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Rhys Cordelle

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How do you handle this? Every critic seems to groan when they see a fantasy novel where the MC's parents died while they were young, or if the MC finds out their mother/father is someone important in the plot etc. etc (you all know the cliches).

So how do you explain the absence of the parents of your MC? Or if they are present, how big a role do you give them?
 

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I just try and make sure they're all different tbh, cos someone's going to shout 'cliche!' at some point

1 - Mother died giving birth, no one knew who her dad was, but assume it was a noble getting his bastid on her. Not quite true...when she finds out who / what her dad was, he's dead too. And not very important except for a couple of things she inherited.

2 - Mother dead ( hardly surprising as he's not a young MC), father still alive but in a different city. Mentioned only in passing. Father dies between book 1 and 2, but again, that's not uber important

3 - Mother dead, father ( alive in book 1, but we don't see her, dead in book 2 when we meet her) used her to gain political advantage. Only mentioned in how his treatment affected her / the political climate

In my current WIP, one MC's parents are still alive, and interfering in her life all too much. They get a fair bit of time on stage. The other MC - his dad murdered his mum when he was young and spent the intervening years being an abusive bastard. MC is quite glad when he pops his clogs in chapter four :D.

As long as they are varied, and you handle the relationships ( or lack thereof) in sufficient depth, you should be okay

Unless they turn out to be the son of a king. Or the villain. :D
 

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My MC is an adult, so it's not really an issue. Though the father does have one scene.
 

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I've always tried to stay away from the orphan MC because of what you say above. If I have a young MC and the parents are around AND they are important I've focused on the relationship of just one parent. Or in my latest whip I condensed their interactions down to 2 short scenes so the MC could get their view point, argue against them, then set about going his own way.
 

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It's more a matter of whether it's pertinent to the story.

Ditto.

The majority of the human characters in my series are orphans, because that's who's trained to be Hunters. The individuality comes in how they were orphaned, who had what sort of relationship with their parents before they died, etc...

I went the opposite in another direction and had the heroine's parents alive, well, divorced, in her life, and fighting in each others' presence.

No parents are a cliche. Divorced parents are a cliche. But its how you use it that, like any cliche, makes your story unique.
 

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In the MS I'm currently editing, my adult MC's father, former Poet Laureate and literary (if not paternal) genius, lives across the country and calls her once a week, if his muse doesn't attack him. Her mother died four years ago--after allegedly murdering 30,000 people on a lunar base. The former assists the plot and that latter provides the plot.

One of my side projects is a Changeling story, and each of the four main college-age POV characters has biological parents, and\or foster parents, and\or guardians who may or may not have realized that they have the "wrong" daughter. The switches were made by one person to protect one of the young women, and if she doesn't show up on time to renew some hereditary spellwork, the weaponry that has kept the Firbolgs in check for time out of mind will have to be sealed away forever so that it can't be corrupted. The parents are as devastated about the switch as the MCs--especially since some of the human parents don't have a clue that Midsummer Night's Dream was creative non-fiction. So the parents are a big part of the story.

My other WIP has an adult MC who was raised by his grandmother. I didn't know this until one of the other characters reminded him of the poor rabbi in charge of his bar mitzvah, as overseen by his determined grandmother. He hasn't mentioned any male relatives, yet . . .
 

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My protagonist, and his sister, are unfortunately subject to the orphan trope. The father died in a battle. Their mother ran off with another man, but at the man's insistence, abandoned them.

Several of the other characters, main or otherwise, have family and parents. I have a feeling that family is an important theme in the story.
 

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I suppose I shouldn't worry myself so much about what my come across and cliche and just run with what feels natural to the characters. Just last night after posting this I realised that one of my MCs needs their father in the picture to progress the story, where previously she was orphaned and raised by a distant aunt.

It's fun when your characters tell you how the story is gonna go :)
 

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MY MC is a youngster, a slave who is sold into the army at the beginning of the story. Part of her quest is to be reunited with her mother and siblings. She doesn't know who her dad was, what with being a slave and all.

ETA: For the record I don't have a problem with the orphan "cliche". It's a handy plot device and when well written works just fine. If you think about it, it's pretty unrealistic to expect that both of someone's parents will still be living if they live in a war torn world and their parents are military aged, or if the available medicine is only medieval in quality. Orphans were much more common in the past, and are still very common in third world countries that don't have access to medical care and have civil wars going on.
 
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My MC is an adult, so it's not really an issue. Though the father does have one scene.

Even as adults we have relationships with our parents ( even if they're dead, the relationships or lack of them we did have, may have an impact on who we are now)

It's more a matter of whether it's pertinent to the story.

