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cptwentworth

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I read that publishers will only promote an author's new release for the first sixty days (assuming you're not Dan Brown), and then it is up to the author to get their name out there.

Is this true? How is that done? You have your own web site. How else does one promote themselves? Does the author set up book signings, assuming anyone would even know who you were and want a copy of your book. How else do you self-promote?
 

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Most of the promotion appears to be pre-release and some post release.
 

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Where did you read that? :)

<smack> I should be able to tell you that. It was recently, but I just can't remember. I'll have to research that. It was pre and post release, two months.

I just didn't know how an author chooses to promote himself the other days of the year that he still wants his book to sell well.
 

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It's a big topic. It might help to know where you're at in the publishing process and what sort of promotion appeals to you? What are your strengths and weaknesses?
 

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<smack> I should be able to tell you that. It was recently, but I just can't remember. I'll have to research that. It was pre and post release, two months.

I just didn't know how an author chooses to promote himself the other days of the year that he still wants his book to sell well.
The most important publicity a publisher can give you is the pre-release. That involves sending the book to good reviewers, getting it into bookshops, etc. That's publicity and marketing that you'll almost never be able to get on your own.

To be fair, the effectiveness of authors self-marketing isn't proven one way or the other. Neither is the effect of book signings for average Joe Author. Or book trailers, or television advertisements (though i think TV advertising is fairly well known to not be particularly effective, but i have no statistical evidence on hand to back that up).

Personally (and this is only my opinion; people with more experience and knowledge may tell you otherwise, and if they do, then listen to them :tongue), i don't think there's all that much an author--or a publisher, for that matter--can do once a book's been out for a little while. A lot of agents and publishers recommend an author has a blog they regularly update. You may be able to finagle local public speaking opportunities, but i'm not sure how effective they are at selling yourself either (apart from and on top of most people being highly afraid of public speaking). I'm sure you could set up book signings if you really wanted to, maybe get yourself on a local radio station plumping your book.

What sort of fiction do you write? If you write 'genre' (how i hate that term, but we won't go there :D) fiction, and even 'literary' (i hate that term too, btw :D) but to a far lesser extent, you can write and sell short stories as well as novels. A lot of SF/F and horror authors build up quite a following this way.
 
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It's a big topic. It might help to know where you're at in the publishing process and what sort of promotion appeals to you? What are your strengths and weaknesses?

I'm nowhere near publishing. I'm editing right now, but it's something that's been on my mind for a while that if there's anything the author can do ahead of time to get his name out there, perhaps that you'd want to have a web site or blog up before your book hits the shelves.

Obviously I'm being hopelessly optimistic that something I have would even sell, but I'm a glass half-full kind of gal.

So having some short stories sell could be a way to have your name out there before a novel hits the shelves, or a popular web site maybe.

Mostly how I've heard of books I want to read is by word of mouth. I've seen a few book trailers, never anything on TV since I don't watch it, and occasionally our library will have something advertising a new local writer.

Anybody had success with anything else? I suppose I could bribe nieces to tell all their friends? :tongue I'm working on YA.

As far as where I read the sixty days from, I am thinking it was Pen on Fire by Barbara DeMarco-Barrett.
 

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I've been organising my own book signing for a couple of years and the demand has grown so that now the book stores contact me to ask me back. I've contacted the local radio stations and given interviews. Everything that happens concerning my books (especially book signings) I give as a news item to the local papers in the area I'll be appearing.

I'm on our local council's website as a local author. I've got myself on the 'to-be-invited' list for the Queensland Department of Culture. I've submitted my books to various States' Premier's Reading Challenge for high schools. I've contacted every library in the country and most high schools.

So, yes. I've done a lot of my own marketing but I didn't wait until 60 days were over. Also, my publisher sends me information of any interesting publicity, if they can't handle it themselves - after three years.
 

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Some of the things my publisher is doing for me pre-release: sending ARC's to reviewers (including the majors, like Publisher's Weekly, Kirkus, RT, etc...), an ad in RT magazine, cover flats to libraries, inclusion in the Random House winter catalog that goes out to bookstores, making it available for pre-order in stores and dozens of online markets (some I've never even heard of).

Some of things I've done pre-release: requested ARC's sent to book bloggers and reviewers who've asked to review, keep an active blog, Twitter, Facebook, I participate in two genre-specific online blogging communities, get to know and support other authors in my genre, contact bloggers about doing guest posts, hosting giveaways and contests on my blog, organizing a big giveaway with another author, doing online/blog interviews.

