What he didn't yet know . . .

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How effective do you find the sort of writing that goes along the lines of "What he didn't yet know . . ."?

By this I mean when the author is writing in proper narrative and is following the same time-line throughout, but suddenly cuts in with little snippets of the future-to-come that is, as of yet, unknown to the MC.

In 1st person POV I've seen it in terms of "That was the last time I saw my daughter alive" or "If only Jack had the good senses to reveal his secret to me then while I was still neck-deep in the investigation. It would be another month before I found out." (Sorry, I can't remember where these are from. I think the first one is Stephen King, but I'm having trouble remembering the author of the second one.)

These work fairly well in 1st person as it builds an excitement or anticipation for something to come. But have you found that it works equally well in 3rd Omni?

"He dismissed the obscure lithographs as the musings of a madman. Their intoxicating portrayals of life lived in agony would not be recognizable to him until after his final encounter with the Devil."

I realize it all depends on the story, but if in the above scenario we aren't even supposed to be aware that "he" is about to meet the Devil, would that feel like giving away too much prematurely?
 
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How effective do you find the sort of writing that goes along the lines of "What he didn't yet know . . ."?
Not at all. It's enough to make me wallbang the book and find something that doesn't aspire to clairvoyance in its narrator.
 

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I hate it. In a what-a-f*cking-cop-out sort of way.
 

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I don't like it. It usually jolts me out of the story, and though I'll continue reading, there'll invariably be a bad taste that follows the rest of the novel.
 

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I don't mind it, but given the choice between a book written with it and a book written without, I'll go for "without" every time. :)
 

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I really like it, actually, when it's used sparingly. I think it works better in books that aren't as grounded in reality as they could be.
 

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I'm with Adam. It usually doesn't bother me (some people are rather heavy-handed with it), but I'd probably prefer not to have any in a book. That being said, I could see having one instance in a book being a good suspense builder under the right circumstances.
 

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First Person . . . it's just the character talking to the audience in a more direct manner.

In Third Person this is Intrusive Narrator. It makes the narrator a character in the book.
They did this a lot in Victorian fiction. It's not currenlty so popular.

I could see doing this if I was purposefully playing around with the 'form' of the novel, maybe.
 
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I don't know. In a way, it's a spoiler for the rest of the story. I like to be surprised when I read, not know beforehand what is going to happen.

On the other hand, like with your first example, it can add a certain amount of tension. Draw out what's going to happen.

In the end, I think it depends on the circumstances when it gets used, and who the writer is. With someone like King, it wouldn't bother me. It's part of his style.
 

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You know, in the past tense, it doesn't bother me tooooooo much, unless it's the Dan-Brown-Lost-Symbol syndrome where every other chapter ends with something like that.
 

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First of all, are you writing in omniscient? You may be able to get away with it in 1st person if the narrator is recounting a past event.

Second, nope, I don't like it.
 

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not my cup of tea.

It feel likes 'telling' in the laziest and worst possible way.
 

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I don't care.

I'll forgive a lot if I like a story. I'll just assume the author has a good reason for taking that approach.
 

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Depends.

Like Ray said, if it's a first person narrator talking about a past event, it can work, but not often.

If it's just laziness in an omniscient narrator trying to build fake suspense, it falls flat on its face.
 

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A lot depends on the authorial voice. Sometimes it reads like a copout, but in the right hands, it can introduce a good note of foreboding. The stronger the voice, IMHO, the better it works. Ruth Rendell's A JUDGMENT IN STONE is essentially nothing but "what they didn't yet know," an entire book's worth, and it's one of the most devastating crime stories I've ever read. In her hands, it's not a shortcut; she builds a whole story out of foreboding, forcing the readers to love characters they know they will lose. The impact is incredibly powerful.

So, never say never.
 

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I think that kind of foreshadowing is very appropriate in a very specific, usually first person context: when it isn't the narrator teasing for no reason, but instead the narrator unable to parse time or stay in the moment. Maybe someone can help me with an example, but the idea is basically, if writing about a relationship in the past, the narrator might say, "She used my behavior that night to win custody of the kids two years later." That wouldn't bother me, because it would feel like the narrator was trying to communicate his regret, not tease that they were going to split up.