If you're disagreeing with me, or contradicting what I said, could you please clarify? I've been mulling over it, trying to see a connection, maybe give a reply to further explain myself or see if there's something to learn that I'm missing, but the connection just isn't processing in my brain. Without a quote, maybe it was unrelated to what I said? If so, please ignore this, and I'll try to stop being dumb :)

The OP was :
So how do you explain the absence of the parents of your MC? Or if they are present, how big a role do you give them?
And I responded that my MC is an adult, so his parents' absence isn't an issue. You're saying it's a matter of whether it's pertinent to the story, that we all have a relationship with our parents. Is the place I'm losing the connection that I'm thinking of the physical presence of the parents, and you're speaking of the emotional presence? Or am I missing something? Maybe I'm just tired. I got a lot of work done on my second draft today, but my brain's a bit beat.

Wait, the brain's slowly turning. Are you saying that, regardless of age, it's important to know where the character comes from, that their family life as a child will always affect how they turn out? If so, I don't disagree. I'm just saying that as an adult, I don't need to explain why my MC is out on his own, having an adventure away from his parents, like the characters the OP was talking about, i.e. orphans or parents with an important, secret past that drives the MC's actions. OK, I'm gonna go space out a bit and try to stop over-analyzing everything.
 

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Interesting question.. let's see, the family my MCs have are..

Vynen: He was raised by his grandfather, who received him as a baby from his mother. His father is still alive, and is despised by Vynen. The mother escaped with Vynen when she knew the father's intentions.

Anara: Both parents still alive, but in a stranded relationship since the girl left the monastery they are devoted to. Her sister has a good relationship with her and plays a secondary role.

Rophen: Has a terrible relationship with his manipulative mother. His father watches him closely, but is forbidden to reveal his identity to him.

Galrail is an artificial being created by the antagonist, but there's no father-son relationship between them.
 

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If you're disagreeing with me, or contradicting what I said, could you please clarify? I've been mulling over it, trying to see a connection, maybe give a reply to further explain myself or see if there's something to learn that I'm missing, but the connection just isn't processing in my brain. Without a quote, maybe it was unrelated to what I said? If so, please ignore this, and I'll try to stop being dumb :)

Apologies - I am Mrs Tangent Woman. :D


If so, I don't disagree. I'm just saying that as an adult, I don't need to explain why my MC is out on his own, having an adventure away from his parents, like the characters the OP was talking about, i.e. orphans or parents with an important, secret past that drives the MC's actions. .

Aha now I see what you mean - and I don't disagree. All I was saying was just because they are an adult doesn't mean parents won't be an issue - not that they needed permission to go out lol. All my guys are adults, ( even if some only barely) but their parents do have a lesser or greater impact on them. It's not an automatic 'I'm an adult and now they are outta my life!' lol, though it could be.

For instance my older MC, while we never meet his dad, he impacts my guy when he's accused of murder. Because my guy's mortified at the shame he'll bring on his family. As you said - the emotional presence.

Like I said, though - only goes in if it's pertinent to the story. If not I leave it out.

I've just realised I have no idea about one character's parents - but then they've been dead for a few thousand years so....
 

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Gotcha, Mrs Tangent Woman :) I think we're on the same page. And I think physical presence is what the OP was talking about, i.e. avoiding cliches involving orphans, young people with a destiny, etc.

I guess along the same subject, I think the young person with a destiny looks back at (at least in western Europe) our old idea of nobility. I remember reading some Shakespeare with my youngest about a year ago. I've not read a lot of his work on my own, and these stories were adapted for children. Mr. and Mrs. Lamb I think were the authors of the adaptations, if memory serves me.

Anyway, I remember being surprised at how relevant bloodlines were to the stories. A girl born of noble blood, could spend her life living in a cave surrounded by hermits, and still end up with a certain beauty, a certain intelligence that always showed through. Whereas a girl of low birth could grow up in the palace of the current ruler, and yet always seem homely in some way, dimwitted, just lacking in some fundamental quality that eventually revealed her low birth. (I guess along the same lines, it used to surprise me when, in old stories, a woman's beauty was so often defined by the amount of jewelry she wore.)

At least in America, though, being a product of it myself, I would hope around the world, with our ideals of meritocracy, I think our romantic ideas of nobility have evolved beyond the realm of the bloodline and toward the realm of the individual. We're growing out of the romance with the young boy with a destiny, and toward a romantic ideal of the anybody's man who makes his own destiny.

