My PublishAmerica Experience

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I'm sure a lot of this won't be new to anyone who's read this thread, but I feel like I ought to share it because every person expresses their experience differently.

In the summer of 2007 I was writing a book called "The Dragon Kaseraak". It was a book I was writing for my kids, and a friend of mine created some illustrations for the book. It was a good little project. It kept me focused, and it gave me a hobby when I needed one. My kids loved the book.

Around September of that year I had finished the second draft of the book. I was searching around, and found services like Lulu.com or Cafepress that would take what I had written and put it into an actual physical book that my kids could hold and read. It was about that time that I ran into PublishAmerica.

I'm sure a lot of people were taken unaware by PublishAmerica's marketing techniques, but I don't think I was one of them. I knew that any book they printed wouldn't end up in bookstores. I knew that there wouldn't be any extensive editing of my book. I knew that they would try to sell me copies of my own book. I knew all of these things and signed with them anyway for a few reasons. One, I wanted to have an actual physical book in my hands. Two, they would print the book at no upfront cost to me. Three, the other options of publishing at the time seemed so impossible that I figured this was the only way I could get this into a book form.

So, off it went, until April of 2008 when the book was published. I was happy to see it on Amazon.com. The book itself looked good. In my exuberance about the book, I took advantage of their "introductory author" offer to order 50 copies of the book at 50% off. (I have since been e-mailed much better opportunities to purchase my own book. For instance, they've offered 3 for the price of 1.) I spent $80 printing up bookmarks to promote the book. I organized a talk at my kids school about the book. Enough kids and parents went to the local bookstore (which had agreed to sell the book on consignment) that they sold out of the four copies of mine that they would take. I was furiously writing the next book in the series, and the one after that.

That's when things started to go sour. PublishAmerica decided in its wisdom to increase the price of my book, from an already steep $19.95 to an exorbitant $24.95. Every bookstore other than the one a half mile away would not take copies of the book -- not even on consignment. I resigned myself to my lot, realizing that was the bargain I made. All I wanted was a book in print and PA was a means to get there. I couldn't sell the book at $24.95, so I just concentrated on my next one.

Time passed. My first royalty check was for around $45. My second one was for about $5. I gave up any hope I had that the book would catch on.

Then something funny happened. I was speaking online with a new friend. I showed her the website I had made for the book. What she said stunned me. "Oh yeah, I've seen that site. My kid has that book. Why are you showing this to me?" From my royalties statement, I knew that there were perhaps five people that had bought the book without being specifically solicited by me to buy the book. I had just met one of them.

The things she told me really warmed my heart. She told me of how her kids ran around "playing Kaseraak". She told me that her daughter made a boy her age play Tybilt, the antagonist of the story. She told me that they were running around pretending their fingers were on fire, and other play scenes from my book. She told me that her nine year-old daughter was writing a paper on the book for a statewide competition, a competition which she had won the year before. She offered to help me do some marketing of the book.

I really felt good about the book then. That was my very hope in getting it published at all. Someone I didn't know would buy the book, and it would spark her imagination.

Then I received my latest royalty statement. I had sold one book in the last six months.

Something about the meeting of those two events clicked for me. I realized that I had sold myself short. I thought to myself that there should be hundreds of kids out there "playing Kaseraak". That's when I realized I had sold myself short. My story was too good for PublishAmerica. I could have, and should have, done better. Except now the story, and my name, is in PublishAmerica's hands, with all the baggage that entails.

That, more than anything else, is what I hope people can take away from my experience. If you find yourself just wanting to have something in book form, rethink that. You may want more later. Your book probably deserves more.
 

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Thanks for sharing your story, jimbotomy. I believe most books deserve more than what PublishAmerica offers. I'm glad you're still writing and working on your next books.
 

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Thanks for that. I nearly fell into the trap but by a stroke of absolute coincidence found out about Preditors and Editors at the same time. I was lucky. I wish you well with all your subsequent books.
 

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I knew all of these things and signed with them anyway for a few reasons. One, I wanted to have an actual physical book in my hands. Two, they would print the book at no upfront cost to me. Three, the other options of publishing at the time seemed so impossible that I figured this was the only way I could get this into a book form.
Why the heck did you choose PA over Lulu? You'd still have a physical book and no upfront costs and avoid all the PA problems if you'd gone with Lulu.
 

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I'm sure a lot of this won't be new to anyone who's read this thread, but I feel like I ought to share it because every person expresses their experience differently.

In my experience, everyone's PA adventure has gone a little different anyway, but there are a lot of common issues, so it's definitely nice to have another perspective. I am sorry to hear that what sounds like a saleable book ended up at PA.

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Stijin, I can see your point but it doesn't help Jim at all right now. I bet he's asking himself the very same question.

Jim, if it's any consolation: if you can write one good book, you can write another. I hope you're working on your next book now and next time will find a much better publisher for it. Onward and upward, and all that.
 

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I am surprised that he got a 40.00 check!!!!!!!! but not surprised about the 5.00 or the 1.00 one. The same thing happened to me, and still learn from it every day. I wanted all the same things that he did. Now all I can do is watch Amazon sell my book and then not get paid for it in Mar and Sept. What did you do with the 50 books Jim? I didn't buy anything from them at all. At least he can go to book fairs or have sales on his book from his house, not that we will get 24.95 out of them because we will not.
 

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We all have saleable books with pa we just ran into them first. Sort of like a rat going straight to the cat saying ekkkkkkkkk eat me here I am. I know you are all laughing at that as bad as it is. PA is one big stinking Rat.
 

