Two storylines, one book. Two audiences?

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Soo...

My novel, which I am finally resolving to finish (mostly 'cos I want to pay for college myself and I'm thinking an advance isn't a bad way to go)...

But I think there may be two audiences.

And I'm not sure who I should pitch to.

Here's a rough synopsis: (putting it in white to discourrage t3h spammerz)

The novel begins in the year 2025, with the introduction of a new
government that promises to protect children, called Project Hai-Zi. It
originally begins in America, with the initiative growing. It is accepted
unanimously in Asia, not so much in Europe. This leads to animosity
between the two continents. However, a French family named Delacroix
joins Hai-Zi and moves to America. Renee Delacroix grows and endures
three years of training, starting at age 10. At around 13, she is
inducted into Roger Eltrain's assassin squad, which is somewhat
reminiscent of janissaries. Roger Eltrain is the new (I haven't thought
of his title yet, not using President. Thinking about using Prime
Minister) leader of America, after working his way up the ladder for over
thirty years. He takes charge of Renee and uses her to do his bidding.

To ensure her total compliance, however, he erases all of her old life.
This includes orchestrating a domestic attack directed at his base,
resulting in the deaths of her mother and father. This attack is covered
up and excused as a terrorist act, and political prisoners are executed in
reprisal.

Four years later, we are introduced to Jessie Sandber and her family.
Jessie is a Hai-Zi soldier, now serving her third year of service at the
age of eighteen. Jessie is married to Steve Sandber, who maintains an
almost aggressive stance against Hai-Zi. The two are in Poland, in the
process of adopting their infant niece. The young girl's parents are
Jessie's sister, and a man who is violently against Hai-Zi, and may have
been involved in the Dallas attacks and escaped punishment. Jessie,
believing what she has been told, murders him in cold blood while in
interrogation.

Fourteen years after that, we get a glimpse of Jessie's niece. She is
Sydney Lipsky (NOTE: This wasn't supposed to be her original name. I gave
her that name as a placeholder until I found something better. It
stuck.), recognized and accredited genius. Syd has spent her days, when
not in school, as a con artist and smuggler. The first time we see her,
we see that she is hooking up a car battery to an electric fence at
Hai-Zi's main base in Washington D.C. She climbs the fence and sneaks
into one of the barracks, providing them with contraband items.


So yeah, if someone could kindly help, that would be awesome. :D
 

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I'm not completely sure which two genre you are thinking of. The cliche that jumps out at me is the 13-year-old assassin, so it might be a YA spy story. On the other hand, the political plot might be a little unexciting for such an audience. I can't honestly tell you what to do. You know your characters, see what sort of changes they would be willing to make to help the story take root somewhere.

I hope this helps in some way.
 

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I think it sounds quite political and could be quite interesting- except the thirteen-year old sounds a bit like the average fantasy heroine. Personally I'd aim it at adults, seeing as teenagers read adult books anyway.
 

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To me it sounds somewhat similar to anime called Gunslinger Girls, though not necessarily in plot, just in tone. So...aim for the Anime audience? I dunno, that's all I've got. :/
 

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Just go with the YA audience.
 

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Drop everything except the 14-years-later section.

That's your novel. The rest is backstory.

For a moment there I was saying "WAIT WHAT?!? NO!" thinking you were saying to get rid of what may basically amount to be a quarter of my novel.
 

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For a moment there I was saying "WAIT WHAT?!? NO!" thinking you were saying to get rid of what may basically amount to be a quarter of my novel.

No, I actually am saying get rid of the other stuff.

Sydney is your main character. Start with her, stay with her. You need to know the backstory, but whether the readers need to be told, and how much they need to be told, is another question.

Readers need far less backstory than most people think.
 

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For a moment there I was saying "WAIT WHAT?!? NO!" thinking you were saying to get rid of what may basically amount to be a quarter of my novel.

I think you should do it in two parts. It seems to me that you have two generations here- one is Jessie and Roger Eltrain, the other is Sydney and Renee. You could either do it Part 1 and Part 2, weave the two stories together, or just drop in some backstory. Personally I'd go for one of the first two options because your political organisation and its power are certainly very interesting and the events that have gone beforehand are too interesting and complex to just dismiss or relegate to backstory.
 

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I think you should do it in two parts. It seems to me that you have two generations here- one is Jessie and Roger Eltrain, the other is Sydney and Renee. You could either do it Part 1 and Part 2, weave the two stories together, or just drop in some backstory. Personally I'd go for one of the first two options because your political organisation and its power are certainly very interesting and the events that have gone beforehand are too interesting and complex to just dismiss or relegate to backstory.

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Now get out of my head. :D
 

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Soo...

My novel, which I am finally resolving to finish (mostly 'cos I want to pay for college myself and I'm thinking an advance isn't a bad way to go)...

I'm not published, but I'm pretty sure that while debut novels occasionally bring in college-scale money, there is next to no chance that you'll get anything on that scale in an advance. That's not making any assumptions about your skill or your story, just the assumption that publishers won't make unreasonable investments.

But I think there may be two audiences.


What two audiences do you have in mind? The fact that your sympathetic characters, at least when their stories are active, are teenage girls seems to place you firmly in a young-adult niche. You can transcend it, but that's where you seem to default.

Anyway, I don't see where the first story and the last connect. If that's the big revelation around which you're building everything, I'd suggest that you start firmly in the second and have the character actively interact with the remnants of the past story in some way, with little or no use of flashback/journal entry, because the temptation to just tell the whole story (when you really don't have to) is strong.
 

