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Exir
09-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Okay, so I've started a new WIP, and the story is taking a life of its own. It's demanding to be darker and more mature than any story I've written before. So, I'd like to push some lines to the stretching point but still keep it appropriate for Upper-MG. You know, Coraline style. (Just FYI: my characters are 12 years old)

1. Bullying

Almost no physical bullying (only implied that the bullies used to do that, but have since moved on, when at the start of the story the first thing the MC does when hearing footsteps is to grab a rock and get in a defensive posture)

However, definitely lots of psychological manipulation, creepy in its own way. One time Piggy and his gang surround the MC while he's visiting his grandpa's grave, and instead of doing anything they just sit there and let the time run -- until it's night and pitch-dark. Then they leave, laughing, and tell the MC "you know, all we're doing is to teach you to be less of a loner and have more friends. You know, like us, so you don't have to walk home through the graveyard alone." Piggy also makes a quip about Pavlov's dog -- justified by the fact that he's very intelligent unlike stereotypical bullies -- and to mature readers who knows what's Pavlov's dog, it's creepy. I try to underplay in terms of description though -- I make what's happening clear but don't try to add too many details.

Once the MC tries to fight back and land a punch. He doesn't even gets to land a glancing blow before being subdued by Piggy's gang.

2. Dysfunctional family

MC's mother is perpetually drunk. Never violent, and truly caring during the rare moments of soberness, but when she's drunk she cares about nothing. MC's dad is a mostly responsible person but often too weighted by his own responsibilities and by his past that sometimes he disappears too and neglects the MC. Only in a scene near the end do they talk to each other. And only a few lines.

MC is born with mild fetal alcohol syndrome.

3. Horror and some non-graphic, non-gratuitous violence that the perpetrator feels very awfully sorry for.

MC meets a new friend early in the story. She seems nice at first. Then she starts acting strange and often pushes the MC to do things he doesn't want to. Then she tries to stab the MC with a pencil. Nothing graphic happens and no blood is spilled and the MC isn't hurt much, because the pencil lead had been deliberately broken off earlier and the point blunted by the very same girl. It turns out that the girl is influenced by a ghost that she doesn't have control over, and she is trying her hardest not to harm the MC (hence the precaution of blunting her pencils) but can't stop herself.

The MC is also torn between taking her word and still being her friend, or deciding that she is a manipulative bully just like Piggy.

The girl during the final part of the story also hurts MC's mom badly enough (off-screen) to make her hospitalized. This actually becomes a rare bonding moment between the MC's mother and father. The MC finally realizes that the ghost that was influencing the girl was just trying to help him using her own way. The dead girl, being brought up in an abusive household (again this is downplayed -- only phrase used was "her parents weren't nice to her", but kids definitely will get it) doesn't know any way to help other than through violent means, but she has good intentions still. (This is, in fact, the one part that concerns me beyond all the other examples I gave. A ghost who tries to help things by being abusive and violent to people -- how well will that sit?)

Ironically, despite the maturity of content and the age of MC and his friend (both 12), neither one ever really has a crush on the other. They just are very good friends throughout. I don't know why -- just felt like that part should be left out. Closest I get is the customary taunt by Piggy the bully: "so you've found a new friend -- and count yourself lucky that I didn't prefix that."

Exir
09-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Oh, and I have to add, that's only one section of the intended story. There's also a lot of the more normal MG stuff. Loads of it in fact -- something like 60 percent non-disturbing moments or even 70/30 or 75/25, so perhaps some of the risky parts will be slightly "diluted" so it doesn't stand out so glaringly.

Like, for example:

1) MC idolizes his grandfather and doesn't think his parents (and later on an assortment of other mentor figures like his teacher or therapist) will ever compare.

2) Relationship between MC and his best female friend's 5-year-old sister (his own sister died stillborn because his mother couldn't stop drinking.) Actually a lot more weight is put on this than you'd assume. Quite a few scenes.

3) Assortment of other daily stuff faced by any kid, even those who aren't messed up.

Exir
09-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Oh, BTW, the story NEVER condones violence, or advocates just standing by and letting it happen at ANY POINT. The main character learns to accept that violence will always exist all around him, and to even accept those who have learned to perpetuate violence (both physical and non-physical) without condoning the acts of violence themselves.

He doesn't phrase it that eloquently, of course ;)

Toothpaste
09-19-2009, 10:41 PM
I have torture, almost torture, several deaths, and mild horror in my books. I have vast quantities of alcohol consumed. In my second book the mother is neglectful, and downright mean to her son, his father weak and insecure. As I always say, you can get away with a heck of a lot in MG. Except sex.

Everything you've written here seems perfectly acceptable to me. As ever, finish the book first, then you can go back and see if you want to change anything.

Good luck!

Exir
09-20-2009, 02:32 AM
I have torture, almost torture, several deaths, and mild horror in my books. I have vast quantities of alcohol consumed. In my second book the mother is neglectful, and downright mean to her son, his father weak and insecure. As I always say, you can get away with a heck of a lot in MG. Except sex.

