going to take a stand to defend an offensive story. But it's much more of an uphill battle than it used to be. And if Brown ever thought that he was going to get any kind of satisfaction out of the movie, other than the big fat check, he was out of his mind. It's still Hollywood, gang.
 

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In defense of Opie, the world has changed somewhat since the book came out. The religious forces in America have stepped up quite a bit and the media has taken to censoring itself far more than it had been doing. (Rerun episodes of "The Family Guy" make that perfectly clear, where scenes that ran unedited a few years back now have to be cut.) Granted, Ron Howard was never going to take a stand to defend an offensive story. But it's much more of an uphill battle than it used to be. And if Brown ever thought that he was going to get any kind of satisfaction out of the movie, other than the big fat check, he was out of his mind. It's still Hollywood, gang.

Sorry, but then he shouldn't have taken on the project. There are plenty of less controversial projects out there for him to direct. And plenty of other people would have loved to direct it.
 

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But that's what I'm saying, M. It was a different world when he took it on. If you want to take him to task for not bowing out when the going got tough, that's a different story. But to say he should never have taken it on isn't really fair. Nor is it really mindful of the reality of making big-budget movies.
 

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As a slight aside, everyone here is aware that the "Priory of Sion", the cabal supposed to have been guarding the Big Secret for a thousand years, is a complete hoax generated in the 20th Century (having been openly admitted to by the hoaxers, who did it mainly as a lark)?

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My apologies in advance in saying this to those that loved the book, but imo The Da Vinci Code, while an interesting premise, just was not very well written. There are scads of thrillers out there that are much better written by much better novelists and with more compelling characters and stories. This book took off "because" of the controversial plot and it is really the only thing that it has going for it. There is no way that they can soften the plot and still remain, even somewhat true, to the story line, because the marriage of Jesus to Mary Magdalene and it's cover up by the church, is the entire point of the book. Anything else and it would just be another "Ron and Tom's Excellent Adventure"

If Howard and his financiers feel that the controversy will hamper their reputations - and worse yet their bottom line, then they should relinquish their rights and let someone else who is willing to gamble that the public would like to see a movie that is true to the story line and let the Church and other censors go hang. Or better yet, allow the admonishments of the Church and censors to do all the movie's free publicity. Nothing like telling everyone not to do something - and then seeing them do it in droves.
 
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