Highest Earning in Examiner.com

etrader · Mar 7, 2010

As long discussed, Examiner.com has the highest pay rate ($10/1000PV). I see that there are many people who have written 1000 articles. For a good content, a pageview of 10/day is not unusual. Thus, an examiner with 1000 articles should have daily revenue of $100, which means $3,000 monthly.

I'm just curious to know if it has been happened?

wyntermoon · Mar 7, 2010

This will find a better audience in the SEO forum -- porting now.

veinglory · Mar 7, 2010

When I left Examiner there payrate was lower than that and I doubt it has gone up since then.

etrader · Mar 7, 2010

veinglory said:
When I left Examiner there payrate was lower than that and I doubt it has gone up since then.

why you left Examiner? It's a rapidly growing business, and everyday attracts more writers and visitors!

cllorentson · Mar 8, 2010

It would have to be 10 page views per article, per day, to make $3000 a month with 1000 articles. You would have to average 10,000 page views a day, total. I don't think there are that many examiners hitting those kinds of averages.

Maybe the Twilight Examiner.

veinglory · Mar 8, 2010

etrader said:
why you left Examiner? It's a rapidly growing business, and everyday attracts more writers and visitors!

Because the pay was low and sinking fast, as was the average quality of writing. Predictably they never even paid me the small amount I had earned.

etrader · Mar 8, 2010

veinglory said:
Because the pay was low and sinking fast, as was the average quality of writing. Predictably they never even paid me the small amount I had earned.

You quoted three points:

1. Low pay rate; I disagree, $10/1000PV is quite good in this market. Websites with PPC scheme usually pay $1-3/1000PV.
2. Low quality of the content; I agree, it is not well edited, probably as it publishes many articles.
3. Cheating on payment; I have no idea about it, what was their excuse not to pay your balance?

etrader · Mar 8, 2010

cllorentson said:
It would have to be 10 page views per article, per day, to make $3000 a month with 1000 articles. You would have to average 10,000 page views a day, total. I don't think there are that many examiners hitting those kinds of averages.

Maybe the Twilight Examiner.

I have seen people who have more than 1000 articles on examiner.com, and 10PV/day is not unlikely for a good content. I'm just curious if someone has made such money by examiner.com. This business cannot be the permanent job for a writer, but if it has happened on examiner ... then ... and note that the writer will have this guaranteed salary forever

cllorentson · Mar 8, 2010

etrader said:
... I'm just curious if someone has made such money by examiner.com...

As I said before, maybe the Twilight Examiner has made that kind of money. She would have the audience for that many page views, because she's writing about a topic that is popular enough to garner 10,000 page views a day.

I'm not sure exactly what her page views per day are, but I'm sure they're up there. She consistently ranks as one of the top five most popular Examiners each day.

But just having 1000 articles posted, even if they are good quality, will not in itself guarantee you 10,000 hits a day. And it IS about page views per day for your whole body of work on Examiner. Some articles will be more popular than others...and some of your articles may not even get a hit at all.

veinglory · Mar 8, 2010

1. Low pay rate; I disagree, $10/1000PV is quite good in this market. Websites with PPC scheme usually pay $1-3/1000PV.

Thet don't pay $10/1000PV
Even if they did I would consider that a low rate.

3. Cheating on payment; I have no idea about it, what was their excuse not to pay your balance?

They aren't cheating, they just have a rule that if you become innactive they don't pay you the balance owed.

I calculated that I certainly make much more (per word and/or per hour) working on my books than writing for companies like this. I even make more writing for my own blogs with basic adsense on them. So that is what I chose to do.

Your calculations are overly optimistic on pay rate and hit rate. So until you can report that you are actually making that money I will stick with my own direct experience of this and similar companies (i.e. pretty much a waste of time if you can write well enough to sell via other vendors, including your own blog).

As for a guaranteed salary forever, well--no, as soon as you become innactive you become inelligable for payout. Unlike my ebooks which will earn even if I am in a coma and get me a check in the mail every month when Examiner earned me exactly nothing.

Edited to add: It seems you have been with Examiner a while yourself, so you should not need estimates. How many hits per story do you get? And how many pennies per hit? Because those are your two main assumptions and you have actual data to replace them with.

etrader · Mar 8, 2010

I didn't know about this rule that they do not pay to inactive writers; this is really bad, and I did not see such rule in similar companies.