Everything you've written here seems perfectly acceptable to me. As ever, finish the book first, then you can go back and see if you want to change anything.

Good luck!

LOL. Now I'm really gonna buy your book for sure (wanted to in a long time but this tipped the scales)

MsJudy
09-20-2009, 06:18 AM
One thing I'm noticing is that my public library is a bit more conservative than the local bookstores. Your book sounds like one that my library would shelve as YA, but the bookstore would include with the "literary" MG authors like Spinelli and Sachar.

There are plenty of MG books out there with themes of abuse, alcoholism and violence. I don't think any of what you've described crosses the line.

timp67
09-20-2009, 09:18 AM
I think, also, that it depends on how the MC deals with the harsh subject matter ... if he can somehow rise above it, and not let it crush his spirit.

Exir
09-20-2009, 03:24 PM
I think, also, that it depends on how the MC deals with the harsh subject matter ... if he can somehow rise above it, and not let it crush his spirit.

That's the idea. I'm glad to hear that ;)

C.J. Rockwell
09-22-2009, 03:29 AM
I have torture, almost torture, several deaths, and mild horror in my books. I have vast quantities of alcohol consumed. In my second book the mother is neglectful, and downright mean to her son, his father weak and insecure. As I always say, you can get away with a heck of a lot in MG. Except sex.

Everything you've written here seems perfectly acceptable to me. As ever, finish the book first, then you can go back and see if you want to change anything.

Good luck!

Toothpaste is right, as usual. Even though I'm not as daring a writer as you or most of the members here on AW, I understand your concerns and frustrations.

In my case I worry about what I love won't connect with the readers I'm trying to reach. You know what a talking animal nut I am.;)

That said, as you've told me in our correspondence, write what you have to. Write what you love. As long as you put your heart into it, that will show in the story and the overall writing. Any agent or editor who can't feel the heart and love in the author's words either is blind or is never given a proper vacation to recharge, as everyone here knows who time-starved they are.

I hope to hear from you soon,

C.J.



PS, Getting slightly off-topic: I do wonder though, in my earlier drafts of Gabriel, I mentioned how my antagonist Rum got his name.

Because it involved his late father (Who was a wine and liquer taster) getting slightly drunk, pretty much everyone in SYW kept saying it had to go. Remember Toothpaste?:) Even you had issues with it.

In my defense, I felt I did it with taste, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't anywhere near as edgy or drastic as what's in your novels, for around the same age group, yet I kept getting challenged by it. Almost to the point where I felt like I was being chased by an angry mob for corrupting their children.

Maybe that was just me...:Shrug: But that's just how I felt.

I eventually worked around it for Gabriel. But I'm outlining Rum's story, and there's going to come a point where I have to explain this, and this is just how it happened. Changing it to hiccuping from milkshakes just will not do.

If anyone can impart some insight on what I can do, please let me know.

Angela_785
09-22-2009, 04:10 AM
I don't know what you can do, but I say good on your for sticking to your guns. You know how the story is supposed to be, and you know your characters best. If you feel strongly enough to fight for the name, don't give up on it! :)

Exir
09-22-2009, 07:36 AM
CJ, I don't see anything wrong with that as long as it isn't RUM who's drunk. ;)

C.J. Rockwell
09-22-2009, 11:33 AM
CJ, I don't see anything wrong with that as long as it isn't RUM who's drunk. ;)

Exactly!

No, Rum doesn't drink, but I knew his father did, and that's how he got his name.

Getting back on topic: I hope my advice helped in some way.

Stijn Hommes
09-22-2009, 03:04 PM
Your book certainly wouldn't be light reading, at least not for me. You're putting that MC through an awful lot. Make sure you give him enough time with his grandfather and something that makes him happy so it's not all doom and gloom.

Case in point: Nicky Singer's "Featherboy". The MC is bullied, has to get through the divorce of his parents, and he has to deal with the illness of an elderly woman and the fact she thinks of him as her own dead son.

At least through all this he has a happy returning dream, a loving mother and a girl who isn't afraid to go against the grain and ignore the class bully to help him.

zeppelin123
10-11-2009, 11:07 PM
I am working on a project about a 13-year-old who finds out her learning difficulties are due to her birth mother drinking during pregnancy. (no ghosts or violence, but reference to drunk driving and dead birth parents). I think it depends on how you tell the story whether it's appropriate for MG.

A lot of MG kids read Harry Potter and Orson Scott Card's Ender series (even though it is an adult SF series, it is loved by young boys) and these books have a lot of dark things in them.

I agree with Stijn Hommes that you should add some element of optimism to the story in light of the darkness. Even if the ending is not completely happy, the character should have come to terms with the issues he faces.

BTW I love what I've seen of your writing when we exchanged work and I admire your skill. I'm sure you'll do a great job of this.

Amarie
10-12-2009, 05:13 AM
Closest I get is the customary taunt by Piggy the bully: "so you've found a new friend -- and count yourself lucky that I didn't prefix that."


Just make sure you are keeping the voice MG. How old is this Piggy the bully? This bit of dialogue seems as if it is from a much older person, and voice is a huge issue in MG.