Flaws and Negative Traits : What's the Difference

Status
Not open for further replies.

DwayneA

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2006
Messages
1,419
Reaction score
55
I know they sound and feel similar, but what makes a flaw different from a negative character trait?
 

The Lonely One

Why is a raven like a writing desk?
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 13, 2008
Messages
3,750
Reaction score
477
Location
West Spiral Arm
Officially, I don't know. But to me, a flaw is something inherent that impedes a character from reaching their goals, but is not necessarily 'negative,' just an imperfection. A 'negative character trait' I see more as a moral imperfection--something that is viewed as negative but may be inherent or learned, such as a serious drug addiction or stealing candy from children.
 

Gugland

Sufficiently downsized
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 20, 2010
Messages
488
Reaction score
146
Location
Davis, CA
I agree with Lonely. If there's a consequence, it's a flaw, if not, it's just a negative trait. For instance, I smoke, which is a negative trait. If I get cancer or empha, empaashee, emfasy...(however you spell it) then it becomes a flaw.
 

gothicangel

Toughen up.
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 29, 2008
Messages
7,907
Reaction score
692
Location
North of the Wall
You might find it worthwhile reading Aristotle's Poetics or about Tragedy.

A character flaw is a behaviour that impacts on the plot; where negative traits not necessarily so.
 

blacbird

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
36,987
Reaction score
6,159
Location
The right earlobe of North America
None, as far as I can see. A semantic quibble. Aristotle was good at that, probably via influence from Socrates. A character flaw is utterly meaningless unless it has some influence on the plot.

caw
 

Stijn Hommes

Know what you write...
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 3, 2006
Messages
2,309
Reaction score
128
Location
Netherlands
Website
www.peccarymagazine.5u.com
There are plenty of heroes in fiction that couldn't live with themselves if they knowingly let someone be in trouble, so they tend to go in all guns blazing and rescue said unfortunate soul. It's a flaw that can cause them serious problems in the story, but it's not exactly a negative personality trait, is it?

To be short: Flaws aren't necessarily negative.
 

Danthia

To me, a flaw is something that could hurt the character in the story. A negative trait in one that could hurt the character with the reader. One is internal the other external. Like if they have a trait that makes the reader not like them when they do it (which isn't necessarily bad). Often it's something the reader hopes they overcome by the end of the story.
 

Jamesaritchie

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 13, 2005
Messages
27,863
Reaction score
2,313
I'm not sure tehre is a technical difference, but I do differentiate when writing. For my characters, a flaw is, say, the inability to love someone, the inability to tell the truth, etc. A negative trait comes in the form of actions. Stealing, killing needlessly, cheating, etc.

But this is just for my own writing, a way to better categorize what it is I'm trying to do with a character.
 

Lady Ice

Makes useful distinctions
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 11, 2009
Messages
4,776
Reaction score
417
I know they sound and feel similar, but what makes a flaw different from a negative character trait?

A flaw is a fault within the character that creates problems relevant to the story. So, a man who can't control his anger may hit his wife and the rest of the novel is a debate on the nature of abuse.

A negative character trait is something annoying the character does, but it has no dramatic impact on them. For example, they are rude to people.

Flaws are more powerful than negative character traits.
 

DwayneA

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2006
Messages
1,419
Reaction score
55
can a character have no flaws, yet have some negative traits?
 

maestrowork

Fear the Death Ray
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
43,746
Reaction score
8,654
Location
Los Angeles
Website
www.amazon.com
Well, it depends on the definitions. Flaws in technically negative. But if we're talking about degrees of negativity, here's where I draw the line:

Selfishness = flaw
Self-doubt = flaw
Indecisiveness = flaw
Vanity = flaw

Eating human = negative trait
Selfish to a point of hurting others for gains = negative trait
kidnap babies and sell them to black market = negative trait

Everyone has flaws. You. Me. Mother Teresa. But not everyone is a "bad person."

They are related, but I think one has to do with internal and the other external. If you're an impatient person, it's your flaws but it doesn't affect me. But if you're impatient and you start to yell at people (being RUDE), then it's a negative trait. so...

Vanity = flaw
Arrogance + condescension toward others = negative trait
 
Last edited:

Lady Ice

Makes useful distinctions
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 11, 2009
Messages
4,776
Reaction score
417
can a character have no flaws, yet have some negative traits?

Yes, but that would be a very 2D character because it provides no conflict. If he picks his nose, snores in his sleep, and makes puerile jokes but is otherwise an upstanding citizen...there's no conflict. Flaws also mean that we get sympathy for characters that we wouldn't necessarily like.
 

maestrowork

Fear the Death Ray
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
43,746
Reaction score
8,654
Location
Los Angeles
Website
www.amazon.com
Dwayne, this is like the 20th time you asked about flaws, etc. I am not sure if you understand this basic human concept. Can't you at least draw from your own experiences around you. Think of what you feel are the flaws of yourself or people you know? It really isn't that difficult a concept, and there's no reason to ask the question so often.
 

DwayneA

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2006
Messages
1,419
Reaction score
55
compared to me, everybody's flawless
 
Status
Not open for further replies.