There are a lot of ways to create pre-release buzz, but it takes time, research and effort.

Post-release, it will require just as much work to stay out there. It helps immensely that I have a second novel scheduled for release next June--as soon as 3D2D has been out for a while, I'll have to start promoting the sequel.
 

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There are lots of things you can do. But first you need to understand what publicity is. A publicist takes information (in this case, most likely, information about a book release), and targets the audience best fit to receive that information. Down to its basics, it's a simple concept.

So take a few minutes and think: Who is the audience for my book? Don't limit yourself to expansive groups. Be as specific as possible. If your book is YA, then teens are obviously a good choice. But maybe your book is a YA mystery. So what kind of teen likes mysteries? Research is your best friend.

Sometimes you can directly target your consumer (high schools, DARE groups, mock trial groups), or sometimes you need to go through someone else to get to them: journalists, the high school paper, radio interviews, book signings, even parents. Local journalists love a good human interest story. Don't forget to pitch them--but this kind of story is more about you and your success than the book.

On the Internet, you can blog, you can Twitter, you can Facebook, you can visit other forums (just don't be spammy).

When you pitch, make sure you understand what it means to be newsworthy. Google this term. You'll find several different categories of newsworthiness--timeliness, human interest, proximity, etc.--and make your pitch fit into those categories. Half the time the focus WILL NOT be your book. In New York City, two romance authors set up a book signing on Valentine's Day. They turned the signing into a party, an alternate event for single women on Valentine's Day. The press they got mentioned the books, of course, but they got press because the event was timely with the holiday. Not timely because of the book.

There's a reason Harry Potter sold millions of books in its first hour of release--the marketers gave people incentive to go out and buy it at a certain time. They gave people a party. (And they gave bookstores incentive to host the parties.)

You have to give the journalist a story, don't expect them to come up with one. So first you have to understand what kind of story the journalist is looking for. Again, research research and research.

Best thing to do is think outside the box. Be creative. Take time with your book and really think about all the different angles you have in your story and who might be interested in them. Think about the timing of your release--any holidays or other interesting tie-ins? When it comes to the Internet, stay constant with your blog or Twitter updates and give people reasons to return--interesting content, contests, etc.
 
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Thanks for your responses, everyone. These were the thoughts that I was looking for when I didn't know what I was looking for. It spurs me on even more to finish what I've begun
 

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Publishers publicity efforts vary a great deal, depending on lots of factors, and they’re often more keen to promote a new face rather than the worn-out fifth-timer.

Initially, they arrange everything, book signings, radio, press, television, and all the author needs to do is turn up and turn it on. If he’s lucky, they’ll even pay his expenses.

I don’t know about the sixty days, but it sounds about right. By that time they, the accountants, will know whether it’s worth spending more money on their product. They keep sales graphs and have other magical instruments in place, usually supplied by Microsoft.

On a very basic, robot-level, it all makes sense. The human factor, if it ever even exists at this level, is lost among the television make-up and the local reporter with BO who doesn’t read books. And after a short while, no amount of make-up can hide the author’s cynicism when smiling in public.

It’s hard.

(Typical question – who’s your favourite author? It takes an enormous amount of courage and self- confidence to hold up your book and say Me). Meh, more like.
 

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I'm nowhere near publishing. I'm editing right now, but it's something that's been on my mind for a while that if there's anything the author can do ahead of time to get his name out there, perhaps that you'd want to have a web site or blog up before your book hits the shelves.

You definitely want your website and blog going before the book hits the shelves. Those things take time to set up and a following doesn't appear overnight. You'll get little out of them if you launch them on book release day.

How much before is down to preference. Some people wait till they have a book deal, because they're worried it'll take away from writing time. Others start blogging when they start writing (which is what I did... I find it helps motivate me to write, rather than taking away writing time). Others never blog, because they hate blogging. Go with whatever works for you.
 

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Initially, they arrange everything, book signings, radio, press, television, and all the author needs to do is turn up and turn it on. If he’s lucky, they’ll even pay his expenses.

Emphasis mine.

And no, not necessarily. Sure, for some authors (debut or otherwise), publicists will arrange all of that stuff. But there are dozens, if not hundreds of debut authors every year who get little more than cursory attention.

Big bucks are generally spent on known quantities (ie, best-selling, popular authors) or big investments (that debut with a million dollar advance). Not on your average paperback newbie.
 
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