Opening with Dialogue?

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Regan Leigh

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Is it risky to open with dialogue? My WIP starts with a heated conversation and I'm not sure if this poses any problems. (Besides the usual concern of not catching the readers attention fast enough.)

Sorry if there is already a thread like this, but I couldn't find one!
 

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Lots of novels open with dialogue. It's not inherently wrong or risky. Just make sure you provide context along the way so you don't fall into "talking head syndrome." You also might have to rely more on voice to introduce us to your main character since you will not be using straightforward description.
 

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It's a fairly common term. I don't take credit it for it. Use it as you will! :)
 

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I had heard it before, but wasn't exactly sure what it meant. Then in another thread, people mentioned the phrases navel gazing and Mary Sue. I was confused. :) I've had quite the vocab lesson today. ;)
 

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Risky, yes because dialogue doesn't address the reader but another character. It's harder to shade or focus -- the character must speak in its own voice, about its own topic. If the dialogue is good the utterance will contain conflict, but you need to give the reader time to understand what the conflict is. Lastly, dialogue must hook faster than narrative: with narrative you have two or three paragraphs to sink the barb; with dialogue it's two or three sentences. It's risky but it can be interesting.

Example: Emma has decided to ask her husband Johnny for a divorce. The triggering event is when she broke his golf trophy and realised that she was glad. She's decided that she doesn't want to live in a relationship like that.

Here's a narrative version:
Feather duster in hand, I stared at the ruins of Johnny's broken golf-trophy on the hearth and realised with a growing sense of wonder that I wanted a divorce.
Here's a rough-cut at a dialogue version:
'Em, have you seen my bowling-cap?'

Johnny's voice came from the bedroom. With legs curled up on the TV-lounge, I watched a skinny, suited man easing himself into a bathtub of baked beans and didn't reply. My toes were clenched.

'Em?'

Johnny came out in his Wednesday-night attire: a short-sleeved shirt and matching trousers in powder-blue. The colour reminded me of public lavatories. His hair was still slicked back from his shower. His body still steamed and he smelled of cinnamon.

'My bowling-cap, love. Have you seen it?'

'On the mantle' I said to the baked-beans man.

He blinked at me, looked at the mantle and did a double-take.

'Where's my bloody golf trophy!'

'Stay in tonight.'

'My bloody golf trophy -- where is it?'

'Just once, Johnny.'
I like the dialogue version better because it starts in medias res, but you can see how indirect it has to be to hook. A line like 'Johnny, I broke your golf trophy' just wouldn't have worked as an opener.
 
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Thanks for the help and the examples! I think I need to flip through some of my books and really study the first pages.
 

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Is it risky to open with dialogue? My WIP starts with a heated conversation and I'm not sure if this poses any problems. (Besides the usual concern of not catching the readers attention fast enough.)

If you open with dialogue, you give the reader the chance to ask himself, "Who the hell are these characters, and why should I give a damn about their conversation?" But if you're good enough with dialogue and you know it, then go ahead and open with dialogue. As long as you avoid the "as you know, Bob" approach, you can weave in a lot of exposition.
 

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Well, I don't know if I'm good enough. (cringe.) And that is the second time I've heard the phrase "as you know, Bob" on this site. Man, you guys are giving me all sorts of new terms today. I'm assuming that means contrived or formal?
 

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And that is the second time I've heard the phrase "as you know, Bob" on this site. Man, you guys are giving me all sorts of new terms today. I'm assuming that means contrived or formal?

It means dialogue where characters discuss matters they already know because the reader doesn't know. it's blatant use of dialogue as exposition.
 

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It means dialogue where characters discuss matters they already know because the reader doesn't know. it's blatant use of dialogue as exposition.

Ah! Okay, I think I may have some of that based on my last crit. Please, feel free to drop by Literary SYW and rip my first couple of pages apart! (It's the Mallory link that's in my signature.)

Example: "As you know Bob, Stromboli can't live in a heavily nitrogenous atmosphere; therefore, they always wear space suits when visiting Earth."

