How do you deal with "The Look"?

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PGK

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I am assuming you have all been recipients of "the look" at one time or another. If you haven't (or don't know what I'm talking about) let me explain. It's the dismissive facial expression of pure mockery that I get from people when I tell them I write Horror. Sound familiar?
I first noticed it from my doctor on our first appointment after I quit my job as an English Professor to write full time. When he asked me if I was still teaching at the University I told him "no" and explained why. He was thoroughly impressed that I'd decided to become a writer until I told him what genre I'm writing. He actually laughed at me and said with obvious sarcasm "good luck with that."
Something similar happened with the lady who cuts my hair, then my friends, then some family members, and finally some former colleagues. They were all impressed I decided to become a writer. They all seemed thrilled with the idea. They were all very encouraging until . . .
"What do you write?"
"Horror mainly."
Then I got "the look."

It hasn't prevented me in any way from writing what I love, but I must admit that I am unwilling to tell people anymore what I do for a living (or at least what I am trying to do).
Is it just me or does it seem to everyone else as well that this genre carries a stigma with it?
At a get-together with some friends when the topic came up (my wife proudly shares my passion with others constantly while I shrivel up in shame) most of them took turns going around the table making fun of my chosen genre. I heard things like:
"Aren't you too old for ghosts and goblins?"
"No, seriously now, what are you writing?"
"Do your books feature a dumb, big breasted blond girl who gets murdered from a hockey mask-wearing psycho?"
"You're too smart for that nonsense . . . aren't you?"

Only one friend of mine received the news positively and she was consequently the recipient of my first manuscript to read and evaluate. She of course loved it, but what else would a true friend say? You shouldn't have given up your day job?

Sorry, I know this is somewhere between a rant and a question, but I am curious to find out if I alone am the recipient of this treatment.
 

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So very true. I feel your pain. You will have the last laugh in the end. Are you going to pub under a pen or your real name? You know, if you use a pen name they will not believe it is you......

Good luck and I look forward to reading some of your stuff.
 

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Honestly, I don't mind "the look", although in my experience, it's more of a shocked look than one of condescension. I find it sort of funny. My favorite response so far has been "You are far too pretty to have such dark things in your head." I just smiled. After all, what else could I say? I didn't realize physical appearance had anything to do with anything but that, but she already had her mind made up, so I left it alone. I honestly think the condescension comes from the mindset that if you write horror, you must be a terrible writer because a gifted and talented writer would not bother to write about such things. Don't let it get you down. People have preconceived notions and opinions about everything.



(If I had a quarter from every person who's assumed I'm a stripper when I say I'm a dancer, I'd be a very rich woman.)
 
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dgrintalis:
If only I were pretty enough (or handsome in my masculine condition:) ) to get the same type of comment.

CACTUSWENDY:
I'm using a Pen name that's not really a pen name at all. When I got my SS number they decided to automatically translate my name into a more comfortable English substitute so officially I have to use the name on all my government documents, but as a published author (may that day come swiftly) I will use my proper, Greek, given name. In short, everyone who knows me on a personal level will know who I am.
 

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I've gotten the 'look' or the smug sarcasm for years.

It used to bother me,then, I take it where its coming from.

I think its masked jealously. Those who can write-thus can create. We are bound by only the limits of our imagination. Those who are derisive to us, well, they are just the unwashed masses; the sheeple who perputate reality TV. The UN-imaginative.

when you get your first royalty check or advance, I'd blow it up to one of those Publisher's Clearing house sized checks and do a little dance signing...

'nah-nah-na na- nah!'
 

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I don't tell people I write, let alone that I write horror.
when you get your first royalty check or advance, I'd blow it up to one of those Publisher's Clearing house sized checks and ...
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I did do that with my very first check for a short story. It's sitting framed on the wall.

Unfortunately, it's very lonely. :D
 

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Thirty or so years ago horror was considered cool. Now it's not. I believe that's because people today have no idea what horror is really all about. I believe that those people who give you "the look" have never read anything by Jack Ketchum, Peter Straub, Richard Matheson or Clive Barker. I believe that when you ask them the title of the last horror book they've read, they'll give you the name of a slasher movie instead.

