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Female lead is a Christian who is "disconnected" from the dating scene due to past hurts. Male lead is non-Christian, shallow, in "dead" 10 year live-in relationship of convience and struggling with a troubled mid-teen son from prior marriage.

Circumstances bring them together. Their interaction changes his views about what he wants to be as a father and as a man. Then he decides that he wants her to be his woman (of course, after an appropriate brake off of the prior 10 year live-in situation). This means the he has to somehow break down her 'walls'. He does this by using the same techniques that he learned from her in the begining of the book. In the end, they reach a point where she agrees to date him. Not exactly an explicit Happily Ever After, but a major break through for her.

The book isn't overly "girly." I have a male reader right now that actually likes it (there's a good bit of macho maleness in it AND its tackling a couple things that I think men find intriguing)

There is a strong Christianity thread through it. Not sermans, just in the character and some issues are discussed. She sticks to Biblical Christian principles even though they push the boundaries often.

I would like for men to at least consider picking this book up.

I would also like for non-Christians to consider the book.

So... I had been calling it a simple Romance for right now, sometimes a Christian romance... (I know, neither really meets goals above) but given that the HEA isn't really there, what would you call it?

I kind of need to "lock down" the genre so I can write to that market, but I'm at a loss because it seems to straddle. Any thoughts or recommendatons would be appreciated.
 

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I am avidly not a Christian, and would not consider reading any book claiming to be a Christian romance novel-- unless it was totally vetted by my minions. What I see is a one way love story. She wants nothing to do with him. He learned from her and now wants her. Foolishly, I can see nothing but embarassment. He can, through being nice and time win her over. Has this ever happened? Sure. It's still a romance novel. Romance has to do with whether he wins her in the end.
 
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My first thought is just general or contemporary fiction.

No offense meant (I'm just considering the storyline), but it's sounds a bit like something Nicholas Sparks would have written, and I believe his books are just listed as fiction (non genre).
 

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I am avidly not a Christian, and would not consider reading any book claiming to be a Christian romance novel-- unless it was totally vetted by my minions. What I see is a one way love story. She wants nothing to do with him. He learned from her and now wants her. Foolishly, I can see nothing but embarassment. He can, through being nice and time win her over. Has this ever happened? Sure. It's still a romance novel. Romance has to do with whether he wins her in the end.

Thanks for your response. This is what I sort of suspected. The book itself is not promoting Christianity so much as a character is a Christian. So I think I will take your advice and not associate it as a Christian book. Thinking about it, it would likely let down Christian readers since there isn't any real call to God in it.

I can see how my description gave a bad impression of the book as a "one way love story." In the end he actually is quite smart in the way he approaches his goal and he doesn't even try to win her over by being nice. Without getting into a lot of stuff, he recognizes that she is not looking for a "nice lap dog" type, but a man who is a leader.

He isn't mean or bad, but he's definitely not nice. He forces her out of her comfort zone. I guess that's another reason to not use any "romantic" element... there are no long walks on the sand at sunset... its a bit of a psy-op type of story. I guess that would let down the average romance reader.

sigh... I guess general fiction is about as good as it gets.

[FYI psy-op = psychological operations, a type of military approach]
 

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Nicholas Sparks: Literary shelf.

Is this a book title? "Literary Shelf"?

AlleyCat / GothicAngel -

Odd, I'd looked at his "Bend in the Road" recently. For the life of me, I can't remember why, but I was looking at the preview on books.google.com. It's most likely someone complimented the way he handles characters or something. I thought the start and premise of that book was interesting. I also like his writing style. I'll have to check out where his books are shelved in the stores.

Thanks for the input.
 

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as a guy... here's what fails in most romances to appeal to male readers, IMHO. The hero always gives into the girl (even the so called alpha males are pussy-whipped in the end *excuse the term* hehehe). The male lead is impossible to achieve in reality, therefore automatically discarded as someone the reader (a male reader) can identify with... etc.... Romance novels are filled with fantasy men, men who do not exist and could not, because real men are not hard-wired the same as the romance novel hero. Hehehe. I've read hundreds of romance novels, where the author swears their alpha male is different, like a real man... and no, they fall way short... hehehe.. I could go on and on about that... anywho.

You have the basis for a great conflict (christian vs. non-christian)... but I will say this... if the book ends with him giving into her religion... you'll lose almost all your male readers. And not because of the religion, just that the hero always gives up his identity to the heroine, because he cant live with out her (*runs off to vomit* hehehe)... however, If she buckles to him, then she'll put off a lot of female readers too... so be careful with this. Make real characters, who don't have to sacrifice who they are in the name of love!!! That would be a nice change! I'm living proof a christian woman and a non-christian man can make a happily ever after... neither of us had to forfeit who we were and we have major battles over issues from time to time, but that's no different from any other marriage... hehehe... anywho... the key to romance (and it sounds like maybe your book isnt a romance truly) and male readers, is breaking some of the cliche and traditional hero thresholds. And the trick, is not losing any female readers in the process... *sigh*

No offense, but anything with the genre romance on it, will be discounted by most men, no matter how wonderful the story/characters... it's a barrier I've been trying to find a way to crack... but so far, all the answers lead to disassociating the predominantly female readership. Hehehe... I'm getting there though. Anywho... good luck!
 

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Thank you so much for your response. I read this yesterday and thought I'd replied, but you must have gotten into my subconscious. Just posted under "Contemporary" about maintaining male reader interest.

The male lead is impossible to achieve in reality, therefore automatically discarded as someone the reader (a male reader) can identify with... etc.... Romance novels are filled with fantasy men, men who do not exist and could not, because real men are not hard-wired the same as the romance novel hero. Hehehe. I've read hundreds of romance novels, where the author swears their alpha male is different, like a real man... and no, they fall way short... hehehe.. I could go on and on about that... anywho.

My guy is quite average until about the middle of the book. (all that time is character development) He has a nice enough life and is sort of drifting through it. He's not horrible unhappy or happy... just drifting. His "change" comes when he decides what he wants for his life and that he's actually going to go for it.

You have the basis for a great conflict (christian vs. non-christian)... but I will say this... if the book ends with him giving into her religion... you'll lose almost all your male readers. And not because of the religion, just that the hero always gives up his identity to the heroine, because he cant live with out her (*runs off to vomit* hehehe)...however, If she buckles to him, then she'll put off a lot of female readers too...

Well, in the end, HE changes HER by pushing her beyond where she thought she could go. He also doesn't get saved and that is the reason that he doesn't get the girl in the end. (the unequally yoked thing)

Make real characters, who don't have to sacrifice who they are in the name of love!!!

I couldn't agree more! I hate the novels that start out with a guy who's larger than life and then gives it up to apease his love. I don't think character can shrink like that. I like to think that both of my characters grow. In the begining, the my guy subconsciously yearns for growth and she helps him realize the path he wants to take. She, OTOH, wasn't really looking for growth, but its something that is needed, then welcomed in her life.

I'm living proof a christian woman and a non-christian man can make a happily ever after... neither of us had to forfeit who we were and we have major battles over issues from time to time, but that's no different from any other marriage...

I'm happy to read this!

the key to romance (and it sounds like maybe your book isnt a romance truly)

Yes, I've figured out that this WIP is not romance for a couple reasons.
- He doesn't get the girl in the traditional sense (such is life)
- There's actually a larger non-romantic aspect to the story line

Thanks again for your input. This is a huge learning process for me.
 
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