When do you choose your title, before or after?

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Hi:

I'm wondering about this, because an attractive title is one of the things I like when I'm thinking about buying a book.

I'd like to have it from the beginning, but it's very difficult, as I have only 10.000 words written.

What do you do?

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I generally have a title in mind when I begin, which makes it easier to start a folder for whatever it is. About one out of three times I will change or modify the title somewhere along the way.

You just need to come up with a tentative title for now. You can change it later if you think of something better, or the publisher may want to change it anyway.
 

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I don't worry about it since whatever title I will choose will in all likelyhood be changed by the publisher anyway. It's not one of the things we as writers control, even though I think good suggestions will be kept. But if it is kept or not is a publisher's decision, not the writer's.
 
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I don't worry about it since whatever title I will choose will in all likelyhood be changed by the publisher anyway. It's not one of the things we as writers control, even though I think good suggestions will be kept. But if it is kept or not is a publisher's decision, not the writer's.
The only time I've heard of a title being changed it was at the author's request, owing to a similarity with a title in her publisher's back catalogue which was going to be taken off their list anyway.

But to avoid confusion, said writer offered to change it.
 

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I have the title before I ever write a word.
Me too! In fact I can't start to write until I have a title- oh and of the four books accepted for publication- my publisher has not changed any of them. (wow thats a really bad sentence- need more coffee)
 

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sometimes i know before, sometimes long after a book is finished, and sometimes it comes to me in the middle.

some books are harder to title than others, and I have one on sub that it's currently 'untitled urban fantasy'.

Sometimes titles get changed, it happens alot actually, usually if the title is too similar to something already on the publishers list, or there's another higher profile author with a book of the same title coming out.

Sometimes this is at the authors request, and sometimes it's at the publishers.

Sometimes titles get changed because they suck.

For example:

JKR - the philosophers stone was changed in america because it was assumed that americans wouldn't grasp the concept of a philosophers stone. (people can make really stupid assumptions sometimes)

Terry Pratchett - Nightwatch was originally entitled The Nature of the Beast, but was changed when Frances Fyfield published a book of the same title before hand.

Stephenie Meyer - Twilight was originally called 'forks' but this was changed on the publishers request because, well, lets be honest, forks is a bad title.
 

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I often have no clue what to title something until I've written it. My work usually isn't named until the very end (after edits even). :)
 

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I must have a title before I begin writing. The title guides the story, which makes it fit, and makes it far more unlikely that a publisher will change it.
 

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I usually have a title in mind when I start, but sometimes by the time I'm halfway through or completely finished, I realize my working title no longer fits and change it. But I don't worry about it and know that the perfect title will eventually come to me. :)
 

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Having a working title in mind can, as simple as it sounds, give a writer focus on the direction of the story. It can serve as a global reminder of the book’s purpose. But don’t get too in love with your title. The final title is determined by the marketing and sales departments of your publisher as is the cover, internal design, back cover blurb, and most all of the other marketing aspects of the final product. Remember that once you sign a publishing contract, it’s always going to be your story, but it’s their book.
 

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I've always used the female protagonist's name as the working title.

For the actual title, the editor and I come up with a list of titles and send them to Marketing. Marketing supports one of these or comes back with their own.

We go back and forth a while. Eventually Marketing is happy and we have a title.

But this is Romance genre and the titles are notoriously taken out of the writer's hands. YMMV.
 

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I have a title before I start writing. It helps create a sense of identity for it in my mind.

Of the two novels with a publisher, one has gone through a title change at their request. It was changed from an attempt by me to come up with a "better" one back to my working title, which everyone though actually fit best.
 

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Terry Pratchett - Nightwatch was originally entitled The Nature of the Beast, but was changed when Frances Fyfield published a book of the same title before hand.

Ironically, the new title Night Watch clashes with Sergei Lukyanenko's Night Watch, published only four years earlier. You'd think that the clash with the Lukyanenko book would be more important, since Lukyanenko is at least writing the same genre - fantasy.
 

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I have a title before I start writing. Since I know how the story will flow before I start the title encompasses the story, like a banner leading me on.
 

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Before, during, after, and when my agent threatens me with bodily harm. I have trouble with titles, though occasionally I come up with one that doesn't make me want to puke up my Cheerios.
 

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Having a working title in mind can, as simple as it sounds, give a writer focus on the direction of the story. It can serve as a global reminder of the book’s purpose. But don’t get too in love with your title. The final title is determined by the marketing and sales departments of your publisher as is the cover, internal design, back cover blurb, and most all of the other marketing aspects of the final product. Remember that once you sign a publishing contract, it’s always going to be your story, but it’s their book.



I think writing the story after you have the title lessons the chance the publisher will change it because the title will almost always fit the book. It has with me, at least. I've had only one title changed by a publisher, and that was early on.

I warned them the new title would harm sales, and I was, unfortunately, right.
 

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Titles are like babies--they come when they come. There's no use in trying to force them to a schedule.
 

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I'm really picky and perfectionistic about my titles, so I usually don't have them until I finished the book, unless it comes to me at some point in the middle of writing. Rarely happens though, I usually have to search for one.
 

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I don't have a title for both of my WIP yet. But then again, I haven't written anything concrete, either. I want a title, so at least, whenever I think about the story, I have a name for it.
 

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I like to name them something. If I give my work a name, I have made it real in my mind.
 

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I plug in something generic but easy to remember at the start, then change it at least a dozen times during the writing process.
 
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