How to scare an audience

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Okay, so this evening I went to see a horror film with my sister in law. This was the second time seeing it so I had a better chance to pay attention to the audience for the bulk of the film and I got to noticing.

I know I have mentioned on here before about people's defense mechanisms and they will have a tendency to react certain was, but it got me wondering. The audience, although they would scream and jump when something freaky happened; afterwards, it would turn to hysterical laughter.

I understand that is part of the fun of seeing scary movies in theaters but it ultimately came across to me as saying the audience wasn't truly scared. They were startled and then that gave way and they were fine.

My question is this: How do you scare an audience that seems to be fearless?

Based on the reaction of the audience, Once the film was over only a small number were actually scared and bolted out of the theater but the over-whelming mass wasn't.

Any thoughts?
 

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A couple of ideas to start . . .

Anticipation. Hitchcock was a master of this. Let the audience know something is going to happen, but not the characters on the screen.

Don't make it obvious. A shadow or figure seen momentarily can be scarier than a walking zombie.
 

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By showing the audience some one's reaction to an event but not letting the audience see the event. I saw a stage production of King Lear and the bit where Gloucester has his eyes removed was not shown, as it usually is, on stage. The audience saw a character 'watch' what was happening and his reaction to it was far more horrifying than seeing the eyes removed. It left a lot to the audiences imagination. I hope that makes sense.

I think you would also have to explore why people want to be scared when they go out for an evenings entertainment.

Another thought is that although people leave a cinema/theatre laughing and joking it may be that the horror catches up with them later via nightmares or sudden flashes of memory.
 

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Suggestion is the key. 'Rebecca' is such a creepy film because we never actually see Rebecca, yet her presence is everywhere.
 

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Think of the shows that scared you, that actually haunted you and then figure out how and why.
 

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How do you scare an audience that seems to be fearless?
If you want to scare them with an event or a character, make these things to non-cliché and completely unpredictable. Everything, even zombies or a simple doll can be very fearful on the screen to everyone. Everything is depending on the execution. Also try to ask in yourself, what from they would fear. One of the best examples for this: X-Files Season 5 Episode 10. Chinga (Written by Stephen King). People whose hate dolls (There are plenty), those ones were terrified from this episode so much. It had a good execution.
 

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I agree with Alleycat. I cannot bear waiting for something terrible that I know is going to happen, but the MC doesn't. Once my friends got mad at me during a film, because I offered them M&Ms in a really suspenseful part - I just could not look at it any more. I knew what was coming. I think real evil, rather than horror, is scary. Heath Ledger's Joker was scary to me because he was truly evil. Seemingly ordinary people can be much scarier than monsters like Freddy Kreuger, because the idea suggests to us that the world is not what we think it is.
 

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I'm a less is more person, too. The Sixth Sense was one of the few movies that ever actually scared me, and the main reason was because you spend the first half hour knowing that this kid sees ghosts, but not actually seeing one. By the time you do, the anticipation is built up so strong it's just terrifying. This sort of thing will scare me every time.

Pretty much the only other sure fire way to get me is to throw something really random in I don't expect--but I expect almost everything. I'm the person who would go watch horror movies with my friends, and the door starts to open and they're going "omg it's a ghost!" and I'm sitting back saying, "It's the DOG." And of course I was usually right. If they ever managed something that truly surprised me that was pretty impressive.

I think Japanese ghost stories are the scariest movies I've ever seen. They manage to do a great deal with atmosphere and anticipation. I think having a top-notch soundtrack works wonders as well.
 

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Movies that were pretty scary.

Splinter - the thing just moved wrong.

Ring - I really want to see the Japanese versions. Though the video itself was stupidly weird, having her come out of it was pretty scary.

A few movies have scared me that wouldn't otherwise because the version was a bit scratched and so the thing would be coming, then it would move too quickly, then it would stop, then it would jump like three feet closer.

I really think irregular/unnatural (and no I'm not talking about the zombie shuffle) can really get me. The whole walking behind the person, like someone or something crosses the hall behind the person going to check out whatever noise they heard.

Fear of the Dark was really good at this. It's there, it's not there, it's there again.

Darkness Falls. Excellent scary movie.
 

