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Quick question - does anyone know an on-line example of a (produced) screenplay that actually sticks to all the 'rules' we're always bashing into each other's heads? I mean, one that has no 'we see' or large chunks of action or novelistic descriptions or camera angles?

I ask because I can quite see how novice writers are misled into making the above mistakes as all the screenplays I've read do seem to break those rules, I'm sure because they're from established writers.

It would be interesting to see how a 'pure' one reads.
 
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Yeah, I've noticed that too, and I haven't even been in the game for very long.

I just read the Matrix, and every other line was "Neo feels the weight of responsibility." I thought it worked very well, and, obviously, it spawned a very successful movie.

"The Big Lewbowski" did a lot of "We see" too.
 

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Quick question - does anyone know an on-line example of a (produced) screenplay that actually sticks to all the 'rules' we're always bashing into each other's heads? I mean, one that has no 'we see' or large chunks of action or novelistic descriptions or camera angles?

I ask because I can quite see how novice writers are misled into making the above mistakes as all the screenplays I've read do seem to break those rules, I'm sure because they're from established writers.

It would be interesting to see how a 'pure' one reads.

Most of the screenplays online aren't spec scripts. They're rewrites made for production.

Not that I believe you can't break a rule, but you can't ignore the reason it's there. If that makes sense. It's like the difference between being creative with language and just having lousy grammar.
 

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Try looking at scripts not written by the people directing them (hence not The Big Lebowski or The Matrix) and I think you'll find pretty standard formatting.

Particularly check out movies that were based on spec scripts.
 

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Most actual specs stay pretty true and even scripts written for hire stay pretty true.

Rules in script writing are often like any other rules in writing. Like using adverbs. The reason why you want to avoid adverbs is they weaken the writing. Instead if you use strong verbs you end up with a more powerful piece. But that doesn't mean if you have a few adverbs your writing is horrible and you've committed a cardinal sin.

Rules in writing are in place so you can make your writing as strong as possible. We see is often used as a crutch and can be eliminated 90% or more of the time that it's used. If someone doesn't follow that rule and they have "We see" every time something happens, they're script is going to get passed on. But you'll see it in a few pro scripts where it helps keep things clear. Like if the characters aren't looking and something passes in the hallway behind them. We see, but they didn't. We see makes it clear. It's an example where it could possibly be a strength and that is the point. Follow the rules until you understand why they are there in the first place, then break them when they benefit your writing rather than become a drawback.
 

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Most of those 'rules' aren't 'rules'. They are just 'things to be careful of because they are very easy to overdo or do badly'.

For example, I use 'we see' a bit - it just reads easier to me. However if I review an first draft of a script that I haven't looked at for a while those innocent little 'we sees' are quite painful - it is clear I just toss them in WAY too much in a first draft. So if I keep the rule 'Don't use `we see`' in mind when rewriting it improves it a lot. Sure - I still keep a few in there, but it is amazing how easy it is to slip into over using them.

A quick flick through a collection of scripts gave the impression that 'we see' is used about 4-5 times in a typical pro script. James Cameron uses it about 10 - 15 times per script, but the others seemed pretty consistent.

A retry with a bit more rigor:

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Script           Number of uses of the phrase 'We see ..'
                    (not including dialogue)
A few good men	            5
Absolute Power	            2
Alien	                    0
All the President's men	   13
Almost Famous	            6
Amadeus	                   46
American Beauty	           17
American Graffiti           8
An Officer and a Gentleman  0
Analyze This	            2
Analyze That	            1
As good as it gets	    2
Avatar                     11
Terminator 2               34
Quite a wide range ! Perhaps my first impression wasn't right after all...

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Thanks, all. I do know why the 'rules' are there, BTW, and I'm not arguing with them, but I wanted to see a screenplay that is written the way we're always told to write them, and the ones I'm seeing have long chunks of action instead of 4 lines max, novelistics, camera angles, etc.

I'm sure it is because of the status of the screenplay and writer, but as we are always advising beginners to look at finished screenplays to get an idea of how to do it, I think we should acknowledge that can be quite misleading. I remember I wrote a piece after looking at the famous first few of 'Changeling', by which I thought it was OK to write the characters' state of mind and thoughts pretty freely. Unfortunately, it wasn't my agent who corrected me, but the company I subbed to.

it would be great if instead of saying, Go and look at scripts, we could say 'Go and look at X', as a 'pure' example, particularly if you then watch the finished movie and see how the relative starkness of the writing translates upscreen.
 
