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Hi everyone, has anyone used software to help them like Storybase or New Novelist software? I am thinking I might want to try it. I was reading the reviews on each of them and I like the Storybase software the best. I haven't made up mind if I should get it. I just wanted to know if anyone has tried it and what they think of it before I get it.

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Hmm, I'm very sceptical of software, generally. They tend to get in the way of your creativity. I like two programs, and half-like one. The ones I like are Scrivener for the Mac and StoryBox for windows. The one I half-like is Liquid Story Binder.

The reason for the half-like, and not the full-like, is that LSE is very, very complex.

Now, what does the other ones do? They sit there and let you organically grow your stories; from your head, down on paper. They do not get in your way, they do not pop up dialog boxes that MUST be answered. They sit there, show blank pages, and let you organise your thoughts.

But you have to do all the work - they only allow you to rearrange what you've thought out. They don't "help you write the Perfect Novel". They make no such claim. StoryBox and the New Novelist Software does promise that, and they'll drown you with dialogboxes, questions, multiple-choice answers that will keep you from writing the darn story.
 

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I haven't found a package that's good at writing, organizing, and plotting all at the same time. I tried NewNovelist, Storybase, StorYbook and yWriter. I hated the first two, simply because they were no more than glorified Notepad applications with a plot model straightjacket. StorYbook (free) is better at organizing scenes, characters, events, and timelines but those features come at the cost of an overly complex UI.

I currently use yWriter (free) combined with MS Word. yWriter has a much simpler interface centered around chapters and scene, and has minimal tools for organizing notes, characters and such.

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I love Scrivener. Tried really hard to find alternatives for Windows, but couldn't do it. None of the other programs were any where as clean and easy to use.

Ulysses was pretty good, but it's also Mac only.

I was lucky I had my wife's old mac mini (she hated Mac OS) in the attic, so now it's my Scrivener machine.:)
 
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I love Scrivner. Tried really hard to find alternatives for Windows, but couldn't do it. None of the other programs were any where as clean and easy to use.

Ulysses was pretty good, but it's also Mac only.

I was lucky I had my wife's old mac mini in the attic that she hated, so now it's my Scrivner machine.:)

Try StoryBox. It's free, and it's like a mini-scrivener. Not as flashy, mind you, and unless you pay the developer you'll have nag-boxes.
 

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I thought that getting some neat, for-writers software would help my writing. All it did was distract me. In the end I stuck with Word because it works and I know how to use it.
 

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The general rule for computer hardware and software: crap in = crap out. Computers and their various software programs are excellent for organizing and number crunching. Generally, they will not go beyond what they have been programmed to do, which is why there is always a need for a human interface for any highly creative activity. Why not bypass the middleman and just write your story? Too much time is spent tying to find the perfect writing program, the perfect writing environment, the perfect writing time, making sure the pencils are sharp and the coffee is hot, and that you are wearing those special underwear with the skidmark in the shape of Hemmingway's beard.
 

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About that skidmark....

I've been using Word Perfect 9 practically since it came out (stole it from my dear old dad).
That's kind of the same thing, right? As the skidmark, I mean...
 

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Get yWriter. Not intrusive, easy to manipulate and best of all--Free. Then take NeuroFizz's advice and sit thee down and write. Do not ever depend upon any software to do the writing for you.

Create your own skidmark---BIC and write!
 

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I've used both storybase and newnovelist. (They're totally different from each other - storybase you put in up to three characters' names and it gives you plot suggestions (which you can filter by theme or emotion if you have a vague idea what type of plot events you want). Newnovelist is a hero's journey plot template, which is only useful if you are writing a hero's journey type story, with a clear hero-protagonist and villain-antagonist.

Personally I think Dramatica is the most interesting of the currently available writer's aid software - it's the most complicated, so I think it's the most likely for people to find some aspect of it useful or educational. But we've had this question several times on AW, you should search and see if you can find some of the older threads.
 

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If you have a Mac, use Scrivener. It's so good. So so good. I love it so much.

Sucks if you have Windows though.


I googled scrivner for windows and came up with something called Page Four. It's not as fancy as the Mac program, but it's simple and works well. I downloaded the free version this morning and love it so far.
 

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Thanks everyone for your input. I am going to look up WriteWay and see how that is.

Thanks again.
 

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I have Dramatica Pro, ywriter and Liquid Story Binder. A bit on each below.

I use LSB regularly to keep stuff organised. My stories often have an historical component or a made-up-world component requiring intensive research and design, so I always have a lot of files to look after -- 50 or 60 files per project in multiple versions is not unusual. LSB is way better than just using folders, but the user interface is amateurish, unintuitive and irritating. They spend effort tweaking functions, but haven't much improved the user interface in recent years -- which is where I think the effort is really needed. If you just bought LSB to edit a manuscript file on a Windows platform, I reckon you'd do better with Wordpad or ywriter (see below).

Ywriter is another organisation/editing tool. It's less good with managing files, but does a good job of managing scenes and chapters. It's free, and updated regularly. Its main problem is that it's the work of one guy -- who also writes fiction -- and there's only so much he can do to develop it. I love how it works, but I always want it to do more.

Dramatic Pro is not a writer's organisation/editing tool but a story design methodology packaged as software. One can't really critique the tool without first critiquing the methodology, so my comments are a bit lengthier.

Dramatica's methodology is theme-driven, which makes it great for the exactly 15.2% of all writers who start with themes, useful for another 49.8% who start with characters and nearly useless for the 34.9% who start with plot (*). It's built on a couple of simple, clever ideas which have been mystified almost to the point of religion, and they offer nearly as many books and courses as Scientologists. The methodology isn't fully integrated -- it's several disparate ideas that don't quite connect so you can find one part of the method useful, and another part utterly irrelevant.

It's more a ground-up design tool than an analytic or editing tool -- you can analyse a synopsis or outline and it may give you some insights, but it won't tell you about your manuscript, and it won't much help your WIP if you didn't start your WIP with it. It has some really good examples though, based on analysis of famous movies and books.

The software is 1990s technology and needs a solid overhaul; the user interface is amateurish and under-invested (but this seems to be common in writing tools: they either try and look good or do good, but seldom both at once).

As a themey, planny sort of writer, I use Dramatica for around 25% of my stories -- especially when I'm having trouble getting from theme to plot I'll sometimes play with Dramatica design, work out which bits I like and which bits I don't, then take it to outlining in some other tool like LSB, using my writerly sense to build on the framework. That seems to work quite well. I've never completed a full ground-up design in Dramatica and in its current form I doubt I ever will. [I suppose that makes me a Dramatica Heretic. :)]

Hope that helps -- or something. :)

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I have four words for people who use Windows: "Get a real computer." :evil
My company supplies my computer, and businesses buy computers to run software, not to admire operating systems. Why buy an Apple so it can pretend it's not an Apple so it can run the software for which you originally purchased a computer anyway?
 

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I have four words for people who use Windows: "Get a real computer." :evil

I like Macs and am happy and comfortable using them when the occasion arises. But I am obligated to use specialized software for my technical business applications which simply is not available on the Mac platform. Word-processing is such a simple process that it just doesn't matter one way or the other. So I use PCs most of the time. My business partner is a Mac guy, so I sometimes work on his system, but all the number-crunching and graphic interpretation necessary has to be done on my system.

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Hackintosh.
 

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Didn't we just have this discussion in Novels?
 
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