Of course, there are plenty of people who still cling to the old ideas of nobility, which I think is indicated by electing people to office who are related to people who served well enough in the past. But to avoid cliches of the past involving the parents of our MCs, I think it's important to look to the individual, the influences on his life beyond his bloodline. The orphan is reminiscent of Arthur, the boy who would be king, but who knew nothing of it.

The heroes of the present and future, I think, can be anybody. In fact, in a way, the new cliche could be to introduce the MC who is the opposite of the old, e.g. female, black, handicapped, past his prime, too young to be respected, etc. I think to truly avoid the cliche, the hero has to be whoever fits the part, ignoring cliches of the past and our newer cliches. His parents can be anybody, from farmers to stockbrokers, divorced and emotionally broken to married for thirty years and dedicated members of some well-respected group (church, business group, team, whatever), old and decrepit to young and pregnant too early.

Avoiding the cliches is just building characters that fit the story, or building a story that fits the characters may be a better way to say it. The only way to do it is to ignore the things that are out there and your natural drive to imitate what you adore, i.e. make them real according to their circumstances or make the circumstances real according to them. If your MC is exactly like King Arthur that's fine, as long as he's exactly what the story needed, and you're not just trying to squeeze King Arthur into your story because he's succeeded in the past.
 

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I've personally handled this in a variety of ways. I'll use just a few of my characters to show how.

But the important thing when adding in parent characters is to make sure that you build them up more than will be seen. This is because past decisions/successes/mistakes will greatly change how the parent parents.

MC one's mother was a very small lady. She was known in the town for about a year before dying. The father stayed in the town and raised the boy. I made him a bit cold and controlling due to the screw ups in his life, that he doesn't want his son to repeat. However, they are still pretty close. He gets killed in a battle.

MC's 2+3 are brother and sister, many years apart. They mention their parents at one point, since the brother has been out as a mercenary for the better part of 15 years. (He's higher on my POV hiarchy than she is) she explains that they passed away a few years before. I don't mention them afterwards.

MC 4 is a parent himself. He is the rich inheritor of a large fortune. But he's had a lot of troubles with the folks, so he never went home after the war. He lives happily in a little town with a wife and 2 kids.

MC's 5+6 are twins (neither is evil) Each lives with a seperate parent. Both sets assume that the other is dead for the better part of the story. The mother is murdered before the reunion.

Thats just a few, low detail ways that I handled the lack of the parents, or their presence. But it really, really depends more on the characters of the MC's and the parents than anything else how you would work it.

My first character would have come out wildly different had his dad been less controlling. 5+6 would have never been involved in any of it if their parents (dad is number 4, they are from differnt parts of the story) not lost eachother.

Number 2 would have been off visiting his parents who had lived a long ways away and never been involved either.

So it really really depends on everything how its going to work. Look at your characters, get to know who they are. Get to know what their relationships are with their parents if it concerns you. You might as well get to know them. The lot of you are going to be working together for a while.
 

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I don't think I've ever written an orphan, come to think about it. Whether or not the parents have a role in the story is a different matter. Parents are like any other character--they're in if they have a place and they're not if they don't.

In my present MIP, my leads all have parents who are alive. The hero's parents are both gods, so there are times he's got to ask for their help or make sure they're not going mess with his plans. The secondary hero and the heroine are brother & sister, sharing the same mother but having different fathers. As the heroine has just taken the throne from her mother, Queen Mom is having a bit of an influence on what's going on, but she's not calling as many shots as she hopes to.

All depends on what the story needs.
 

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There are so many parents in the world that work two jobs, especially if they are divorced. There are just plain bad parents who are alcholics or druggies and just don't meddle in their kid's life. What if the single mom's dad lives in the hospital, and she is always there? Dead parents are overused, and zomg-my-father-is-darthvader is too. There are plenty of other directions, it just depends on what kind of parents your character should have.
 

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If a character is old enough, there's a chance his parents won't be alive. No one lives forever, and everyone's parents die eventually. Having that every main character has dead parents is stretching it, but so is having that everyone is at an age when their parents are around or even still breathing.

As for having characters interact with their parents in the story, I think that depends on the type of character. If a character lives on the other side of whatever world the story takes place in, they might not talk to their parents during the course of the story. They may not even mention their parents. There's plenty of people who go through their daily lives without mentioning their family, except in passing references, unless some sort of drama happens. Most people are going to assume someone has a family, even they never show up in the story. Of course everyone is influenced by their parents and family, but that's backstory. It might not be important to actually include in the story, just like it's not always important to include other types of backstory influence that aren't needed in the story.
 
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