How to make evil monsters.

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Thomas_Anderson

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How to make evil

I had this idea for demonic entities. Basically, there's this energy that inspires evil in beings, and corrupts anything it touches. It turns elves into dark elves, angels into demons, humans into zombie-like ghouls (or vampires if they learn how to do it right), nymphs into succubi, and trolls into...evil trolls (yeah, I know I mixed all mythologies into a big grabbag). Of course, all those beings are perfectly capable of doing evil all on their own (except perhaps angels, haven't worked out all the kinks in the cosmology yet, and they're mostly in the background anyway), but the dark energy corrupts them to the point where it's difficult for them to be anything but evil. It's sort of like a magical disease that one contracts either by abusing black magic or by having telepathic contact with somebody who's "infected". Law enforcement has an order to shoot to kill anything infected given their danger, but the means do exist to rehabilitate and purge them in they're captured alive (exception being vampires and ghouls, since the black magic is all that's keeping them animate, as they're already clinically dead).

Is this too cliche? I've heard a lot of people dislike the whole "villain is controlled by evil" as opposed to "villain is evil". One of my first major arcs I was going to do was have one of my main characters meet up with an old friend, who's turned dark elf, and then having to deal with the complications thereof.

I do have a plan B for my monsters. I still need demons, vampires, and dark elves in order for some things to make any sense. My alternative idea was for vampires to be sort of like a demonic parasite that reproduces through humans, and their origin is shady where some human a really long time ago made a pact with a demon. Dark elves would be interchangeable with dwarves a la Norse Mythology. And demons are evil being who exist in the other world, so they're pretty much the same as plan A.

It's not too late to alter the story, so advice please. Which do you prefer, plan A or B?
 
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It sounds like a poor excuse for your characters to behave badly, but that could work well if you play off the idea. Some poor bugger can't help but be evil, while another is uninfected but making excuses, and another could manipulate people into thinking they're evil (or their neighbours are...) and so on. Or use it as a contrast - your minor villains are bastards because they're infected, but your big bad is really just a horrible bastard all on his own. On the other hand if that's all there is to it - your villain was just infected - it feels like a bit of a soft option.

I'm not sure about your vast horde of monsters from different mythologies, unless you've got a good way to tie them all together in the one world (other than your evil energy). Even with your plan B they still feel a bit tossed together for no particular reason other than you want them all in.
 

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Thomas, I don't think that either idea is terribly original as it stands.

To see this, replace the word 'evil' with 'unclean'. An unclean contagion that makes people behave in sick ways and there's no cure and you have to kill them... that has been used in vampirism, zombiism, and it appears as a root concept in every taboo in nigh-on every culture in human history. Unless you have something new to say about it or a new use for it, I'd steer well clear.

But evil-as-parisitism is no different from possession. It's been used in everything from The Exorcist to Army of Darkness. Authors like Colin Wilson and Brian Lumley have written whole series on it. Frank Herbert wrote a novel on it. Every other SF anthology contains a short about a space-alien making someone do something bad. Again, I think you need a new angle on it or try something else.

My core question is: what does evil mean to you? How can you tell it apart from bad behaviour? Why is it so interesting? What is mysterious about it? What insight can you bring to bear that the average punter won't have thought of?

As a hint, try listing every property that people ever ascribe to evil. Then try turning some on their heads, or combining them in interesting ways. E.g.

Evil is typically:
  • Seductive
  • Contagious
  • Irresistible
  • Malign
  • Invisible
  • Personified
  • Intelligent
  • Pervasive
  • Prolific
  • Terrifying
  • Intimate
How about an evil that is:
  • Coercive -- it can be forced onto people
  • Irresistible -- one can't stop it being forced onto you
  • Visible -- it leaves a stigma or other sign
  • Impersonal -- it makes you mechanical, detached, disinterested
  • Localised -- it applies to only part of you -- perhaps a limb, an organ or a relationship; and it's not contagious
  • Awe-inspiring -- it makes you beautiful, impressive, perhaps godlike. Perhaps it's a fashion-statement to have an Evil Organ or an Evil Relationship? Or perhaps it's required for your job? Perhaps some people have most of their parts replaced with Evil Parts over time??
Or there are numerous other ideas you could try.
 

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I have tried to play with the idea of evil by having my characters eventually have to realize that they were making blind assumptions of evil that were not necessarily true. I don't see the 'monsters' of my novel as evil. In fact, most of them are antagonistic to the major races only because they themselves have been persecuted by the major races for ages. Goblins and such basically fear humans and dwarves, not because they are evil but because humans and dwarves have always treated them like vermin. True, as they have evolved over the ages they may now appear to be basically evil from the perspective of humans and dwarves, but the goblins sure don't view it that way. They believe they are the rightous underdog and that humans and dwarves are the evil ones. It's more complicated than that, but I don't want to ramble on too long.
 

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i think it does seem a bit overused - BUT that said, a lot of stories are just recycled ideas. It all depends on what you do with it.
If it's an idea you're dying to write, then go for it. At the very least you'll improve as a writer along the way.
 

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I'm not sure about your vast horde of monsters from different mythologies, unless you've got a good way to tie them all together in the one world (other than your evil energy). Even with your plan B they still feel a bit tossed together for no particular reason other than you want them all in.

I set the universe to have high technology and space travel, and the creatures from conflicting mythologies originate from different planets. For instance, the elves, trolls, and dwarves, from Norse Mythology (plus a few things of my own I made up, with the explanation being the Ragnarok already happened, and changed a lot of things) are from the same planet as humans and the closest thing my universe has to Earth, but the fauns, minotaurs and centaurs from Greek mythology are aliens from another planet.

Angels are from another plane of existance entirely, and vampires are the result of a botched experiment about three thousand years ago (still after Ragnarok) where some human tried to turn himself into an elf. And ghouls are botched vampires.
 

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It's definitely a trope, but as long as you handle it in your own way and don't let it mimic anything else, why not?

I know we all have our own opinions on it, but I'm a fan of "infected" types of evil. I find it scary since anyone can be corrupted if there is no built in immunity.

I guess it depends on your angle. For me, it's a great horror angle, one that is used in horror and scifi/fantasy as well.
 

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Have you ever seen Heavy Metal the movie? It's something similar with a green sphere that goes through various ages and dimensions corrupting anything (or out right killing) it comes into contact with.

It worked for the movie, of course the movie isn't for your average movie goer, but if you like weird stuff and erm...boobs, then it's enjoyable. :D

And you don't really feel like you need an explanation why this thing goes around corrupting, it's all part of the mystery of the universe.
 

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I know we all have our own opinions on it, but I'm a fan of "infected" types of evil. I find it scary since anyone can be corrupted if there is no built in immunity.

I like it too, because it's a great conflict starter - what if the MC gets infected? Even better, what if an MC gets infected and there absolutley is no cure? I'd like to play around with that myself.

It worked for the movie, of course the movie isn't for your average movie goer, but if you like weird stuff and erm...boobs, then it's enjoyable. :D

Indeed. Quite a lot of boobage...
 
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