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Okay, so this evening I went to see a horror film with my sister in law. This was the second time seeing it so I had a better chance to pay attention to the audience for the bulk of the film and I got to noticing.

I know I have mentioned on here before about people's defense mechanisms and they will have a tendency to react certain was, but it got me wondering. The audience, although they would scream and jump when something freaky happened; afterwards, it would turn to hysterical laughter.

I understand that is part of the fun of seeing scary movies in theaters but it ultimately came across to me as saying the audience wasn't truly scared. They were startled and then that gave way and they were fine.

My question is this: How do you scare an audience that seems to be fearless?

Based on the reaction of the audience, Once the film was over only a small number were actually scared and bolted out of the theater but the over-whelming mass wasn't.

Any thoughts?

Well, the first thing that you have to understand is that people use the word itself in different ways and that people who are going to see "scary" movies are often going for very different experiences and have very different expectations of what "scares" in movies are -- of what a "horror" movie is -- of what they expect those kinds of movies to deliver to them -- and so what might satisfy one viewer's expectation might very well fail to deliver to another.

I found myself in just such a situation with a development exec on a project I was working on, which was much more of a science fiction thriller and she kept saying, we're looking to make this more of a horror movie. We want more horror in it -- so I'd be writing it more in the direction of what *I* considered to be horror -- more sort of creepy stalking suspenseful stuff -- and I'd keeping the note -- "No, we want more *horror.*" -- Until I finally realized that what she meant by horror was -- more shocking bloody gratuitous gory violence. That, to her, was what a horror movie was. A "Saw" movie, or Hostel, or one of those things.

And the fact is, for a lot of people, that's what a horror movie -- that's what a scary movie is. The goal is to experience something like what people want when they go on ever higher and more extreme roller coasters -- can I take every more gruesome and grotesque visual shocks.

And just as with riding a roller coaster -- there is this tension/shock/fright/release response. You're taken to the top -- hit with a big drop that shocks the hell out of you -- and then you react with laughter as a release.

And people who go to that kind of movie, expecting that kind of experience respond in exactly the same way. That's why they're there, that's what they've paid for, and that's how they respond.

So, for that audience, the idea of suspense or a shocking image, as part of a serious story in which they are expected to become involved is simple alien to their experience -- you might as well ask them to become emotionally committed to a scare ride at an amusement park.

That's why (and you'll see this sometime) -- you'll get people watching a movie like Private Ryan and when those shocking bloody images appear in the opening Normandy Beach sequence -- those people respond in exactly the same way -- it's like, "Hooolly shee-it! Ya see that guy holding his armm!" Bursts of hysterical laughter. They don't get that every movie isn't "Saw Part 12" and that the image isn't there simply to give that a creepy "are you tough enough to take it" thrill.

And the fact is those audience members, even though in some weird way, they are among the most committed fans of these kinds of movies, are never going to be really scared -- because they measure "scares" the same way that roller coaster fans measure rides -- simply by the height of the coaster -- how big a shock can you hit me with?

But the fact is, for a viewer to be really scared, you have to become involved, you have to be drawn into the world of the story. You have to care about the characters and the situations. The "real scares" that they want, they can't get, simply ticking off how shocking a particular image is, or how bloody a particular effect is, of how loud a particular unexpected surprise "bang" on the sound track is.

So if the experience of watching a movie is simply waiting for the "boring stuff" to get over so that you can get to the scary stuff -- you're never going to really experience the full force of the scary stuff.

That's because that "boring" stuff is there for a reason and once a viewer closes himself off to it, he closes himself off to what makes the scary stuff really effective.

Now, if you're asking what the basis of fear is on screen, or just generally, it's what is known as a sense of dread.

It's not just the kind of fear that you might feel when confronted by a mugger on the street or if you're in the jungle and a tiger suddenly appears. Those things are definitely scary and you can't make very scary scenes in movies based on things like that. But those would be "thrill" scenes -- not something in a horror movie.

A tiger produces fear. Not dread. Finding a parasite moving under your skin -- that produced dread, even though it's probably much less of an immediate threat to your life than an approaching tiger.

So what is dread?

