Motivating your characters/personalized rejection

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So about a month ago I submitted a short story to a local magazine which is just starting up (my submission was for the second issue, and it comes out twice yearly). The editor of this issue is a professor at the local college. I have never met her, though I do attend the college.Yesterday I finally got my answer from her! Aaaand it was a no.

But that's fine, I was actually very happy with the response. My very first personalized rejection letter! It contained some nice compliments, like that "This story starts in a gripping way, and it develops its theme in suspenseful and compelling language" and "I think you're a genuinely talented writer, and I'd encourage you to try us again in the future". But of course the most useful part was in stating exactly why she didn't think my story was right for the issue! She mainly talked about the motivation (or lack thereof) of my characters, and she definitely made some good points.

In general, my writing tends to be rather dark, and my characters often go to extremes when they are in the height of their passion/misery/anger/whatever. However, I have always felt that I struggled with shaping realistic motivation for these extreme actions. I've often fretted over various stories thinking "nobody will believe a person would ever act like this or do that, the reasoning presented is too weak!" But, these struggles were always in my head, and none of my readers ever commented on them, so I tended to forget and just keep on writing as I write.

Now that this editor has pointed it out, it's like I can't ignore it any longer. The truth has reared its ugly head and is laughing in my face. I am realizing it's something I'm really going to have to grapple with if I want to get my writing to the strongest point it can be. So the question is, how do I learn to ensure my characters have believable motivations?

I suppose the answer is just to think it through more deeply, brainstorm more fully, put myself in the shoes of the character and think what it would really take. How about the rest of you? How do you make sure your characters are properly motivated and not just doing crazy things for the sake of it?
 

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I suppose the answer is just to think it through more deeply, brainstorm more fully, put myself in the shoes of the character and think what it would really take. How about the rest of you? How do you make sure your characters are properly motivated and not just doing crazy things for the sake of it?

That's how I do it. I just spend a lot of time "being" the character. I write a lot of scenes I'll never use to help me figure out how they usually react to various situations, and then extrapolate from there how they'll react to other situations. And I always ask myself, "what would it take to change this character?"

The book I have on sub was an interesting experiment, because rather than trying to goad a character into doing something crazy, I had a character on a revenge killing spree, and I had to figure out what it would take to make him stop. Getting a character to forgiveness is a lot harder than getting him to revenge.
 

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Sometimes I have to figure out what my character wants before I start the book. But I often discover character as I write, which can make the process difficult. I usually try to put myself in the position of this character, think like the character, and try and figure out what they would want, and what would motivate them. Sometimes as I write out the character and they change, their motivation changes too. Which is where my handy siscors come into play.
 

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First, I am way impressed that you took the useful critique to heart with such enthusiasm. A lot of newer writers (newer to submitting, anyway -- not necessarily new to writing) only see the "insult" in a rejection, especially one that comes with a criticism. You are correct that she presented you with a really great opportunity to grow your craft by pointing out what didn't work for her.

Second, it may be that your style just wasn't right for her. Maybe there is nothing all that wrong with dark stories in which the characters have Gothic rages and flip out. It just might not have appealed to this particular editor.

But it sounds like you've always been secretly bugged by what she pointed out, so I suppose it's a good idea to work on it. :)

As for me, I absolutely do get into my characters' heads when I write them. Or rather, I let them inside my head, completely and totally. I'm one of those who very much believes that every character I write is a part of my personality -- even the ones who are abhorrent, even the ones who want things I really don't want (children, for example, or religion). Even if I can't sympathize with a character's specific motivation, I can sympathize with the feeling of desire, unfulfillment, insecurity, etc. that makes them reach for their goal.

All of my characters are made up of the things that are inside my own head. When I write them, I let all the parts of me that need to be in them out, absolutely and without restriction. It took a few years of practice to get comfortable with doing it this way. It's a scary thing, to bare one's inmost feelings for the whole world to (hopefully) read. Especially when writing characters who are meant to be contrary, aggressive, or otherwise unlikeable. But when you do let go of your inhibitions and take a risk or two -- fully explore what YOUR brain is like in all its dark corners as well as its sunny patios -- your characters become much more real in all areas, including motivation.
 
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As for me, I absolutely do get into my characters' heads when I write them. Or rather, I let them inside my head, completely and totally. I'm one of those who very much believes that every character I write is a part of my personality -- even the ones who are abhorrent, even the ones who want things I really don't want (children, for example, or religion). Even if I can't sympathize with a character's specific motivation, I can sympathize with the feeling of desire, unfulfillment, insecurity, etc. that makes them reach for their goal.