The way I see it, the only way to change their attitude is by becoming successful yourself. I can't imagine anyone giving Stephen King "the look."
 

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I get even more looks because I refer to horror as "icky bug." When someone asks what I write, my reply is sci-fi, adventure thrillers, icky bug, and fantasy. They say "Ooh that's nice. But what is icky bug?" Then I explain that it is monster horror and they go "Oh." So, in a way I get the look twice. The fact is, I really don't give a shit what they think anyway. If I really gave a shit what people say, I would have given up long before I got my 619th rejection.

I'm not Stephen King and don't want to be, but I write monster type horror and love it. I'll once again give my smartass take on icky bug. "Good icky bug has to have a monster that eats half the characters, they say "fuck" a lot, and there is a gratuitous sex scene that has nothing to do with the plot."

I just haven't figured out a good smartass description of sci-fi, fantasy, and adventure thriller yet. I'm working on it.

Trust me, I get plenty of strange looks. I'm not exactly a spring chicken either.
 

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My sister knows I wrote a vampire story. I got "the look" over the phone from her.

The other responses vary, depending on what the person thinks I write...

My 90-yro grandmother knows I write children's stories. She smiles, thinks it's nice.

My mother-in-law knows I wrote two horror shorts and the children's stories. She likes the children's stories but wants to know why I don't write a "nice" story, the last bit said with a frown.

A friend I've had for more than half of my life loves my smut, thinks my children's stories are cute, and tolerates my horror. Thinks it's cool that her friend writes.

Hubs ignores my horror, will read my children's stories, enjoys my smut.

People from my kids' school who've seen me busy with the laptop while I wait for school to get out have never asked what I'm doing.

People from my daughter's dance studio think it's haha-funny, or weird, or cool that I write (I usually work on whatever wip is busy while I wait). One knows I write horror and children's stories, the others that have asked think I just do children's stories. I get blank looks from most of them and no one asks how my stories are going when they see me.

When my kids' friends' parents ask or when strangers ask me "What do you do?" I don't tell them I write. They hear about my pay the bills gig.
 
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I'm actually hounded by people who ask me how my books are going while also giving me the look again. Wasn't the first time enough? You think I didn't get that you're mocking me the first you looked at me like I'm wasting my time?
The funny thing is that I have asked people what was the last horror book they read and some of them will tell me very proudly they just finished a great "King, Barker, Rice, whatever" book. But I'm still wasting my time apparently.
c'est la vie I guess.
 

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hehe, very apropos.
 

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I write what could be considered horror (jury is still out on that one :tongue) and I have never come across anyone who has given me 'the look'. Maybe I am just lucky in that regard but almost everyone who knows can't wait to read what I am finishing up because they like a good scare. I even have two elderly widowed sisters (in their mid 80s) who ask me what the new body count is every time they see me!

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I get even more looks because I refer to horror as "icky bug." When someone asks what I write, my reply is sci-fi, adventure thrillers, icky bug, and fantasy. They say "Ooh that's nice. But what is icky bug?" Then I explain that it is monster horror and they go "Oh." So, in a way I get the look twice. The fact is, I really don't give a shit what they think anyway. If I really gave a shit what people say, I would have given up long before I got my 619th rejection.

I'm not Stephen King and don't want to be, but I write monster type horror and love it. I'll once again give my smartass take on icky bug. "Good icky bug has to have a monster that eats half the characters, they say "fuck" a lot, and there is a gratuitous sex scene that has nothing to do with the plot."

I just haven't figured out a good smartass description of sci-fi, fantasy, and adventure thriller yet. I'm working on it.

Trust me, I get plenty of strange looks. I'm not exactly a spring chicken either.

I've figured out the 'smartass' descrip of those genres to throw out to people who give 'the look'

What do you write?

I write sci-fi

(they give you the look) Yeah what kind of stuff do you write about?

