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Script writing is a new venue for me, so I appreciate all the info and feedback I've found here.

When writing a scene that follows the characters from one room to another, do you need to create a new scene heading or can you make one that shows the transition. For example - the characters are walking down the hall about to enter the office, there are a few lines about the sign on the door, then they enter through the waiting room and into a reception office. Would this work:

INT. HALLWAY/RECEPTION OFFICE --MORNING

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I usually do:

INT. HALLWAY - RECEPTION OFFICE - MORNING

INT. BATHROOM - RECEPTION OFFICE

ect

If it's quick transition like:

INT. RECEPTION OFFICE

Molly types at her desk. She clutches her stomach and doubles over. She dashes to the

BATHROOM

The light flickers on as she bolts for the toilet.
 

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some people use CONTINOUS as the slug line , sometimes after a scene . it is a bit confusing can anybody clarify?
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It's mostly not needed. Some use it to make sure you know the camera is following through the locations. I use mini slugs instead of cluttering up my script with CONTINUOUS.
 

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Just chiming in ...

Hey, guys ... I'm just throwing in my two cents here. I don't work in film, so I am not speaking as a working authority. None of this is meant to be dogmatic or challenging or argumentative. :)

I hate CONTINUOUS. It is only helpful (theoretically) to a reader; it has nothing to do with making a film. And a reader should be able to deduce that the action is continuous (if the continuity is important) without having the author tell him. If the reader cannot make the deduction, then the viewer certainly cannot.

The same goes for LATER, which I see a lot, too, along with silly variants like MINUTES LATER and A FEW HOURS LATER.

I also dislike the frequently used technique in the example that icerose cited. Again, nothing is meant to be provocative or challenging here. I will explain.
INT. RECEPTION OFFICE

Molly types at her desk. She clutches her stomach and doubles over. She dashes to the

BATHROOM

The light flickers on as she bolts for the toilet.
A lot of people use this technique, and it works. They like to emphasize BATHROOM as a new image, a new scene.

So why don't I like it?

First, I just don't like the style, but that is just personal. The more important consideration is that this has to be re-written by somebody before shooting can be scheduled and otherwise planned. The BATHROOM is a different scene. It will be shot separately from the scene in the RECEPTION OFFICE.

I would do it this way:
Code:
INT. RECEPTION OFFICE

Molly types at her desk. Suddenly she clutches her stomach. 
She stands up, doubled over, and dashes across the office to 
the bathroom.


INT. BATHROOM

The fluorescent light flickers on as Molly bolts for the toilet.
I am sure that the continuity is obvious to the reader and to the viewer. No need for CONTINUOUS. And the BATHROOM is now a separate scene; it is not just a shot within a location.

As I said, just my two cents.
 

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I agree with every word C.Bent said. Clean and simple. I think we get too wrapped up in techno "stuff" for a spec script. The tech boys will do their thing in the shooting script.
Just because it's my nature to win, that's my THREE cents worth.
 

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I think this is one of those things that has no clear right or wrong answer.

I think you have to do it which ever way is comfortable for you. I personally do it the way ComicBent is talking about.
 

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I agree with every word C.Bent said. Clean and simple. I think we get too wrapped up in techno "stuff" for a spec script. The tech boys will do their thing in the shooting script.
Just because it's my nature to win, that's my THREE cents worth.

I also agree with C. Bent. Clean and simple.

But the 'tech boys' don't write scripts. The writer does. And the 'shooting script' is basically your own finished and polished final draft.

I think others have mentioned this on here before, but it's worth mentioning again. A 'shooting script' is simply the script that's eventually 'shot'. It's not some different animal that's been tinkered around with by 'specialists'. Substitute the writer or director for 'the tech boys' and that should more or less suffice.

An example of the shooting script process might be that that just after the final read through, filming starts next week, and the writer and director have sat down to iron out certain things that didn't appear to work too well in the read. Chunks of dialogue could be scrubbed, rewritten, etc. And then, as this will be the script that's to be shot, the Montage that did pass muster and read so beautifully in the spec will also be broken down into individual scenes so that they can fit them into the shooting schedule.

