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Okay, I'll start - did anyone else watch The Prisoner last night? I knew it was going to be confusing but....OY!

My husband watched the original when it was out and said there's no comparison.

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I heard The Prisioner was updated for the current political clime, but we don't have cable.

Guess, I'll keep watching my taped copies.
 

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I like it. It's confusing but it keeps me guessing and already I'm making up theories. That's a good thing. I've never seen the original and I told my friends NOT to tell me what happened in that one.

I know it was relevant in the 60s -- during the cultural clashes, wars, political uncertainties/unrests, etc. -- when the original aired. I think they did upgrade this one to reflect the current world (i.e. fear, conformity, free will, etc.)
 
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Updated, but not improved.

I'll rewatch the first ep and watch a few more to see if it grows on me.

I liked the original, or at least my dad did. I vaguely remember it, but it was strange, mysterious, seemed more minimalistic than this does. And Patrick McGoohan fit the role much better than this guy does.

I'm wondering if this generation doesn't have any original ideas and that's why they keep retooling stuff from the 60s.
 
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I'm wondering if this generation doesn't have any original ideas and that's why they keep retooling stuff from the 60s.

I used to think it was about the money, regarding this, but now... I can't even call it. I mean it's not like The Prisoner was some extremely well-known and mega-popular, sure-fire hit. It's a challenging, confusing, unique work that's a hard sell. I don't know... maybe it's about a lack of original ideas, maybe an over-obsession with the things they liked growing up and wished they could have been a part of, maybe money, maybe a combo of it all, but it's baffling.
 

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I agree with the ferret guy. This guy seems to be screaming "LEMME OUTTA HEEAH!" every 30 seconds, whereas the original kept trying to beat them at their own mind games in his efforts to escape. Number Six Original Recipe is much more intellectual to Number Six Redux's emotional.

Giving the current residents of the Village identities beyond their numbers -- mother, father, wife, husband, child -- gives them too much of an identity and robs the current story of the insidious nature that played through the original. Granted, you did have doctors, shopkeepers, scientists, etc., in the original but that's all you knew them as. Here, 147 is father, husband, and taxi driver.

Too many people want to escape in this version. In the original, you had enough people who were content to stay that made you question why they wanted to, what was so gosh darn spiffy about the Village. You knew why Number Six wanted to book it, but what would have compelled him to remain?

And since Number Two wasn't very consistent, changing in almost every episode, you lose that sense of disconnect. If the Village is so gosh darn perfect, why the heck couldn't they keep a Number Two on the job for very long? Were they replaced each time Number Six managed to crack their veneer and Number One was impatient?

And if the redux goes the way I'm afaid it will, AMC will owe me a new TV because I will throw heavy objects at the one we currently have.
 

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I used to think it was about the money, regarding this, but now... I can't even call it. I mean it's not like The Prisoner was some extremely well-known and mega-popular, sure-fire hit.
It wasn't even remotely successful, if I recall. It only lasted one year.

Things that bug me about this episode:

Why was he in the desert to start with? If he was captured, like Patrick McGoohan, for resigning and sent here, wouldn't he have awoken in his HOME?

That old man. He was running from men and dogs (I could hear them barking). They even seemed CLOSE, didn't they? In once scene I thought both the pursued and pursuers were in the same shot.

Then our man 6 runs up to the old man UNSEEN. Is able to PICK HIM UP and run away and hide WITHOUT being seen, shot at, or captured. OK. I'm willing to suspend belief, but c'mon.

Giving the current residents of the Village identities beyond their numbers -- mother, father, wife, husband, child -- gives them too much of an identity and robs the current story of the insidious nature that played through the original. Granted, you did have doctors, shopkeepers, scientists, etc., in the original but that's all you knew them as. Here, 147 is father, husband, and taxi driver.

Too many people want to escape in this version. In the original, you had enough people who were content to stay that made you question why they wanted to, what was so gosh darn spiffy about the Village. You knew why Number Six wanted to book it, but what would have compelled him to remain?
Yes. I noticed the family thing and it bugged me but I couldn't figure out WHY it bugged me until you said it gives them too much identity.

