Multiple narration, too much?

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I am working on a story in multiple narration, involving a young girl taken hostage. I am writing it from multiple points of view, but i want to know how many points of view gets to be too much. I need at least four people to narrate (Girl, Girl's mother/father, A police officer in charge of the situation, and the man taking the girl hostage.)
How many narrations do you think becomes too much? The police team has seven officers, so i was trying to give a little bit of a range, to let you know what everyone is feeling, but will that get too confusing? What do you think? (I also have a thread that is would you read this, let me know what you think.)
 

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I am working on a story in multiple narration, involving a young girl taken hostage. I am writing it from multiple points of view, but i want to know how many points of view gets to be too much. I need at least four people to narrate (Girl, Girl's mother/father, A police officer in charge of the situation, and the man taking the girl hostage.)
How many narrations do you think becomes too much? The police team has seven officers, so i was trying to give a little bit of a range, to let you know what everyone is feeling, but will that get too confusing? What do you think? (I also have a thread that is would you read this, let me know what you think.)

Hi love2write. I think this story idea does sound interesting. I saw your other thread earlier and thought "I would read this if it was told from a POV besides that of a thirteen-year-old girl".
Here's my reasoning: I don't know how old you are, but for many adults it can be difficult to read a story told from a 13-year-old POV: either the POV is true to a 13-year-old, in which case there's a risk of alienating an adult reader; or the POV is too adult, in which case your character will seem false.
So, I'm not saying don't use the hostage's POV, just mix it up a little to get around this issue.

Of course you should not have too may POVs, but how many is too many? One way of considering the problem is this: If you can remove a POV from your novel, without losing the sense/urgency/poignancy of the story - then that POV is redundant. Only include POVs which will actually contribute to the book.

I would recommend looking at Barbara Kingsolver's The Poisonwood Bible. It's a different genre, but Kingsolver uses four different POVs to great end. The different voices expose hypocrisy and self-deception of other charcters, and give different thoughts on the same situation. If Kingsolver had removed any of these POVs, her novel would have suffered.

Hope this helps :)
 

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ok, well, let me first say WE SHARE NAMES!!!!! YAY!!!!! :)

ok, now, I wrote a 50k novel with three POV's, and I think it is kind of over the top. Then again, I think I handled it terribly. I think that if you can handle it and keep everything real and give every character different personalities, (harder than you think) then you can have as many POV's as you want
 

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Thanks. I wanted to be able to give multiple POV's of the officers, so you know what each Officer is going to do, but I will probably reduce the number a little, because I think used way to many POV's. But I am pretty young, so I think I can write pretty clearly about what a 13 year old would think and act. And Luvs2write44, You made a good point, I have to make sure they each have a unique personality. Thanks.
 

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I'm sorry, luvstowrite44, but I've been told there are no 13 year old girls on the internet. They're all the same detective in Keene, NH. So unless you're a boy, I don't believe you. ;) Sorry to make a joke at your expense, I couldn't resist. And it's crime related, on topic, even! :tongue

OP - too many narrators can be confusing. Are you writing in third person? Mixing third and first? (Done well in No Country For Old Men.) You will need to be vigilant about your POV in each scene. We should not be in more than one person's head in each scene. Don't switch back and forth within the scene. It's better if you don't switch back and forth within a chapter.
 

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A word of caution seems in order: While seasoned authors (read as 'those whose names sell books') can and do use multiple POV in mystery and thriller, it's pretty rare for an unknown author to sell a multiple-POV novel in those genres. It's got to be extremely well done, the POVs purposeful rather than for the author's convenience in showing what's going on when the main character isn't there.

I'm not saying yours isn't both well-done and purposeful, but that agents and publishers see a great many novels with this technique used to no advantage by authors who could not contrive another way to present information.

Maryn, who's seen it done quite well, of course
 

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While seasoned authors (read as 'those whose names sell books') can and do use multiple POV in mystery and thriller,

Often not just in the same scene, but in the same sentence no less! (Annoying!!!) But if a first time author tries that, he or she will be tossed out on his or her ear.

The rules apply only to those of us who have not yet made the "big time." In other words, some animals are more equal than others.
 

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So would you recommend, being a newbie at writing, keeping it down to the minimum number of narrators, or just having it from one point of view, becuase the thing about that is that the girl taken hostage doesnt know what the police are doing, the police dont know what is going on at the hospital all the time when she is there, and so keeping just one point of view will completely change the story and the tone.
 

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Multiple points of view are fine. Just don't have multiple points of view in the same scene. We are not gods, we can't hear everyone's thoughts at the same time. It's been a long time since I studied this, but there are different kinds of narration - first person, -

I turned around and there was somebody in the shadows. I thought, Lisa? I didn't know if I should say it out loud, but before I knew it, I was saying it. "Lisa?"
"No, not Lisa."
That was not Lisa's voice. I was wishing I'd thought to put fresh batteries in my mag light.



third person -

Sarah turned around and thought she could see somebody in the shadows. She considered asking if it was Lisa, but she worried that it might not be her. Still, she heard herself saying it without meaning to. "Lisa?"
"No, not Lisa."
Sarah knew Lisa's voice, and that was not it. She wished she had thought to put fresh batteries in her mag light.


third person done badly -

Sarah turned around and thought she could see somebody in the shadows. She considered asking if it was Lisa, but she worried it might not be her. Still, she heard herself saying it without meaning to. "Lisa?"
Rick almost laughed. Sarah was such an idiot. He was betting she didn't even have a flashlight. "No, not Lisa."
Sarah knew Lisa's voice, and that was not it. She wished she had thought to put fresh batteries in her mag light.