All of my characters are made up of the things that are inside my own head. When I write them, I let all the parts of me that need to be in them out, absolutely and without restriction. It took a few years of practice to get comfortable with doing it this way. It's a scary thing, to bare one's inmost feelings for the whole world to (hopefully) read. Especially when writing characters who are meant to be contrary, aggressive, or otherwise unlikeable. But when you do let go of your inhibitions and take a risk or two -- fully explore what YOUR brain is like in all its dark corners as well as its sunny patios -- your characters become much more real in all areas, including motivation.

I read this part of your comment, thinking it sounds exactly like me. I feel like I do absolutely get into my character's head, and I do feel like their "spirits" are deeply imbedded in my own. My first reaction was a despairing "So what's my problem!", and then it sort of clicked in my head.

At least for the story in question, it wasn't the motivations of my MC that seemed off, but the motivations of the other major supporting character. I feel like one of my novels has the same problem. I write with a pretty strong focus on the emotions of the viewpoint character, and I'm thinking it's difficult to understand or accept the actions of a character you *don't* see the full extent of emotions and thought processes in. Or, I should say, I definitely have trouble expressing the motivations for them.

Hmm...
 

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Why aren't you making ALL of your characters as much a part of you (or vice-versa) as your main character?
 

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I try to settle the majority of the "why would she do that?" questions before I fit the plot together. If I have nifty happenings I want to occur, I make sure that the character I choose for them fits all of them, is that sort of person.

OTOH, if I'm thinking of what happens next while writing, I try to think of what the character would do. A lot of times the nifty idea won't work that far into the story because the character is fully formed by that point.
 

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So the question is, how do I learn to ensure my characters have believable motivations?

I suppose the answer is just to think it through more deeply, brainstorm more fully, put myself in the shoes of the character and think what it would really take. How about the rest of you? How do you make sure your characters are properly motivated and not just doing crazy things for the sake of it?
If their behaviour is really bizarre why not check out a book on basic human psychology. Most libraries have a pretty good selection so the research is free. Extreme behaviour is a product of a person's past. Find something that clicks with your character and use it, tailoring their background to fit. I'm doing that right now for a difficult character in my current WIP and it's working out perfectly.
 

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Another thing to consider is that perhaps the character's actions are reasonable, but the chain of reasoning the character went through to decide upon those actions didn't show up on the page. If the author skips relating the character's thought processes or withholds information, the character's actions might appear to come from out of the blue.
 

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Not so long ago I began a difficult dialog with a character that ended in my scrapping a partially written novel. I still haven't completely figured this gal out but we have a better relationship and will work it all out in future chapters. Godnose what would have happened if I had gone on using her as I was, secondary character or no.

What I did was ask her to tell me some of her life story before she met my main characters. Our biggest problem is that her cultural background is so different from theirs--or mine. I wrote it all down in her words, and we all felt better :)
 

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Why aren't you making ALL of your characters as much a part of you (or vice-versa) as your main character?

Whole-heartedly agree. You need to understand the motivations (or the possible motivations) of ALL your characters. Being in the mindset that there is some sort of hierachy of affection means that too much of the emotional and suspense is piled onto your main character, the favourite- therefore their reactions are blown out of proportion.

Sometimes writers (mainly myself) are guilty of falling in love with an idea. Evaluate whether it is really necessary for character A to cut the crotch out of all character B's trousers. It might be funny but is it believable? If it isn't, people might just roll their eyes.
 

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Sometimes writers (mainly myself) are guilty of falling in love with an idea. Evaluate whether it is really necessary for character A to cut the crotch out of all character B's trousers. It might be funny but is it believable? If it isn't, people might just roll their eyes.

And if you ARE so in love with the idea that you can't bring yourself to cut it, then ask yourself: What would it take to get ME to the point where I'd do this? Ask all parts of your personality this question, not just the part you show to society. ;)
 

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You make excellent points, although in general I don't think I play favourites with my characters. They are all very real/close to me, but when a story is told all from one characters POV, all events are filtered through his or her perspective. So how does one get the same level of understanding with the other characters?

I think the problem with this particular short story was a matter of writing it too quickly and too focusedly on the MC. Especially where it was such a short short story, there wasn't alot of room for anything but the story, and I didn't even think about how the motivations of the supporting character were coming across. A mistake to learn from, for sure.
 

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The things your POV character knows about the other characters will say a lot about those characters' personalities. Your POV character can reveal things about those other characters to the reader. And, of course, actions, facial expressions, gestures will all say a lot about your other characters' minds.
 
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