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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_do_you_capitalize_the_'p'_in_president
I googled, 'when do you capitalize president' and got the above link.
I googled, 'when do you capitalize president' and got the above link.
Or Capitalization
Example:
The president will address Congress.
Sorry, folks, President Obama is not coming.
Example:
The president will address Congress.
Sorry, folks, President Obama is not coming.
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Oooh, I have a pet peeve about this. Not specifically about the title "president," but about capitalizing titles in general.
Media style seems to be tending toward capitalization usages like the following: "United States President Barack Obama," but I really feel it should be "United States president Barack Obama," because as soon as you put "United States" in there, the word "president" stops being his title and becomes a descriptive. He is Barack Obama, the United States president. Or President Barack Obama of the United States. Or Barack Obama, president of the United States.
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Media style seems to be tending toward capitalization usages like the following: "United States President Barack Obama," but I really feel it should be "United States president Barack Obama," because as soon as you put "United States" in there, the word "president" stops being his title and becomes a descriptive. He is Barack Obama, the United States president. Or President Barack Obama of the United States. Or Barack Obama, president of the United States.
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Oooh, I have a pet peeve about this. Not specifically about the title "president," but about capitalizing titles in general.
Media style seems to be tending toward capitalization usages like the following: "United States President Barack Obama," but I really feel it should be "United States president Barack Obama," because as soon as you put "United States" in there, the word "president" stops being his title and becomes a descriptive. He is Barack Obama, the United States president. Or President Barack Obama of the United States. Or Barack Obama, president of the United States.
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Agree, and copying to notepad for later reference. Thanks for the input.
A capital letter doesn't bestow power or show deference. I noticed in another thread someone implying all deaf people preferred to be called Deaf, with a capital D.
I'm sure that's true of some, but they're probably the same people who become awed into capitalizing every use of doctor, king, queen, president, god, etc.
I'm deaf and so is my sister. We're very much part of the deaf culture, and most deaf men and women we know consider themselves deaf, lower case.
We write: The doctor saved the patient; the president is now aboard Air Force One; the pope left the Vatican at midnight; the queen received guests at Buckingham Palace; and the god of Abraham was a wrathful god.
I'm sure that's true of some, but they're probably the same people who become awed into capitalizing every use of doctor, king, queen, president, god, etc.
I'm deaf and so is my sister. We're very much part of the deaf culture, and most deaf men and women we know consider themselves deaf, lower case.
We write: The doctor saved the patient; the president is now aboard Air Force One; the pope left the Vatican at midnight; the queen received guests at Buckingham Palace; and the god of Abraham was a wrathful god.
Oooh, I have a pet peeve about this. Not specifically about the title "president," but about capitalizing titles in general.
Media style seems to be tending toward capitalization usages like the following: "United States President Barack Obama," but I really feel it should be "United States president Barack Obama," because as soon as you put "United States" in there, the word "president" stops being his title and becomes a descriptive. He is Barack Obama, the United States president. Or President Barack Obama of the United States. Or Barack Obama, president of the United States.
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All but the last, President of the United States is a title and should be capitalized.
Just a quibble: Air Force One is not italicized, as it's a call sign and not the name of a vessel. The minute the president boards an airplane, that airplane becomes Air Force One.
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Good quibble. I think saw that in the movie of the same name. Then a better example might be: The president and two senators watched Air Force One on the flight to Washington, D.C.
It would be no less a title than President of France, Chancellor of Germany, or Prime Minister of Great Britain.
I'm dealing with this right now. I thought when you say something like, "The President will speak in one hour", you capitalize president, because you are still referring to a specific president; you're just leaving off the last name.
This link claims "Certain very high ranking government officials' titles are capitalized even when not followed by a name or used in a direct address when a specific individual is being referred"
This link claims "Certain very high ranking government officials' titles are capitalized even when not followed by a name or used in a direct address when a specific individual is being referred"
Okay, so the rule is basically whenever these titles can directly relate to certain persons, they are capitalized.
My previous example would become:
CreativeNews.com reports that the President of France, Chancellor of Germany, and Prime Minister of Great Britain were at an orgy party last night.
Time travel has made it possible that the president of France, chancellor of Germany, and prime minister of Great Britain of different eras to meet.
My previous example would become:
CreativeNews.com reports that the President of France, Chancellor of Germany, and Prime Minister of Great Britain were at an orgy party last night.
Time travel has made it possible that the president of France, chancellor of Germany, and prime minister of Great Britain of different eras to meet.
In your second example you would still be referring to specific individuals, even if you didn't know which one would appear.
Although I'm sure that there is a preference among different people, in this particular case I would still choose my capitalization of deaf/Deaf carefully... although I'm NOT deaf, (nor Deaf
) I do know people who ARE and they do consider that a point of respect to capitalize it in certain usages. "It is a common misconception that the Deaf do not blah blah blah..." as opposed to "I didn't realize that our new neighbor is deaf..." I think that is why someone mentioned it in another post... I'm guessing the post where someone was asking for expert advice? I would say that, with writing, sometimes you have to err on the side of trying to be least offending to people. In such cases, it helps to know that some people might consider it important to capitalize a word like this. Ya know? Sorry - didn't mean to write so much about that... I tend to talk too much.
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Yes, and I wouldn't capitalize those in the same context either.
I only cap before the name. I don't care what any rules say.
I simply don't see why you would cap the title even if it refers to a specific person, if it's not in front of the person's name.
Oooh, I have a pet peeve about this. Not specifically about the title "president," but about capitalizing titles in general.
Media style seems to be tending toward capitalization usages like the following: "United States President Barack Obama," but I really feel it should be "United States president Barack Obama," because as soon as you put "United States" in there, the word "president" stops being his title and becomes a descriptive. He is Barack Obama, the United States president. Or President Barack Obama of the United States. Or Barack Obama, president of the United States.
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Disagree. It is long-standing simple and standard practice to capitalize titles when used with names of specific individuals. Not just "President Obama", but "Doctor Doolittle", "General Petraeus", "Senator McConnell", "Chairman Mao", "Professor Moriarty", "Marshal Dillon", etc. You are simply wrong about the title ceasing to be a title and becoming descriptive when the "United States" qualifier is placed before it.
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That's your prerogative, I suppose, but it doesn't change the rule, and in this case, it is a conventional rule. You can call the color of an emerald purple if you want, but that doesn't change the color, or the convention of what other people will call it. Or what an editor will do if you say such a thing in a submitted manuscript.
caw
Great Britain doesn't have a Prime Minister. The United Kingdom (or the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland if you want to be picky) does. Or might have, because Prime Minister isn't an official title and was not universally used until the first part of the last century. I was taught that First Lord of the Treasury (confusingly, the holder is almost never a lord) was the official title of the person in Downing Street, though apparently it doesn't have to be.
And that's what you get when you have an unwritten constitution, folks.
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