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The reason for the action line "rule" is that large chunks of anything slows down the read. The slower the read the more work the reader has to do. By breaking it up it feels quicker and it reduces the reader's tendancy to skim because the work itself is going fast enough for them to not need to skim. Skimming is bad because then they aren't engaged in the script. However if you're established or if your writing is just that good it becomes less of a big deal.
 

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So basically, we won't see published screenplays that follow the rules because they're all too good or have too established a writer to have to follow them!
 

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I think you missed all the points we've made in the discussion. The rules aren't DO NOT DO THIS EVER EVER EVER OR NO ONE WILL BUY YOUR STUFF.

The rules are to remind you that overusing these tools, because that's what they are, tools, can weaken and even ruin your script. So until you get the handle of writing, avoid these things. Once your writing is strong enough, then you can start to employ these hard to use tools the right way so it helps rather than hurts your writing.
 

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I will have a look at Blade. Thanks.
 

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Thanks, all. I do know why the 'rules' are there, BTW, and I'm not arguing with them, but I wanted to see a screenplay that is written the way we're always told to write them, and the ones I'm seeing have long chunks of action instead of 4 lines max, novelistics, camera angles, etc.

I'm sure it is because of the status of the screenplay and writer, but as we are always advising beginners to look at finished screenplays to get an idea of how to do it, I think we should acknowledge that can be quite misleading. I remember I wrote a piece after looking at the famous first few of 'Changeling', by which I thought it was OK to write the characters' state of mind and thoughts pretty freely. Unfortunately, it wasn't my agent who corrected me, but the company I subbed to.

it would be great if instead of saying, Go and look at scripts, we could say 'Go and look at X', as a 'pure' example, particularly if you then watch the finished movie and see how the relative starkness of the writing translates upscreen.


Here's the deal. All of these "rules" aren't being presented as natural laws. They are rules of thumb that are being offered as *cautions* to beginning writers not because professionals don't use them or because you won't find examples of them, to a greater or lesser extent in produced screenplays -- nor is it because of what you sometimes hear which is -- "Oh, when you direct your own movie you get to break the rules, or "Oh, when it's an assignment you get to break the rules," or any variation thereof.

No.

The point is -- think of it like this. You are someone who is just barely learning how to drive. Professional screenwriters are people who are the equivalent of Nascar race drivers.

So when you say -- Hey, I keep reading these rules that say, "Don't take turns at 120 miles an hour -- but then I keep seeing all of these other guys, these professional race drivers, and they're all taking turns at 120 miles an hours. What's the deal. I thought there was this big rule saying never take a turn at a 120 miles an hour.

And the basic answer is -- when you've mastered everything you need to master to drive a car at 250 miles an hour -- by driving cars for thousands of hours at high speed, by knowing how the car that you're driving is put together and taken apart from the ground up -- then you'll be in a position to take turns at 120 without wrecking your car.

Until then, you would be much better served if you didn't take turns at 120.

And it's the same thing with all the stuff that people warn beginners about -- about using "we see" -- about flashbacks, about dream sequences, about voice overs.

It's not that you can't point to professional screenplays that do all of these things and use them successfully. They're not cheating.

They're just doing correctly something which, in virtually every case, when a beginner attempts to do it, he's simply going to wreck the screenplay.

NMS
 

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well as you say most of the scripts have camera action , but some scripts I found in simply scripts are very good. They are classified as oscar scripts . As in any case rules are only for the beginners.
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Quick question - does anyone know an on-line example of a (produced) screenplay that actually sticks to all the 'rules' we're always bashing into each other's heads? I mean, one that has no 'we see' or large chunks of action or novelistic descriptions or camera angles?

I ask because I can quite see how novice writers are misled into making the above mistakes as all the screenplays I've read do seem to break those rules, I'm sure because they're from established writers.

It would be interesting to see how a 'pure' one reads.

Read M.NIGHT SHYAMALAN’s THE 6TH SENSE or for that matter any of his screenplays’ available.

I get some of his work at Drew’s www.script-o-rama.com.

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