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I agree with Uncle Jim that the 14 years later is where you should start. The rest can be summed up with a little bit of information IF it seems necessary when those other characters come in.

I also agree with Lady Ice that you should aim it at adults. Any teens reading about assassins and political assholery will want it laid out clean, and not muddied up with teen stuff. They'll supply their own teen stuff as they read it anyway. That's not to say you can't throw in a little teenage angst and problems like that, just that you can get away with not focussing on those things quite so much. In my mind, a teenage assassin who's lost her parents is going to be a bit more adult than a lot of adults nowadays, but then the whole teen thing will probably come up at some point, such as how people treat her when they don't know she's an assassin.

What POV are you writing this in?
 

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I agree with Uncle Jim that the 14 years later is where you should start. The rest can be summed up with a little bit of information IF it seems necessary when those other characters come in.

I also agree with Lady Ice that you should aim it at adults. Any teens reading about assassins and political assholery will want it laid out clean, and not muddied up with teen stuff. They'll supply their own teen stuff as they read it anyway. That's not to say you can't throw in a little teenage angst and problems like that, just that you can get away with not focussing on those things quite so much. In my mind, a teenage assassin who's lost her parents is going to be a bit more adult than a lot of adults nowadays, but then the whole teen thing will probably come up at some point, such as how people treat her when they don't know she's an assassin.

What POV are you writing this in?

Third omni. Sort of like the Da Vinci Code.
 

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I think you should do it in two parts. It seems to me that you have two generations here- one is Jessie and Roger Eltrain, the other is Sydney and Renee. You could either do it Part 1 and Part 2, weave the two stories together, or just drop in some backstory. Personally I'd go for one of the first two options because your political organisation and its power are certainly very interesting and the events that have gone beforehand are too interesting and complex to just dismiss or relegate to backstory.
I agree. I want to read more about that political scenario and the first set of characters but when you tag on a separate story like that, with a set of characters that barely have anything to do with the first, it starts to look messy. Maybe this could be a series?

From what you described, it reminds me somewhat of the TV series 'Dark Angel', which is classed as a cyberpunk science-fiction. I'm not sure either term quite fits but the common theme seems to be the megacorporation (depending on the exact government type and how they came to power), which puts it under the header of speculative fiction.

I hope I get to read more some day.
 

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College money? Don't count on it. The advance will probably be next to nothing. (Royalties might be big bucks, you know, and it's always fun to dream, but you should get a summer job.)
 

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Here's a rough synopsis: (putting it in white to discourrage t3h spammerz)
This is the part I don't get. What meanest thou? Like, what has text color got to do with anything but making it harder for us ordinary humans to read?

If it turns out to be a best-seller, you might be able to pay off student loans in less than ten years.
 

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College money? Don't count on it. The advance will probably be next to nothing. (Royalties might be big bucks, you know, and it's always fun to dream, but you should get a summer job.)

My college is only around $6k a year, so.... :p
 

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My college is only around $6k a year, so.... :p

Go back and read Jim's post #13.

I sold a four-book series on my own (no agent) to a mid-sized publisher, and in four years, I've not netted $6,000.

Even if you sold the book tomorrow, you wouldn't likely make $6,000 in the first year. Advances are usually paid in two or three chunks, and with the way publishing is slow, those two or three chunks can easily come in separate years.
 

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I agree with looking into other routes for college as well. There are a lot of grants available if your family doesn't have the money, and you can look into scholarships, work study programs, and student loans to cover the rest. You should also keep in mind that even if you did manage to get published (first novelists normally don't get that much for an advance), while in college you aren't going to have as much time to write, particularly depending on your major (I studied English and psychology...psychology didn't take up much of my time to be honest, but I regularly had two days two read two hundred pages for English classes, and I had no life outside of studying sometimes). Just trying to point out that even if you did sell something, you might have a harder time finding the time to write and edit while you're in school, so getting out work quickly enough to pay for anything is not going to be easy.

I don't really get what you mean about two audiences, and honestly I'm not entirely sure I understand the plot. It sounds to me like what you've listed is back story like Uncle Jim said, and I'm pretty much at a loss as to what the actual story is about. If you're trying to decide if it's YA or adult...hm...

It sounds like a lot of this is very political. If you're writing for a YA audience, I imagine it's easier to gloss over that, though if you're doing it as an adult novel, you might need to put in more detail about the political situation and what not, which could be hard to pull off depending on how good an understanding of international politics you have.

As for a thirteen-year-old assassin, honestly I'm always intrigued by the idea of a child assassin, though not done in the, "Wow she's so awesome and cool" sort of way...I tend to prefer the omg this kid is so frakked up style. Could be an interesting concept though.
 

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If it turns out to be a best-seller, you might be able to pay off student loans in less than ten years.


This.

I didn't start writing to pay for college, even though I'm attending next year (took a year off to take some math and work my butt off) but this thought crossed my mind. I later woke up and realized that a loan was far more sensible (if not also painful). All it really means is you'll make a sum on the side, in the average case scenario, nothing really big or fantastic will be paid out unless you hit the g-spot (excuse the innuendo) of publishing like everybody's favorite author of terrible crap, Stephanie Meyer.

But I digress.

Prologues and epilogues are always a possibility. I know it might kill you to condense anything, but that 14-years later bit sounded more of an epilogue that sets up the next book to me than anything else.

Hope that helped.
 
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