What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet.

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[FONT=georgia, bookman old style, palatino linotype, book antiqua, palatino, trebuchet ms, helvetica, garamond, sans-serif, arial, verdana, avante garde, century gothic, comic sans ms, times, times new roman, serif]~William Shakespeare

Yes, but would you be as willing to talk about a rose if you had to call it a "Triantafyllo" or "[/FONT]Rosa Berberifolia?"

Which brings me to the purpose of this thread. It's time for me to consider the possibility of a Pseudonym. I don't like the idea for my current situation and purposes, but then again I don't have a name that "rolls off the American tongue." I do, however, have a name that is easily shortened and "translated" to appear as a common enough name (without being too common or invisible). My actual name has been called a "train wreck" by some because they cannot pronounce or spell it to save their life. To give you an example:
Petros Kanerogianakopoulos (the name of an old friend of mine) shares some common elements with my real name. That name could be shortened to Peter Kane. Easy to pronounce, remember, and spell.

I have asked for, and received, plenty of advice with regards to this matter, but all of it has been biased. What I'm asking you is as an unbiased reader would a name similar to Petros Kanerogianakopoulos be of any hindrance for you to speak of (recommending his book to a friend), or write (google searching the name to find the book etc), or anything else? Would you be more comfortable with Peter Kane instead? Or would that be less memorable?
I have never shied away from discussing works by long complicated names, but I find the average Joe does. Students frequently would refer to Dostoevsky as "that dude who sounds like dust . . . oh what's his name." I'm glad they were at least able to remember that much but he's a literary gem not a new, never-heard-of author trying to make his mark.
On the other hand a translated and scaled down version could be more forgettable for it's commonality.
You might say: "if the writing is good enough they'll remember the name no matter what it is" but that somehow doesn't always ring true for everyone. And remembering it only half the battle. If they feel ridiculous trying to pronounce it they might be less inclined to recommend it. So for the sake of this argument let's assume I've not written the next masterpiece of this century, rather a decent, enjoyable read that will entertain but not be a life-altering work.
Thoughts? Opinions?

A few more quotes on names to ponder:
[FONT=georgia, bookman old style, palatino linotype, book antiqua, palatino, trebuchet ms, helvetica, garamond, sans-serif, arial, verdana, avante garde, century gothic, comic sans ms, times, times new roman, serif]Fate tried to conceal him by naming him Smith. ~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
[/FONT][FONT=georgia, bookman old style, palatino linotype, book antiqua, palatino, trebuchet ms, helvetica, garamond, sans-serif, arial, verdana, avante garde, century gothic, comic sans ms, times, times new roman, serif]The name of a man is a numbing blow from which he never recovers. ~Marshall McLuhan[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, bookman old style, palatino linotype, book antiqua, palatino, trebuchet ms, helvetica, garamond, sans-serif, arial, verdana, avante garde, century gothic, comic sans ms, times, times new roman, serif]
[/FONT][FONT=georgia, bookman old style, palatino linotype, book antiqua, palatino, trebuchet ms, helvetica, garamond, sans-serif, arial, verdana, avante garde, century gothic, comic sans ms, times, times new roman, serif]I have fallen in love with American names, the sharp, gaunt names that never get fat. ~Stephen Vincent Benet
[/FONT][FONT=georgia, bookman old style, palatino linotype, book antiqua, palatino, trebuchet ms, helvetica, garamond, sans-serif, arial, verdana, avante garde, century gothic, comic sans ms, times, times new roman, serif]And we were angry and poor and happy,
And proud of seeing our names in print.
~G.K. Chesterton[/FONT]
 

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A name like Kanerogianakopoulos would be quite a mouthful. It doesn't have to be an ordinary "American name" (if there is such a thing nowadays) but I would consider using something else if it were my name, and if I were okay with the decision.

I work with a guy who is originally from Laos. None of us can pronounce his name correctly; we all just call him by his initials.
 

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I don't think Kanerogianakopoulos would even fit on a book cover.
 

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Many authors changed their name completely. Ex: Samuel Clemens. Does it look any where near Mark Twain?

Somewhere on this thread, I think it was Uncle Jim's, it talks about using a pen name.

So what you could do, until you get to that stage with an agent, is come up with a pen name of your own. Maybe the first initial of your first name: P. And the first initial of your middle name: G. And the last name of: Kane. Easy to say. Easy to remember.
 

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A name wouldn't stop me from reading a book, but if I couldn't remember it (and probably couldn't pronounce it) then I would likely not recommend you to anyone. Sorry.
 

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No need to be sorry, that's exactly what I was looking for.

This is why I needed an unbiased opinion. Everyone else points me to tongue twister named celebrities as proof why I shouldn't change it. Then again they do have a point when thinking of M.Night Shyamalan . . . or maybe not as it is for the screen.
 

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I have no general problem with foreign names, but yes, if the surname has more syllables than I can count on one hand (Dostoyevsky has only four — Shyamalan only three — Kanerogianakopoulos has nine — if I'm pronouncing it close to right — maybe eight if I got it wrong) then I'm probably going to have difficulty remembering it.

I see no reason not to retain one's heritage, though, if picking a pseudonym or shortening a name to make it easier to remember.

If I were in that situation, I'd probably go with Petros Kanopoulos.
 
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A name wouldn't stop me from reading a book, but if I couldn't remember it (and probably couldn't pronounce it) then I would likely not recommend you to anyone. Sorry.