By the way, I don't think my instances of "as you know Bob" are quite this bad. (crosses fingers)
 

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There's a very funny parody of exposition (a bit like an info dump) in a play but I can't remember which one. It starts with a phone call.
 

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Oh, I should search for that! :) thanks for the crit. I'm having Internet issues, but will be able to respond to them soon. I'm so torn on that being the first impression of my book, you know?
 

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I'm with katiemac on this. Each type of writing has its pitfalls when you use it (including at the start of a novel). In case of dialogue, you want the reader to figure out who is speaking to who and who the main character is (assuming you're not doing a scene of a mysterious villain whose identity will be revealed at the very end). The conflict of the novel should be clear relatively quickly (I usually have it out by the end of chapter one), but it doesn't need to be on the first page. It should be properly built up.
 

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I'm with katiemac on this. Each type of writing has its pitfalls when you use it (including at the start of a novel). In case of dialogue, you want the reader to figure out who is speaking to who and who the main character is (assuming you're not doing a scene of a mysterious villain whose identity will be revealed at the very end). The conflict of the novel should be clear relatively quickly (I usually have it out by the end of chapter one), but it doesn't need to be on the first page. It should be properly built up.


Thanks! I'm actually working on that right now. After evaluating my other possibilities for opening the book, I realized that this scene in particular really needs to be it. I just have to make it work right. :D
 

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I have read so many books that start with dialogue but the hour is late so, I can't name them off the top of my head. I happen to think it's just fine and actually enjoy jumping into the middle of a scene with dialogue. But then I'm one of those pesky readers if I find the story overly laden with heavy description I can get bored, especially if it's not moving the forward story.

So again, I think this is a case of doing what works for the story. I think a lot of information can be dripped through to the reader via dialogue and bits of description mixed in. But I may be biased. I've been known to start a short story with dialogue. :)
 

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I just need to know who is talking so I can imagine the correct voice and attitude for each character.
 

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I just need to know who is talking so I can imagine the correct voice and attitude for each character.
You know, Exir, I was just thinking about this.

I used to only write in third person omniscient. But KTC got me hooked into a rewrite of an old novel with first person. I finally get the difference between them. When I write in first person it's like I put a sort of mental blinder on. I only know what's going on in my character's view.

When I want the others character's perspective, my readers get that through dialogue and action. OR, I switch to the other character POV at a chapter break. When I climb into the head of each character like that, the voice just comes with their personality.

I think of third person as a wider lens. Again, I do see into the head of each person so I know how to write their character but it seems to be more of a narrative voice than an up-close and personal one.

I have an interesting project in the mix. I write in first person for two of the MC's in my mystery novel BUT the killer, is in third person. He just feels creepier that way.

I don't know if I'm making any sense.
 

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I just need to know who is talking so I can imagine the correct voice and attitude for each character.

I like this answer. ;)

You know, Exir, I was just thinking about this.

I used to only write in third person omniscient. But KTC got me hooked into a rewrite of an old novel with first person. I finally get the difference between them. When I write in first person it's like I put a sort of mental blinder on. I only know what's going on in my character's view.

When I want the others character's perspective, my readers get that through dialogue and action. OR, I switch to the other character POV at a chapter break. When I climb into the head of each character like that, the voice just comes with their personality.

I think of third person as a wider lens. Again, I do see into the head of each person so I know how to write their character but it seems to be more of a narrative voice than an up-close and personal one.

I have an interesting project in the mix. I write in first person for two of the MC's in my mystery novel BUT the killer, is in third person. He just feels creepier that way.

I don't know if I'm making any sense.

I'm sort of stuck in first person. I can't seem to make myself do anything bigger than a short story in third person. I like being in the characters head too much. I tend to love first person books, too. I probably need to force myself to try other things, but until this WIP progress is finished... :) I have a hell of a time floating between one WIP that is 1st present and the other that is 1st past tense. Even that kills me sometimes. :)
 
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