Another example is that a writer could be working on a different project while his previous script is being filmed. S/he receives a phone call from set. They need two new scenes, and they need them tomorrow. The director could very well have written them, but he's the type of director who believes it should all come from the writer.

Writer then emails the scenes over, and the director shoots them according to his vision of the story. What he doesn't do beforehand is sit down and say to himself -- I better now have these two new scenes rewritten as 'shooting scenes'.

Again, just thought this was something worth mentioning.
 
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Hey, guys ... I'm just throwing in my two cents here. I don't work in film, so I am not speaking as a working authority. None of this is meant to be dogmatic or challenging or argumentative. :)

I hate CONTINUOUS. It is only helpful (theoretically) to a reader; it has nothing to do with making a film. And a reader should be able to deduce that the action is continuous (if the continuity is important) without having the author tell him. If the reader cannot make the deduction, then the viewer certainly cannot.

The same goes for LATER, which I see a lot, too, along with silly variants like MINUTES LATER and A FEW HOURS LATER.

I also dislike the frequently used technique in the example that icerose cited. Again, nothing is meant to be provocative or challenging here. I will explain.
A lot of people use this technique, and it works. They like to emphasize BATHROOM as a new image, a new scene.

So why don't I like it?

First, I just don't like the style, but that is just personal. The more important consideration is that this has to be re-written by somebody before shooting can be scheduled and otherwise planned. The BATHROOM is a different scene. It will be shot separately from the scene in the RECEPTION OFFICE.

I would do it this way:
Code:
INT. RECEPTION OFFICE

Molly types at her desk. Suddenly she clutches her stomach. 
She stands up, doubled over, and dashes across the office to 
the bathroom.


INT. BATHROOM

The fluorescent light flickers on as Molly bolts for the toilet.
I am sure that the continuity is obvious to the reader and to the viewer. No need for CONTINUOUS. And the BATHROOM is now a separate scene; it is not just a shot within a location.

As I said, just my two cents.


Okay, here is the answer in purely technical terms.

As far as the production side is concerned there is one and only one right way.

And that is a complete slug line for every single new location.

So somebody walks from the bathroom to the living room to the bathroom and that day comes when someone has actually bought the script and they've greenlit the project and it's become that mythic object that people talk about so often -- a "Shooting Script" -- one of the few changes that will actually be made is that all of those partial sluglines and one word location changes will actually be conformed and become real honest-to-God slug lines.

Not only that, they will ask you to go through the script and change those three or four different ways that you describe the same place (like Bob's bathroom, a bathroom, the bathroom, Bob and Ann's bathroom) so that if, in fact it is just one place, it's always described as exactly the same one place in every single slug line.

So even if you write it like this:

INT. BOB'S LIVING ROOM - NIGHT

THE BATHROOM - CONTINUOUS

BACK TO THE LIVING ROOM

BACK TO THE BATHROOM

When the time comes to actually make the thing, it's going to be like this:

INT. LIVING ROOM - NIGHT 18

INT. BATHROOM - NIGHT 19

INT. LIVING ROOM - NIGHT 20

INT. BATHROOM - NIGHT 21

There's a reason for that. It's because a shooting script is a scheduling document and they don't want to schedule one day for Bob's bathroom and another day the "the bathroom" only to find out that they're actually the same bathroom.

Also, even if somebody is walking continuously, in the course of a scene, from living room to bathroom and back again, unless the director has gotten very creative and intends to do it in a single shot, they're going to break the thing up into separate "scenes" -- and they'll shoot all the stuff in the bathroom together and all the stuff in the living room together.

And maybe some of the stuff in the bathroom is shot at night and maybe some of the stuff is shot during the day and maybe some of the stuff shot in the bathroom is shot at night that's continuous to scene 19 and maybe it's shot at night and it's shot after scene 58, when everybody is twenty years older.

That's why all the scenes get numbers, so that production knows where they go in the continuity of the script.

That's why it has to be done that way *in the shooting script."

That being said, when you're reading a script that isn't a shooting script, that hasn't already been bought and which isn't primarily a production document, your goal is a different one.