I agree with this, I can't remember a name I probably won't pass it along however if the name of the book is easy to remember then I will at least pass that along to a friend.
I am in the same boat, my name isn't quite as complex as the afromentioned but it's still a mouth full and hard to spell. I would just come up with something you like, it is a fun way to come up with a name you wish your parent's would have given you. Or in my case pick a fun name that has personal meaning. My chosen pen name has a great significance to me and my husband, sure noone else will get it but it's a fun way to come up with a name.
Read online baby name books to get some idea's that how I go about picking my characters name's aswell.
 

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The name I used as an example is actually quite longer than mine which only has 4 syllables. It worked for my father in the 50's as a pickup line. When they asked him to repeat his last name he said "Kinda like a Kiss." I guess in the 50s that worked.
Anyway, while actually shorter than the example I gave it still is a twister. Not as long, but equally as hard.
 

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Hmm.

Don't know what to tell you then.

I personally would be fine with that (I have no idea what's hard about 'Dostoyevsky' either) but other readers could be turned off, I suppose.

(But then, I'm someone who would toss around a word like 'Dostoyevskian' in casual conversation.)
 

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I agree that it's a matter of syllables. "Shyamalan" is only three. There comes a point where people have a hard time recalling names by memory, and eight or nine syllables is probably beyond what the average reader can correctly recall for the purpose of (a) searching online or in bookstores for your work, or (b) telling their friends how much they loved your book.

I am a big fan, in general, of making an effort to know, pronounce, and spell other people's names correctly. I have a hyphenated last name, which I inflict upon others daily, and although it's simple, that blasted punctuation mark confuses people to no end (not to mention the county court system, which has me in their jury pool under multiple names). But I think that for professional purposes, you'll probably want an eventual pen name to make word-of-mouth and sales easier for the general public.
 

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And in some ways even if people spell it wrong (who ever gets Shyamalan right lol? Heck, and I couldn't spell Dostoevsky to save my life) it's not quite as big of a deal. I'd be tempted to change it up and use something different.

I did read an interesting thing about job searching the other day, though, and I'm wondering what people think about it applying to query letters. It said that job recruiters are less likely to respond to someone with an unpronounceable name because they're afraid of saying it wrong and embarrassing themselves. Now, I doubt there was any rigorous scientific testing done to prove this, but I did find it interesting and their suggestion was that if you have a really difficult name to include an, "I go by" or something somewhere in your cover letter to alleviate the problem. What thinks you?
 

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I've read on several agent blogs that agents always want the writer's real name in a query because they want to know who, specifically, they are dealing with. But in a case such as this, I think that kaitie's suggestion may be a good way to address the OP's concern. In a cover letter/query, he could sign the letter with his full name and include an "I go by" line.

I think it's amazing that recruiters have phobias like that, since they're supposedly "people persons" (laugh). Whenever I led a hiring drive and called interview candidates, if I didn't know how to pronounce the person's name, I would ask immediately. Better for everyone involved.
 

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If the average person would have trouble spelling your name, you might want to go with something simpler. Otherwise, it may be difficult for people to find your books online. I thought I was pretty good at spelling most East European names, but then I ran into somebody whose name started out with Szcz-- and went downhill from there. I never did get that one right.

:Shrug:
 

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That being said, a lot of online stores or Yahoo will auto-correct for you when searching, or at least say, "Did you mean to search for...?" And if you knew the title, you'd be able to just search a title then copy and paste the author (or click the author link). I do this all the time, and I often don't spell names right or forget who wrote something, and it rarely becomes a problem.
 

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If the average person would have trouble spelling your name, you might want to go with something simpler. Otherwise, it may be difficult for people to find your books online. I thought I was pretty good at spelling most East European names, but then I ran into somebody whose name started out with Szcz-- and went downhill from there. I never did get that one right.

:Shrug:

Heh. It's a pretty simple once you realize "sz" "cz" are consonant clusters rather than trying to pronounce the letters individually.

(Says I, who doesn't speak any of it, but can read and kind of pronounce Polish, and whose great-grandmother's maiden name was Szczepaniak.)

:D
 

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If the name is unpronouncable to anyone who doesn't speak that language or is very hard to spell, there may be a problem. And if the title of the book's fairly common, people mgiht have a problem searching for it.

I wouldn't necessarily Anglicise it though- I'd probably do what kuwisdelu did.
 

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I did read an interesting thing about job searching the other day, though, and I'm wondering what people think about it applying to query letters. It said that job recruiters are less likely to respond to someone with an unpronounceable name because they're afraid of saying it wrong and embarrassing themselves.

I read a similar article that brought to light a worse problem. HR departments were rejecting resumes with names that sounded too "Black." Apparently people named "Jamal," "Lakisha," "Ebony," etc had the lowest rate of scheduled interviews than any other even though the resumes sent (faked for the study) were identical to others with names sounding "white."
Possibly irrelevant to this topic, but if you're thinking of a pen name you might want to reconsider that "black sounding" name (or not if that's what you're going for).
 

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At first, I thought Warren Zevon was singing about a werewolf drinking with Peter Colada at Trader Vick's. I assumed that said Peter Colada was an obscure British novelist or actor. I always thought that would make a good pseudonym.

Another idea is to drive many miles along a rural interstate highway. Use the exit signs for names. You may come up with...
Presotum Illiopolis
Enfield Barnhill
Vernon Kimundo
Cassoday De Graff
Spencer Kilgore
Juno Ozona
 

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Lots of people already do this. Retain elements of their real name in ther pen name.

In the end you can pick whatever you want.
 

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You could choose a pseudonym that places your name in center location, and just below eye level, on the average bookstore shelf.
 

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I know someone with a name that was too common who chose a pseudonym after discussing the issue with her agent. If you do choose a pseudonym, make sure you google it before making a final decision, in case someone else with the same name has lots of google hits.
 
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