Or if two people are having their last conversation before one of them dies, I think it would be fair for the narrator to express regret about the last words he said to the other character, even if the other character's death isn't made explicit for a hundred pages after.
 

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What if it's used to indicate future events that go beyond the time-line of the story? In other words, unlike my King example where he sets the reader up by saying "That was the last time I saw my daughter alive" and then we stand on the edge of our seat waiting to find out what happens every time the daughter enters a scene (and eventually dies a few hundred pages later), it's something to the tune of a man who throws caution to the wind and eventually lands in prison. If the novel ends with his incarceration but the "what he didn't yet know" moment reflects on how he would later come to regret his choices if only he knew what having no freedom meant, that wouldn't be a shortcut because the story would never reach that moment. The MC within the story is acting foolishly because he has a juvenile understanding of imprisonment.

The above is just an example (not something I'm working on) but it brings to mind the true story of one of my uncles who wrote his story in his memoirs (I'll condense it as much as I can right now).

As a young man during the dictatorship in Greece he was hiding from the government in a small village. He was out hunting one day and accidentally shot another man in the chest (he didn't see the man when he fired his weapon). My uncle took him to the local doctor who saved his life, but that man turned out to be an undercover officer who was out looking for him. After he recovered he notified the authorities of my uncle's location and had him arrested. His memoirs actually focus only on the torture he endured while he was held captive.

Now my uncle always said that he should have let that man die in the woods (for obvious reasons). Not only did the man arrest my uncle but he was also the head guard in charge of torturing him.

Long after the dictatorship ended my uncle was working with a group that patrolled certain neighborhoods to help get drug addicts of the streets. He was approached by a man who offered him oral sex in exchange for money (according to my uncle the man looked like he'd been beaten by life to a miserable shell of a drug addicted man). My uncle recognized him as none other than that same guy he shot in the woods.

Now if I were to retell that story in 3rd person but have it end after my uncle was released from prison and I included that moment of "what he didn't yet know" it wouldn't be a shortcut because the story would never reach that point. It would be worth mentioning, but not workable as a viable ending to the tale.

I think that's closer to what I'm asking.
 

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By this I mean when the author is writing in proper narrative and is following the same time-line throughout, but suddenly cuts in with little snippets of the future-to-come that is, as of yet, unknown to the MC.

The first thing that comes to mind, after I fling the book, is: Why? What possible gain does such a gimmick accomplish for the story? Or the reader's experience of it? It's like giving away the punch line of a joke mid-way along.

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I've only come across this in older books, and at the time when I read them, it worked for me and got me wondering how the event would unfold. It feels like an old-fashioned technique now, though, and I wouldn't use it myself unless I had a narrator whose voice it would suit.
 

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I think it usually represents laziness, and it's definitely author intrusion. I think it was Dwight Swain that said it best - something like "an author to his book should be like God to the universe; present everywhere, but visible nowhere."
 

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Not at all. It's enough to make me wallbang the book and find something that doesn't aspire to clairvoyance in its narrator.

This. I loathe it deeply, and it's enough to yank me right out of my enjoyment of an otherwise good book into general disdain for such an absurd approach. It's like all the worst elements of a bad infodump and awkward pacing combined.
 

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What if it's used to indicate future events that go beyond the time-line of the story? In other words, unlike my King example where he sets the reader up by saying "That was the last time I saw my daughter alive" and then we stand on the edge of our seat waiting to find out what happens every time the daughter enters a scene (and eventually dies a few hundred pages later), it's something to the tune of a man who throws caution to the wind and eventually lands in prison. If the novel ends with his incarceration but the "what he didn't yet know" moment reflects on how he would later come to regret his choices if only he knew what having no freedom meant, that wouldn't be a shortcut because the story would never reach that moment. The MC within the story is acting foolishly because he has a juvenile understanding of imprisonment.

That would just piss me off.

Why would you bother mentioning it at all if we're not going to find out anyway?
 
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