Your goal is to sell the script. And then you don't want to have a situation where a reader needs to "figure out" things.

Now, I don't mean, if you intend for something to be ambiguous, like the identity of that guy lurking in the shadows, well then -- that's fine. It's okay for the reader not to know who it is that's lurking in the shadows.

But if you've got a scene where someone is doing something in one room and you cut to another room in the same house and somebody is doing something else and it's happening at the same time -- when you watch the movie there are countless ways that you can make that fact of simultaneity instantly clear (maybe the music that's playing downstairs is audible upstairs, or whatever). In the same way, if you want to make it clear that you've cut to a scene and it's much later at night, it's easy enough to make that clear as well -- instantly clear.

But when you are writing it and all of those visual and audible clues that you can rely on to make that sort of thing instantly obvious to a viewer are simply not available to you without cluttering up your script with way too much incidental detail.

And the last thing you want is for a reader, when they're moving from one scene to another, to get confused as to time and place. Are we still at the party -- is this thing with so-and-so upstairs happening while the party is going on, or is this now happening way later?

You don't want that kind of confusion. And if a certain kind of shorthand helps make that sort of thing clearer -- for the purposes of the reader -- then I'm all for it.

That's what these "mini-sluglines" are all about. You establish a single location in a single time and place. Say, for instance, you've got a major scene happening in a house. But within that major scene, occurring in that one place at that one time, you move around to different places in the house, focusing on different incidents that are happening within that larger scene -- over in THE KITCHEN, these people are talking, over in THE LIVING ROOM, these people are talking, WITH JOANNE AND BILL -- they're doing something. And it allows you to break the larger scene up into more manageable and comprehensible pieces, while still making it clear that we're still in the same place at the same time -- and we, the readers, will know when we've left that larger encompassing location when we get to the next full slug line.

NMS
 

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Kitara,

Thanks for starting this thread and thanks to all that have replied! I am also new to script writing and I am still learning this difference for technical terms. The explanations for writing slug lines have helped me. Thanks again all!

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As usual NMS is giving a very sound advice. It is really confusing some site I saw
someone saying that no INT is required .Reading so much articles and scripts i know that these are slug lines and are a must . Not only this, in phone calls also there are many confusing views. somewhere I read use VO and than somebody saying use INTERCUT . others are saying use phone less. But in my script as it involves tracing adopted persons i have to use phone calls. i have restricted it .
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As usual NMS is giving a very sound advice. It is really confusing some site I saw
someone saying that no INT is required .Reading so much articles and scripts i know that these are slug lines and are a must . Not only this, in phone calls also there are many confusing views. somewhere I read use VO and than somebody saying use INTERCUT . others are saying use phone less. But in my script as it involves tracing adopted persons i have to use phone calls. i have restricted it .
padma

It's because you can present it in as many ways. Often when people say you MUST do it something, it is merely their prefered way.

As for INT/EXT it is required for any full slugline, but minislugs are their own animal as NMS explained above. You absolutely need them on any full slugline because it tells in a little symbol whether you are inside or outside. It is vital. However if you are in one big encompassing location, you can use minislugs to let people know they are still inside that same location. If the entire script takes place in a single location, like inside a large house, you would probably just stick to full sluglines.

As for the phone call all of them are acceptable depending on what you're trying to present.

If you have someone talking on the phone and you never show that person and never hear that person, you wouldn't present their side at all.

If you have someone talking on the phone and you never show the other person but you hear them, it'd be VO.

If you have them on the phone and you want to show both sides, you would then introduce each scene and do an intercut between them, ending the intercut at the goodbyes.

Phone calls are best restricted because there's not much interaction and you're telling the audience bits of information. Besides who wants to sit there and watch people yak on the phone for several conversations. Done right though it can work. It's why there are no fast or hard rules beyond "Don't bore your reader".

Hope that helps clarify.
 

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Thanks Icerose Yeah i got it
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so much great info and feedback! Thank you all. I will make a new scene heading each time I change rooms, it makes sense to me now for the reasons nmstevens listed. I think I also have a grasp now on when it's ok to use mini-sluglines. I also really need to spend some time reading already produced sitcoms!

Cheers!