And yes, I don't recall any Resistence in the original. Only 6 wanted out. Only he was the one who seemed to remember the outside.
 
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I do agree that 6 is irritating. If I were to solve a mystery and trying to get out of there, I definitely wouldn't be screaming at the person IN CHARGE trying to get myself (and everyone around me) killed every chance I have. This guy just looks and acts so dumb.
 

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Number 6 and Number 2, regardless of who it was, always seemed to be in a metaphorical staring match, waiting for the other to blink so they could gain that important first advantage.
 

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One of the reasons the original Prisoner was such a cult hit was because it was the first (or one of the first) tv shows to bend reality -- to mix surrealistic events with down to earth ones, to give hints without ever revealing the truth, to be ambiguous about and suggest conspiracies everywhere. At the time, ground breaking.

Now, that trope is common -- think Lost, or Fringe (I think, I haven't seen it) or even X files.

So, it's no longer innovative as a concept, and so will have to stand or fall on its storyline and acting.
 

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I'm old enough to recall the original Prisoner. It ran the summer of 1968, and eveyone knew going in it was going to be a limited run series. In other words unlike, say, Lost, there would BE an ending (we all hoped; we being the high school nerds who were watching).

As I recall it was a spinoff of McGoohan's first series, Secret Agent. That's why at each episode's beginning you saw him resigning in protest, and then once he was home he was knocked out by gas. He awoke in the Village, and in each subsequent episode he fought back by outthinking his captors. The general consensus was The Prisioner was Kafka for the masses. I agree ... and I liked it.

That said, this new thing looks like a train wreck, and I'll pass, thank you.
 

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I know it was relevant in the 60s -- during the cultural clashes, wars, political uncertainties/unrests, etc. -- when the original aired. I think they did upgrade this one to reflect the current world (i.e. fear, conformity, free will, etc.)

I have not seen this new one yet. But those themes you mentioned are certainly present in the original.

I absolutely LOVED the original series. Here is one interesting thing I do know about it: Patrick McGoohan had conceived it as a mini-series, except that there was no such thing as a mini-series back then. So the network wouldn't let him so one. It was cancelled before the season was over, and McGoohan was livid, because he'd been forced to stick a bunch of filler in there, only to have it abruptly cancelled. For this reason, it can be considered the first ever mini-series, but the later episodes have a lot of extraneous stuff, because McGoohan was running out of ideas. This is one possible reason why they would want to remake it, because it is a brilliant mini-series, but a bloated one.

Fans of the original series might like to read the DC comic 4 part graphic novel that takes place after the series. It is official, and gives a very interesting intrepretation of the bizarre final episode.

Also, there are two things McGoohan stated privately about the series 1) the character is the same character from Secret Agent and 2) why he resigned.
 

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Not sure how many other people this may affect, but I've got Verizon FiOS, and on the Video on Demand channels, under AMC Series and Specials, the 1967 Original Series is available (this week they have Episodes 6,7,8, and 9)

Also, there was a PBS presentation from Canada (Ontario TV) called "The Prisoner Puzzle" which had each episode without commercials followed by the remainder of the hour filled with a talking head discussing the episode and its relationship to other episodes. There was a book with the same title that was to be used as a companion work.
 

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Re: On The Prisoner being a mini-series. I thought it was a British import.

BBC, at least back then, had a habit of presenting short contained series of 4-6-8 episodes. So, the original was complete as shown. Not canceled like US TV bombs.
 

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Back in 1968, there was no such concept as "miniseries." The original Prisoner was just a "canceled" series.
 

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OK, I saw the whole thing. Can anyone tell me what the crack did I just see? I don't understand it, and I don't think I'm that dumb.
 

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I just smile and nod when people talk about the Prisoner.

Either that or go, "WE NEED INFORMATION."

Its my second favorite non sequitur, right before "ZARDOZ! ZARDOZ SPEAKS TO YOU, HIS CHOSEN ONES! THE GUN IS GOOD!" and right after "Roll Fizzlebeef."

In other news, people looking at me funny has jumped by almost 250%.