Oh, it's pretty involved. I doubt you could understand it. (then you give the smart-ass grin)
 

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Ah, the look. I've gotten everything from excitable shrieks to pure unmasked disgust. One guy I know, who happens to think of himself as intelligent, informed me that horror was only what you (meaning me) write when you can't manage better. Oh we had a very nice conversation after that, in which he ended up feeling like an ass. I hate ass holes like that.

Most often, though, I get the pitying looks. Like it's a pipe dream too big for one so stupid as little old me. Then they ask if I've published anything and once I answer that I have, they start in with shitloads of questions. How does this work, how does that work, how do you send out a story--that is just too cool! It can be almost as annoying as the disbelief and pity.
 

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I first noticed it from my doctor on our first appointment after I quit my job as an English Professor to write full time. When he asked me if I was still teaching at the University I told him "no" and explained why.

If you were in fact a Professor--which in the UK and North America means you are ranked with tenure--and quit to write fiction without even an agent, never mind a contract, you deserve that look.

It takes a long time for a novel to start paying. Writing for a living is risky at best; writing fiction for a living without a steady income is dangerous.
 
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Hey, look at that, negativity seems to be following me around these days. Anyway, I use the term Professor generically. My last promotion earned me the title of Associate Professor, meaning no tenure.

And since I have a 15 month old daughter and another one on the way do you really think I'd quit that job if I weren't financially secure enough to do so? I still have two other sources of income (and if the Euro keeps beating the hell out of the Dollar I can even afford a yearly vacation in Hawaii without sweating it much). As it is right now I'm very comfortable and financially secure. I'm not rich, or at least not rich enough to not care about not having a job with a fixed income, but I can live with the same quality of life for many, many years to come even if I don't land a few books deals. Good enough for you or do you want my complete medical history as well?
 

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Actually I get two looks from people who find out I'm writing horror. Either they're ones of unease, as if I must be a completely unstable personality if I'm going to write about such things. Or they're laughing like my brother did when I told him because he said he just couldn't imagine me being scary.
 

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Hey, look at that, negativity seems to be following me around these days. Anyway, I use the term Professor generically. My last promotion earned me the title of Associate Professor, meaning no tenure.

Curious. That's generally not done in the U.S., re: using Professor as a generic, but customs differ.

Good enough for you or do you want my complete medical history as well?

I think you already provided a medical history in a prior post. I'd just let your text speak for you. It's doing that quite well.
 
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This is going off topic now, but assuming you've been to college did you refer to your Professors by their full and proper title (e.g. excuse me Adjunct Professor Smith, or pardon me Assistant Professor Rose) or did you just use the generic form of it? Granted many Profs prefer the "Dr." salutation when speaking directly to them, but still. Or say perhaps you're at a party and you're telling your friends a story about this real hard ass Prof of yours back in the day. Would you say "oh, that Associate Professor Lu was a real prick"?

I see what you're trying to get at here, but I don't see the point of it. If you don't want to believe me that's your right. There's plenty of alter egos on the internet, but I never found it of any importance to care about the true man behind the mask.
 

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PGK,

I guess you're getting a trial by fire here.

Just keep writing... follow the muse no matter how out of the ordinary it is. I certainly do!
 

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I'm there w/LaurieD. Outside the family, only a few know I write.

Told two friends each said I don't read horror. Only they said it so fast it was funny. It was like the mere mention of horror and some evil creature would arise to bite their ass.

My sister was pissed b/c my second draft scared her - couldn't go to sleep.
As my big a sister, she knows she has to read everything, heehee.
*paybacks are juicy fun*
My brother, retired Gunny, said I've a sick, twisted, infestation growing and not to send him horror again.
*bigger then me, I will comply*

No looks here. Yet.
 

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Yeah, that's the other thing about writing horror. Since I don't censor my writing in any way and I have no lines I will not cross I get some pretty strange reactions from the people who have read my stuff. They'll say things like "what's wrong with you?" etc.

That reminds me of a publisher who stated in their website: No Horror containing child abuse, animal abuse, profanity, sex, gratuitous nudity, excessive gore, or misrepresentation of proper Christian values and history.
Should I send you the 10 words that are left in my MS for review then?
 
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