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I think this is so shady! And the brand dilution will hurt Harlequin more than most other publishers, because consumers don't typically notice publishing imprints...but they do know Harlequin.
 

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I note that they've "partnered" with Author Solutions.

I'm really really disappointed in Harlequin Enterprises; I used to consider them a publisher that supported novice writers, rather than exploited them.
 

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Hmm wasn't there a Christian publisher that partnered with author solutions? I know Harlequin is all about the bottom line but really. How come they launch Carina - where there will be editing - avoiding using the Harlequin name. Then they set up a self-pub with the Harlequin name? Talk about brand dilution.
 

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What the...my respect for Harlequin just plummeted. A lot.

Let me qualify: there's nothing wrong with self-publishing in certain circumstances, or for certain writers. But for a major publisher like Harlequin to use their name and reputation like this...I'm sure that many people are going to assume that with a name like Harlequin behind them, self-publishing will be the road to the "big time" for them...
 

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Maybe we should all relax. They've had imprints open & close before, because the readership wasn't what the bean counters told them it would be. Now, anyone who'd like to see this endeavor come and go rather quickly, raise their hand...
 

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I said this in the other thread, but I'm curious to see how RWA reacts to this news...

Otherwise, I find it sad.

RWA has declared HQN ineligible. They'll no longer be able to take pitches at, give a spotlight at, or sponsor the National convention.

Maybe we should all relax. They've had imprints open & close before, because the readership wasn't what the bean counters told them it would be. Now, anyone who'd like to see this endeavor come and go rather quickly, raise their hand...

Like to see, yes. Thinks it's likely? Not so much. The readership doesn't matter in this venture - it's all profit for them, even if a book never sells. Not only are they taking fees from the writers who vanity publish through them, they're also only giving the authors 50% net.
 

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Harlequin Enterprises

I've been pretty vocal about what I think of RWA, but this time, I'm impressed. Really.

And I think it sucks that Harlequin threw their authors under the bus with this stupid vanity venture.
 

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Harlequin Enterprises

I've been pretty vocal about what I think of RWA, but this time, I'm impressed. Really.

And I think it sucks that Harlequin threw their authors under the bus with this stupid vanity venture.


I'm not an RWA member, for many other reasons.. but this only affirms that decision. Why would I pay membership to a writers organization that has disqualified THEE largest publisher of my genre????

Seems like cutting my opportunities in half, without even trying! *shrugs* this whole thing really makes no nevermind to me... I guess I don't understand the outrage.. I think this decision will hurt the RWA far more than it will HQN.

I mean no offense... but say... HQN decides "Oh yeah? Well, we've decided to disqualify all RWA members for publication consideration".... ??? It seems to me that the RWA would have been far wiser to stay neutral on a "wait and see what happens"... rather than response thats seems more like a quick, flustered angry retort against the biggest powerhouse in their industry... just my opinion.
 

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Now, anyone who'd like to see this endeavor come and go rather quickly, raise their hand...

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I'm not an RWA member, for many other reasons.. but this only affirms that decision. Why would I pay membership to a writers organization that has disqualified THEE largest publisher of my genre????

I may not agree with RWA's principles, but at least they stuck to them. If they rejected my publishers but accepted Harlequin doing the exact same thing, and much worse, they would be world class hypocrites. If Harlequin counterattacked like that it would be the beginning of the end for them. Harlequin is a behemoth, but they are not invincible.
 

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I may not agree with RWA's principles, but at least they stuck to them. If they rejected my publishers but accepted Harlequin doing the exact same thing, and much worse, they would be world class hypocrites. If Harlequin counterattacked like that it would be the beginning of the end for them. Harlequin is a behemoth, but they are not invincible.


That's a good point. At least they stick to their principles. I just think there is way too much assumption about how Harlequin will treat their stable of authors (the paid ones) as a result of this vanity publishing division. They make wayyyyyy too much money to allow it to cut into that... They will continue to treat their talent like gold... That's my take on it. It wouldn't make business sense to do otherwise. However, opening a vanity division does... it makes perfect golden business sense.

Anywho. That's my humble 2 cents on it
 

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Brindle, this is how it will now work, IMO:

Established authors with proven sales record---->continue to be published in mainstream.

Everyone else, unless their talent or fame absolutely GUARANTEES sales--->rejection and referral to their vanity press. That route guarantees money, right? Even if the author never sells a single copy, Harlequin Horizons will remain profitable. And IF the author proves to have traction, then they get in on a piece of the action. Except now Harlequin is bargaining from a position of strength. They know the author was prepared to PAY to have their work become printed.

IMO, if enough people go the vanity press route, it will continue to erode any chance of an author obtaining an advance and traditional publishing.

Those are the risks.
 

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Brindle, this is how it will now work, IMO:


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Those are the risks.

I disagree, respectfully. Harlequin did not become the biggest romance publisher of all, by dismissing talent. They won't switch to any model that shoves talent off to their competitors, rather than get sucked into a vanity press. Those with true talent, will know better and either test those waters, then move on quickly, or avoid it altogether. It would be poor business savvy to risk losing top talent the way you suggest. They made millions by taking chances on no-name, unproven, no sales, authors and I believe... will continue to do so.

But that's my belief.


My point is simply that people are jumping conclusions about Harlequin's business decisions. Harlequin has not made any such announcements that would support some of the views I see popping up.

I think people should step back, take a deep breath and watch. The whole industry is evolving very quickly in this modern electronic age, and so far, I've been impressed with Harlequin's adaptation to it over their competitors. I think that alone lends me more cause to trust that Harlequin didnt make a foolhardy decision here. I dunno... I can't see the future, but the past shows me, Harlequin is pretty darn smart!
 