I consider examiner with high pay rate, because when you write an ebook, you do not have flexibility; but in such short articles, you can write about a new topic everyday. For personal blogs with adsense, the revenue is usually about $1-3.

Yes, I've tried examiner like many similar systems. However, my experience is limited to few articles; while when you have more articles, at least inter-links make a better SEO. Anyway, for you reference, I usually have a 2-4 PV for an article with an average pay rate of $8-9/1000.

Shadow_Ferret · Mar 8, 2010

I'm not sure where you're getting $10/1000. It's a penny a view, basically. Which is really a crap payrate if you think about it.

Plus, people don't go and view all 1000 of your articles. They usually view the latest one.

I average less than $1 a day and since they only pay you if you've accumulated $20, I sometimes go a couple months without a paycheck.

veinglory · Mar 8, 2010

Right. So for a start the pay is currently $8-9/1000, not ten--and the views per story are 2-4, not 10. So instead of $100 dollars per day for that 500,000 words or so it is maybe $20 a day. Less than that while you write that article a day for almost three years or so, hoping Examiner will not go bust or reduce the payrate even more.

If you like write for Examiner and do it for fun, great. If you are writing for money there are sure ways to turn 500,000 words into a lot more money than that. I have been through it with Today.com and Examiner and now put my energy into books and my own blogs which do earn about the same as my work for Examiner did (combining adsense, CMF and PW).

Horses for courses, of course. But Examiner is not a no brainer. You have to be smart to make good money at it.

etrader · Mar 9, 2010

Shadow_Ferret said:
I'm not sure where you're getting $10/1000.
Plus, people don't go and view all 1000 of your articles. They usually view the latest one.

The main source of traffic is search engines. Thus, people come to an article directly from search engines, and no matter that the writer has one or 1000 articles. 1000 articles just increased the probability of pageviews.

veinglory said:
Right. So for a start the pay is currently $8-9/1000, not ten--and the views per story are 2-4, not 10.

I said that I am not active there; an active writer with 1000 articles make good backlinks to the articles which is a key factor in SEO. Thus, page view can be more. Frankly, I believe that sooner or later they will reduce their pay rate; and this is the reason that I consider sites like suite101 more stable.

veinglory said:
If you are writing for money there are sure ways to turn 500,000 words into a lot more money than that. I have been through it with Today.com and Examiner and now put my energy into books and my own blogs which do earn about the same as my work for Examiner did (combining adsense, CMF and PW).

You frequently quoted 'publishing books', what kind you mean? ebooks or printed? could you please explain possible opportunities in this business. Honestly, I have no idea about it, as I came to this market from the internet side.

P.S. I have no experience with CMR and PW. I think adsense is enough for the ads of a blog, if well organized throughout the page.

veinglory · Mar 9, 2010

The main source of traffic is search engines. Thus, people come to an article directly from search engines, and no matter that the writer has one or 1000 articles. 1000 articles just increased the probability of pageviews.

Yes, but Ferret is right, Your pageview estimate was not well-founded and almost certainly too high for the average Examiner.

I said that I am not active there; an active writer with 1000 articles make good backlinks to the articles which is a key factor in SEO. Thus, page view can be more. Frankly, I believe that sooner or later they will reduce their pay rate; and this is the reason that I consider sites like suite101 more stable.

I am increasingly confused as to why you started a new thread on how great Examiner is for writers when it seems you are not even pursuing this strategy yourself?

You frequently quoted 'publishing books', what kind you mean? ebooks or printed? could you please explain possible opportunities in this business. Honestly, I have no idea about it, as I came to this market from the internet side.

I actually never said "publishing books". If you want to see what books I write their are links in my sig line. I also write textbooks under another name.

P.S. I have no experience with CMR and PW. I think adsense is enough for the ads of a blog, if well organized throughout the page.

Have you tried the other networks? I assure you that some blogs will make more if they use a different service or use several services.

I am actually quite curious as to why you started this thread using calculations your own experiences don't support, promoting a strategy you are apparently not going to follow yourself. Generally people give advice based on facts they know or things they have tried. It is on that basis I suggest people use Examiner if they enjoy it, not expecting much real profit unless they can really work the system.

etrader · Mar 9, 2010

Maybe the threat title should be "how much is the highest earning in examiner.com"

As I said before, I wrote few articles and just left them. Since I got 2-4 pageviews for each articles, I thought that people who actively promote their articles can get 10 pageviews/day (as I myself did for some blogs). Since there are examiners who have more than 1000, I started this thread to see if there is such case.