There's more too, like second person, but that's really hard to pull off and I can't do it. I write stories to be enjoyed, not to strain the limits of literary credibility.

What you want is third person limited, unless you really want to switch back and forth in first person.

See this for more info -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_omniscient_narrative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_limited_narrative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_narrative

This is probably way more than you wanted to know. It is okay to use more than one point of view, just not at the same time. And yes, it's probably better to limit it to two or three main characters.

Hope this helps.
 

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Thanks, I will keep that in mind.
 

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Hi love2write.

Spookily I'm attempting to do the same thing. I'm writing in multiple first person (3 narrators). Now, I'm writing psychological suspense and not a police procedural and my povs are: kidnap victim; victim's father (taking the 'detective' role); and kidnapper.

I'm writing the book this way for a precise purpose and want to keep it feeling claustrophobic.
 

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I am working on a story in multiple narration, involving a young girl taken hostage. I am writing it from multiple points of view, but i want to know how many points of view gets to be too much. I need at least four people to narrate (Girl, Girl's mother/father, A police officer in charge of the situation, and the man taking the girl hostage.)
How many narrations do you think becomes too much? The police team has seven officers, so i was trying to give a little bit of a range, to let you know what everyone is feeling, but will that get too confusing? What do you think? (I also have a thread that is would you read this, let me know what you think.)

I think multiple narrators can really work well, so long as they're carefully and purposefully chosen. More than one police officer seems overkill, unless their roles in the story and their opinions and knowledge bases are very, very different. The four you mention seem just right.
 

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Hi L2W.

Literature is funny -- it's not like film where the director can switch viewpoint whenever she likes (one minute you'll be in a helicopter looking down at a house; the next minute you're in a stalker's eyes; then you're in the eyes of the girl inside who doesn't know the stalker is there). Literature could do the same, but it usually doesn't. Film chases the best picture, but literature chases thoughts and ideas -- and those are usually close to the major characters. Whatever story's going on in literature, the real story is about how the major characters struggle and change.

But that means that our 'camera' can't just follow the action around. It has to follow the important struggles. That means we don't get much choice in viewpoint at all.

Let's do an example.

Annie is a schoolgirl who was captured by a man in an ice-cream van. He's a mad film-maker who's trying to get her to act out the part of Sleeping Beauty on video -- and then he means to kill her. Every time she does a scene, he feeds her. If she refuses, he doesn't. She's scared and she wants to go home.

Bree is a detective who's just come back to work after twelve months being sick. Before she was on leave, she tried to save a mother who was going to jump off a building with her baby. She spent an hour with the woman trying to stop her, but the woman jumped -- and took Bree too. Bree fell but caught a ledge, and hurt her back. Now she's working again, hiding her back-pains and trying to forget the terrible experience she had.

Charlie is the mad film-maker. He was a talented film-student who got thrown out of film school because of his macabre films about animals dying. He thinks he's a genius (and he is talented), but now he works as an ice-cream vendor. He kidnap children and makes them act in his movies. He just wants to create (for him) the perfect Sleeping Beauty.
So, which are the characters who'll face change in this story? Annie's not going to change much -- she's scared, she wants to go home. She'll try and escape, she'll fail and hopefully she'll eventually be rescued. Bree however, suffers deep inner conflict. She wants to go back to policing, but she's afraid to. She's afraid that they'll find out about her back injury and send her home. She still has nightmares about the mother and her baby. We definitely want the viewpoint on her.

But what about Charlie now? On the surface he just wants his murderous film. But is he conflicted? Does he hate himself? Is he afraid of being caught? If the answer is yes then we have another possible viewpoint. We could jump between Bree and Charlie and create a lot of suspense. If the answer is no then our viewpoint is just on Bree. And that would mean that any scary action between Annie and Charlie, Bree would have to find out about so the reader could find out too... Is Charlie sending videos to the police-station? Can Bree interview a survivor of one of Charlie's horror movies? Can she guess what's going on? Does she have strange, prophetic dreams?

So in my example the viewpoint is either Bree-and-Charlie (my preferred way to do it) or just Bree aided by videotapes, magic dreams etc... (which could also work).

The next question is who narrates. Is it Bree? Is it Charlie? Is it a friend of Bree's? Is it a fly on the wall? This comes down to how you want the sympathy to work.

If we have a viewpoint on Charlie then it probably won't be Charlie narrating. He's a whack-job, an unreliable narrator and the reader will hate him. We'd probably have a fly on the wall telling us about what he's thinking and doing. And if we use that, we'll probably use the same narrator for Bree.

But if the viewpoint is just on Bree, then we could either narrate as the fly on the wall again, or let her tell her story. Which one would you choose?

It's up to you, but if the character is sympathetic with a lot of inner conflict and maybe prophetic dreams I'd let Bree tell the story in her own words. If she's tough, unsympathetic but nice underneath I'd narrate from outside her. Or if Bree were a brilliant but damaged detective -- perhaps destroying herself with pain-pills -- maybe I'd have her partner narrate it. It's all about getting the most sympathy for the character.


So, to make it simple:
  1. Focus on the interesting internal conflicts;
  2. Bring the action to the viewpoint -- don't swing the viewpoint to the action;
  3. Narrate to get audience sympathy
Hope that helps!
 
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Yes. It helps a lot. Thanks.
 

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Multiple narration too much

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