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I think people should step back, take a deep breath and watch. The whole industry is evolving very quickly in this modern electronic age, and so far, I've been impressed with Harlequin's adaptation to it over their competitors. I think that alone lends me more cause to trust that Harlequin didnt make a foolhardy decision here. I dunno... I can't see the future, but the past shows me, Harlequin is pretty darn smart!

As I understand it from the online forums I visit, the "Horizons" books would NOT sport the Harlequin name in any form---logo, name or address. But honestly, I think the price tag ($1,599) is going to turn off most people who are thinking about doing this. That puts them up with Trafford and Tate in price.
 

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As I understand it from the online forums I visit, the "Horizons" books would NOT sport the Harlequin name in any form---logo, name or address. But honestly, I think the price tag ($1,599) is going to turn off most people who are thinking about doing this. That puts them up with Trafford and Tate in price.


The books may or may not, but I suspect the authors will. Given how many would-be romance writers dream of writing for HQ, what's to stop them from hyping themselves as HQ authors if they're published through Harlequin Horizons?
 

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From what I understand, the roots of RWA's various forms of recognition of publishers go back decades to concerns that predatory publishers (comparable to the most reviled publishers in the Bewares section here) were using RWA and its conferences to find authors, who were then duped into thinking the publisher was legit, b/c, after all, the author had met the publisher at an RWA-sponsored conference, and the publisher had even been sponsored, in a sense, by RWA (which comped their fees, provided space, etc.) So, RWA needed to establish some sort of rules for the publishers who would receive their support at conferences and in other forms of recognition by the organization.

There can -- and is -- a lot of disagreement about whether the distinctions RWA makes today are appropriate, but I think there is general agreement that RWA (using its members' dues) should not be spending money to enable predatory publishers to prey on its members. Ergo, the one clear line is that a vanity publisher's presence at a conference will not be supported by RWA monies.

It's tricky when one company has both a vanity and non-vanity division. If they're clearly distinguishable, it might be possible to make that distinction and endorse one and not the other. But here, there's no clear distinction, b/c of the branding (which Harlequin denies will be presented to readers, but it will be presented to authors, who are RWA's constituency). If Harlequin has a division that is not clearly distinguished from the non-vanity divisions (at the author-pitch level), then there's a serious risk that if RWA underwrites Harlequin's presence at the conference, then RWA is facilitating Harlequin Horizons' pitching to RWA members. And that's something that, I believe, no professionally-minded romance author (the definition of RWA's membership) wants.

This is a difficult situation for everyone. It can't be easy for the RWA board members. It's obviously upsetting (something of an understatement) to existing Harlequin authors (and my head hurts just thinking of the grief that will come from people trying to distinguish the "real" Harlequin authors from the vanity Harlequin authors). I really wouldn't want to be one of the employees of Harlequin who didn't create this mess, but are facing the flak (primarily the editors in the trenches, dealing with authors directly). Even the folks who had this not-so-bright idea are in a tough spot, because they've undoubtedly locked themselves into an untenable legal/contractual position.

It's a mess. And I'm so very sorry that some really wonderful, creative people are being hurt by the mess.

JD
 

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As I understand it from the online forums I visit, the "Horizons" books would NOT sport the Harlequin name in any form---logo, name or address. But honestly, I think the price tag ($1,599) is going to turn off most people who are thinking about doing this. That puts them up with Trafford and Tate in price.

Honestly Harlequin is being very disingenuous about this thing. The books will have a HH logo. What does the first H stand for? If not Harlequin. The logo makes me think Harlequin Historicals. The name is similar to all their traditional lines, enough so that people will think it is the traditional arm. How are they going to stop people saying they are published by Harlequin Horizons? The prices start at $600 and rises up.

There is some Q&A here: http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/200...ctor-answers-questions-on-harlequin-horizons/

I have no problem with self publishing but Harlequin has set up a subsidy press selling snake oil to unsuspecting authors who trust them because of their reputation.
 

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They made millions by taking chances on no-name, unproven, no sales, authors and I believe... will continue to do so.

But that's my belief.

Has anyone crunched the numbers yet? I'm curious.

For ex; Their slushpiles now. How much money on avg does HQ lay out for a title (advance, production, etc.)? On taking a chance on those no-name, unproven, no sales authors?

And then I wonder, as they said they'd possibly consider HH titles that did well--how many HH authors could they sign for the same cost as one of the above? You know, HH authors who bought expensive packages and did well and signed those contracts. (I use well loosely.)

Carina Press, too. Those contracts take everything, no? An author that did well on Carina? If HQ went to print w/it...how many?

Heh. A bit of an aside, but can you imagine what would happen if they did sign some HH titles or their traditional slush got even more competitive. How many more people might publish with HH trying to buy their way to HQ. *shaking head*
 
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As I understand it from the online forums I visit, the "Horizons" books would NOT sport the Harlequin name in any form---logo, name or address. But honestly, I think the price tag ($1,599) is going to turn off most people who are thinking about doing this. That puts them up with Trafford and Tate in price.

It starts at something like $600, but even so, I think it'll be shocking how many people choose that route. And I'm sure, once they do, they'll run all over talking about their "Harlequin published book!" It won't matter that the Harlequin name isn't on the cover/spine. The authors who take make that choice will be perfectly legit talking about their "Harlequin" connections; they'll have paid for the right.

I had a co-worker "pub" with Publish America. Wouldn't listen to balanced positions. She was convinced it was legit, and conveyed a judgement of merit for her book. I can't help but mentally over-lay her situation to this one.
 
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