And my main problem with examiner.com is their poor tracking system (compared to suite101).

Actually, I already explored your blog and writings which are on your own name

For instance, when you write 40 articles (each 500 words), it definitely has some visitors based on SEO as people find your keywords through search engines. However, audience of your ebook (20,000 words) should decide about the title and description to read this story. Thus, I believe writing short articles on web have guaranteed visitors if the SEO is OK. Correct me if I am wrong.

veinglory · Mar 9, 2010

Anything is okay if you have reasonable expectations and pick that as your goal. They highest earner is most likely the Twilight Examiner who may make about what you estimate.

etrader · Mar 9, 2010

veinglory said:
Anything is okay if you have reasonable expectations and pick that as your goal. They highest earner is most likely the Twilight Examiner who may make about what you estimate.

In my personal opinion, Twilight is not a good topic at all, as it is not evergreen, and sooner or later it loses its audience.

P.S. I forgot to say on my previous post; I have a good experience with Chitika. For search engine visitors only, it provides high paying ads (usually $0.11 per click).

herdon · Mar 9, 2010

The current rate is around $9/1000. And despite what some people are saying in this thread, that is rather good for these type of sites.

Comparing it to sites that pay on a different scheme or on something completely unrelated like writing books is irrelevant -- it also doesn't pay as well as being an NFL football player, what's the big whoop?

Examiner can pay much more than other content sites for the right writer. If you know how to write for a site that pays based on page views/revenue, you can earn as much or more than flat fee sites and have more flexibility.

If you don't know how to write for that type of site, you'll likely only get pennies per day no matter how much work you put into it.

You also don't need a "buzz" topic to make money. In fact, plain topics can be much better so long as they lend themselves to Evergreen content.

The only real worry with Examiner.com is that the HQ staff doesn't always seem to know what they are doing, which leads to things like Google News problems and even problems getting into Google SERPS -- the Examiner.com website is piss poor for a content web portal.

veinglory · Mar 9, 2010

No one said it isn't good for that type of sites, just that it isn't good (probably below minimum wage for almost all contributors). And comparing it to other sources of income seems relevant to me. Writing erotic or self-help ebooks is not NFL, writing your own blog and sticking your ads on it isn't even nerfball.

Most content sites, IMHO, are simply exploitative and, in the age of blogging platforms, redundant. especially when the content site isn't run by people who know much about... running a content site.

Shadow_Ferret · Mar 9, 2010

herdon said:
The current rate is around $9/1000. And despite what some people are saying in this thread, that is rather good for these type of sites.

Comparing it to sites that pay on a different scheme or on something completely unrelated like writing books is irrelevant -- it also doesn't pay as well as being an NFL football player, what's the big whoop?

Who is comparing it to an NFL player? I'm comparing it to writing. Essentially, the examiner, and most of these types of sites, are getting quality writing for free. They're ripping us off. If you're content to provide 500 words a day for pennies, that's fine. But let's not pretend it's a pro-market.

veinglory · Mar 9, 2010

etrader said:
In my personal opinion, Twilight is not a good topic at all, as it is not evergreen, and sooner or later it loses its audience.

There is something to be said for cash now IMHO.

veinglory · Mar 9, 2010

Shadow_Ferret said:
But let's not pretend it's a pro-market.

Which is exactly what Examiner did by telling their early adopters they were not bloggers, they were Journalists. Uh-huh. Okay. Having been through the mill (literally) at a few content sites I don't see Examiner as better or worse than the rest of them overall. Slightly less obnoxious than Today, rather less effective than About, significantly more clueless than Suite.

IMHO anyone wanting to develop a real income stream from writing should probably look elsewhere. With a few niche exceptions. A writer wanting to earn jam money, have fun, and not interested in do-it-yourself blogging can have fun there. But you are bascially letting the owners run an author mill and then thanking them for it.... (a bit like the old piecework factories of the Victorian era).

veinglory · Mar 9, 2010

http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2010/03/guest-blog-post-content-mills-why.html

etrader · Mar 9, 2010

veinglory said:
http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2010/03/guest-blog-post-content-mills-why.html

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