We are surrounded by all sorts of barriers that, in the normal course of our lives, we consider to be impenetrable -- realms within which we think of ourselves as safe. We are safe within our houses, within our families, within our communities, within our physical bodies, within our minds.

When those realms where we feel safe -- where we feel most safe, are suddenly penetrated, when the places and people and things that we consider to be normal and under our control (or at least under some kind of control) suddenly go out of control -- that produces a feeling of dread.

There shouldn't be a stranger in our house, or in our bedroom at night, or things visiting our children, or living inside our bodies, or occupying our minds and making us do things we don't want to do.

Toys should just be toys. Inanimate objects should stay that way. The dead should stay in their coffins and living people should stay out of them.

So many of these movies, in one way or another, involve "average people" who enter forbidden realms which, thematically, mean that they open themselves up, allowing those forbidden realms to enter them.

It is that "interpenetration" of the realms of the normal and the realms of forbidden that you find explored over and over in the genre.

NMS
 

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icerose said:
Ring - I really want to see the Japanese versions. Though the video itself was stupidly weird, having her come out of it was pretty scary.

I don't know how it'll play for you since you've seen the remake but I saw the Japanese version in 98, the year it came out, and although I found the film creepy and engaging, nothing--absolutely nothing--could have prepared me for the shock of the scene where... you know, at the end. It's about as low-tech as it could possibly be but for a split second, I felt like those poor Parisians who saw L'arrivée d'un train à La Ciotat in 1896 and freaked out at the sight of a train pulling into a station.

It was a classic example of technique over flash that was truly affecting. The remade sequence did absolutely nothing for me, sadly, though I did enjoy the film.
 

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If I had to define it, I feel that what I'm trying to figure out is how to make something that has staying power in the way of being truly horrifying.

Staying power in the way that "Silence of the Lambs", "The Exorcist", or the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" had. To this day, I know people who are mortally terrified of these films.

How can a new film be made that has staying power like these classics?

I guess that would make it a new classic?

The film I saw that inspired this thread by the way was "Paranormal Activity".
 

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The smaller things can scare me if I don't expect them. For example, things like "was that doll already in the table when the lights went off?", or "I think I saw something in the window". In the exorcist, I laugh with the on-screen scares, but the Captain Howdy apparitions made me scream.

The mexican movie "El Libro de Piedra" is one of the scariest films I've ever seen, because of this technique. Here's in YouTube if you understand spanish, it's a great movie.
 

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If I had to define it, I feel that what I'm trying to figure out is how to make something that has staying power in the way of being truly horrifying.

Staying power in the way that "Silence of the Lambs", "The Exorcist", or the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" had. To this day, I know people who are mortally terrified of these films.

How can a new film be made that has staying power like these classics?

I guess that would make it a new classic?

The film I saw that inspired this thread by the way was "Paranormal Activity".

One way is to include a terrifying antagonist who lurks throughout the story.

The question is what makes a character terrifying? Perhaps evil and seemingly unstoppable or other such attributes.
 

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Manipulate people by using things they find comforting as a way of scaring them (i.e. pet going mad, etc.). That'll scare people.
 

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Anticipation and the unknown.

The best movies that scare are the ones that don't rely on those "jump out of your seats" surprises. Those usually frighten people in the moment but usually devolve into laughter shortly thereafter. It comes across as the same reaction a person gets at a surprise party but add in a scary face or two.
Also, the "buckets 'o blood" avenue (AKA "let's seem how many gross things we can put on the screen") rarely works to scare. It's cringe worthy but not scary.

The scariest movie is one that allows your mind to play tricks on you because you don't know what's going to happen...you think you do...you expect something's going to happen...you think there's something hidden behind that dark doorway...you can just make it out...but...it backs away...you know it's still there...but it backs away...you don't know if it's plotting to come back again...or leave you alone forever...but you think it's still around...and then it has you where it wants you...in your head.

There's nothing scarier than what you can get the audience to imagine in their heads.

Some movies/tv shows do it well: "Blair Witch Project", "Paranormal Activity", early "Nightmare on Elm Street", some X-Files episodes.

The down side to movies like these is that they lose their power shortly after they "big reveal" is made at the end.