That fine line between romance and... something else? (ZOMBIES!!)

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So this book I'm writing for a very specific imprint (Amber Allure/Amber Quill Press) is supposed to be an m/m erotic romance, but the ending is giving me fits.

My understanding is that all it takes to make a book a romance (by genre definition and industry standards) is a story that focuses primarily on a romantic relationship and its inevitable/obligatory happy ending.

In this case, I'm writing a futuristic dark fantasy m/m romance with a healthy amount of BDSM. That's the book the publisher and I agreed I would write, and that's the book I intend to deliver.

I've got...

The principle players: An ancient Greek demigod called up from the Underworld (along with four of his fellow demigods) to champion what's left of humanity after war and pestilence have decimated the population, and the young soldier who has reluctantly volunteered to act as his squire/sexual thrall.

The internal conflict: Squire is appalled by Champion's mission, which is essentially wiping out entire communities of people who've become infected with a particular strand of plague (ZOMBIES!!). In addition, the BDSM aspects of their relationship come as a bit of a shock to Squire. And the Champion just wants to go home, which in this case is the Underworld, but now he's grown attached to Squire against his own better judgment...

The external conflict: Apocalypse Now-ish.

And therein lies the rub. My two principles survive the final fall of civilization and are joyously reunited, but all is not well (see above re: final fall of civilization).

Champion and Squire descend to the Underworld (which isn't such a great place from Squire's perspective because Hades is mad as any five hatters, but at least they're together). My principle couple has its HEA, but Earth is now a scorched rock populated by plague-infected zombies and their prey.

My question: Does this count as a "happy ending?" Or even a "satisfying" one?

I have no desire to "fix" Earth, btw. No deus ex machina waiting in the wings, no plans to build a haven for the few remaining humans. At the end of the book, this plane of existence is toast.

Would you (the collective you) call this a romance by the standards of the genre?
 

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At the least, it kind of begs for a sequel; maybe some sort of more benevolent demigod is called to earth to lead the rebuilding. Or maybe, all the remaining humans could get converted to demigods somehow - then humanity as-is could end but it wouldn't be a problem.

(If you didn't already have solid plans for it, I'd say with that set up what you really ought to do is have the squire guy get infected with the zombie virus, which forces the champion to rethink and find a different solution than just killing all the zombies.)
 

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It's not much of a happy ending. Maybe like you said; a 'satisfying' ending to a dark story.

Honestly, it looks more erotica than romance. With very interesting plot.

:)
 

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Actually, I have a sequel very vaguely in mind in which one of the Champion's colleagues, who's semi-villainous in the first book, finds himself trapped on Earth with a tiny band of human survivors. He's misanthropic in the extreme, and they don't trust him, but they join forces out of necessity. He falls for the son of the wise and aged leader and...hijinks ensue?

I dunno. I try to write one book at a time.

The infected-squire thing is an interesting angle, especially if it requires my Champ to give up his one chance at going home. I do enjoy a noble sacrifice made for luurrrrve.

Hmm...

So if they could save even a handful of humans -- say, retreat with them to that haven I swore I wouldn't build and set up housekeeping with an eye toward a not-entirely-bleak future, would that be enough to call it an HEA?

I see an epilogue in my near future. *sigh*

Thanks, sunandshadow!
 

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It's not much of a happy ending. Maybe like you said; a 'satisfying' ending to a dark story.

Honestly, it looks more erotica than romance. With very interesting plot.

:)

Thanks. :)

I'm really trying for that happier ending. It's going to be marketed as erotic romance, and there's a certain segment of the readership that will put up with twelve tons of angst and the most gruesome torture imaginable if you can deliver that HEA. If you let them down, they might never pick you up again.

On the other hand, I want to remain true to the story, and saving the world would be a cop-out.

Dilemma.
 

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Thanks. :)

I'm really trying for that happier ending. It's going to be marketed as erotic romance, and there's a certain segment of the readership that will put up with twelve tons of angst and the most gruesome torture imaginable if you can deliver that HEA. If you let them down, they might never pick you up again.

On the other hand, I want to remain true to the story, and saving the world would be a cop-out.

Dilemma.

You're welcome.

This is hard to say, but the truth is that without saving Earth, the happy ending would always taste bittersweet.

:)
 

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I hear you.

I'll ponder my options. But first, a big glass of cheap Chardonnay and an hour or two of bad TV, because seriously...everybody should have problems this trivial, yes? ;)
 

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I hear you.

I'll ponder my options. But first, a big glass of cheap Chardonnay and an hour or two of bad TV, because seriously...everybody should have problems this trivial, yes? ;)

Sure, that will help. Sleeping over it helps too. ;)
 

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Is it genre romance? I am not sure. But I do think there is a place for it in erotic/fantasy romance somewhere. I also think it is an interesting concept and you've sold me...I would definitely read it!
 

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Weeelll . . .
without splitting hairs on exact definitions of HEA and HFN,
I've always thought of genre Romance as, 'folks leave the theatre smiling and humming the theme song,' writing.

Genre Romance, after all the conflict, after the resolution of the love story, delivers upbeat and feelgood.

Earth is now a scorched rock populated by plague-infected zombies and their prey does not strike me as warm and fuzzy.

But there's a place for this in the market. There will be folks who love it.
They just won't necessarily be the same folks who come looking for genre Romance.
 
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Personally I think it sounds fantastic!!

But yeah, the ending might be a *tad* downer. I think if you can save even a tiny band of humans, or give some indication that there's a way to reverse the damage or rebuild...just inject some hope into it aside from the H/H's happiness, it could make a bit difference. Even if they don't know it's there; have the sun shine on the single plant still growing, or something, you know?
 

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You all make excellent points, and I appreciate the encouragement.

I will find a way to inject hope. I rather like that image of the sun shining on a single green shoot struggling up through the rubble, December. Thanks! :)
 

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You all make excellent points, and I appreciate the encouragement.

I will find a way to inject hope. I rather like that image of the sun shining on a single green shoot struggling up through the rubble, December. Thanks! :)

You're welcome! I kind of liked it myself, lol. So please feel free to use it if you so desire.


I had another thought about this. It's maybe kind of cheesy and you may decide it's awful, but you might consider putting in a small prologue/epilogue, maybe? Like how this story was passed down generations and gave everyone hope as they rebuilt the earth, or something? So your story ends exactly the same but the reader knows everything turned out okay and that the two lovers inspired a new world.

Like I said, I know some people hate prologue/epilogues (I actually like them), so don't worry if you hate it. But it occurred to me this morning and I thought I'd mention it anyway as another option in case you like it; just another way to play with things. ;)
 

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I don't hate it. Not at all.

In fact, I think I'm a little in love with it. If my editor agrees, you'll be seeing your name on the acknowledgments page. ;)
 

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Yes, your suggestion was just the spin the project was missing. I've had to re-jigger my original character arcs a bit, but I think it will be a much better, more "mythic" story for the new framing and slightly uplifting end.

New and improved "zombie apocalypse gay BDSM romance!" Now with more hope!! ;)
 
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