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We all have saleable books with pa we just ran into them first. Sort of like a rat going straight to the cat saying ekkkkkkkkk eat me here I am. I know you are all laughing at that as bad as it is. PA is one big stinking Rat.

Not true.

You don't know if you have a saleable book or not. PA takes slush as quickly as it takes a masterpiece. MOST of the books put out by PA are NOT commercially viable.
 

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Not true.

You don't know if you have a saleable book or not. PA takes slush as quickly as it takes a masterpiece. MOST of the books put out by PA are NOT commercially viable.

Very true! PubliSHAMerica prints anything; the good, the bad or the ugly!
 
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If you find yourself just wanting to have something in book form, rethink that. You may want more later. Your book probably deserves more.

Well said. This is one of the main reasons we continue to warn writers about PA.

Too many excellent books have fallen into PA's black hole and if we can just stop one more writer from throwing away their hard work, then the PA threads are well worth the effort and time AW members put into them.

Continued good luck with your writing.

~brian~
 

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Jimbotomy, this thread started out as your experience with PA.
Although it's been totally derailed, I hope you are able to glean some wisdom from it.

There are excellent resources throughout the AW forum; I hope you will find some of them helpful. :)
 

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Just a note that I've ported the 3-page derail to Overflow (starts at #9172).

Jim, you still out there? How's it going?
 

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I felt the same way! I had spent so much time just gearing up the nerve to submit since I had for years written things just for myself and squirreled them away. I have tablets,notebooks,folders, and boxes full of things I have written. I went through the whole writing query letters and sending my copy of my book, Renegade Night and found Publish America. I had even checked them out on the BBB and figured that they're record was pretty clean-again you have to submit a history inquery seeing as I only seen their recent scoring and didn't see their "past" scoring and reports. I still thought after I went over their site that they were a publisher for the average Joe! I bought it hook, line, and sinker and my book is one of the highest on the site. I can't get anyone to carry the book and when I got my author's copy I could have cried! People that read it will think I have the writing skills of a uneducated child. They too have sent me loads of offers for me to "buy" my own books but I can't afford to buy them even with the discounts. So I know of atleast 5 people that have bought the book and most of those have been my family and friends and I suddenly feel as if I should give them their money back. I entertained for about an hour, of just giving up-but that was my bottom hour and then I found this site and I am more than ever determined to not only get out of PA's hands but I'm going to one day have something that everyone can afford to buy that a real publisher felt proud enough to publish and I'll put this whole PA thing behind me.


I'm sure a lot of this won't be new to anyone who's read this thread, but I feel like I ought to share it because every person expresses their experience differently.

In the summer of 2007 I was writing a book called "The Dragon Kaseraak". It was a book I was writing for my kids, and a friend of mine created some illustrations for the book. It was a good little project. It kept me focused, and it gave me a hobby when I needed one. My kids loved the book.

Around September of that year I had finished the second draft of the book. I was searching around, and found services like Lulu.com or Cafepress that would take what I had written and put it into an actual physical book that my kids could hold and read. It was about that time that I ran into PublishAmerica.

I'm sure a lot of people were taken unaware by PublishAmerica's marketing techniques, but I don't think I was one of them. I knew that any book they printed wouldn't end up in bookstores. I knew that there wouldn't be any extensive editing of my book. I knew that they would try to sell me copies of my own book. I knew all of these things and signed with them anyway for a few reasons. One, I wanted to have an actual physical book in my hands. Two, they would print the book at no upfront cost to me. Three, the other options of publishing at the time seemed so impossible that I figured this was the only way I could get this into a book form.

So, off it went, until April of 2008 when the book was published. I was happy to see it on Amazon.com. The book itself looked good. In my exuberance about the book, I took advantage of their "introductory author" offer to order 50 copies of the book at 50% off. (I have since been e-mailed much better opportunities to purchase my own book. For instance, they've offered 3 for the price of 1.) I spent $80 printing up bookmarks to promote the book. I organized a talk at my kids school about the book. Enough kids and parents went to the local bookstore (which had agreed to sell the book on consignment) that they sold out of the four copies of mine that they would take. I was furiously writing the next book in the series, and the one after that.

That's when things started to go sour. PublishAmerica decided in its wisdom to increase the price of my book, from an already steep $19.95 to an exorbitant $24.95. Every bookstore other than the one a half mile away would not take copies of the book -- not even on consignment. I resigned myself to my lot, realizing that was the bargain I made. All I wanted was a book in print and PA was a means to get there. I couldn't sell the book at $24.95, so I just concentrated on my next one.

Time passed. My first royalty check was for around $45. My second one was for about $5. I gave up any hope I had that the book would catch on.

Then something funny happened. I was speaking online with a new friend. I showed her the website I had made for the book. What she said stunned me. "Oh yeah, I've seen that site. My kid has that book. Why are you showing this to me?" From my royalties statement, I knew that there were perhaps five people that had bought the book without being specifically solicited by me to buy the book. I had just met one of them.

The things she told me really warmed my heart. She told me of how her kids ran around "playing Kaseraak". She told me that her daughter made a boy her age play Tybilt, the antagonist of the story. She told me that they were running around pretending their fingers were on fire, and other play scenes from my book. She told me that her nine year-old daughter was writing a paper on the book for a statewide competition, a competition which she had won the year before. She offered to help me do some marketing of the book.

I really felt good about the book then. That was my very hope in getting it published at all. Someone I didn't know would buy the book, and it would spark her imagination.

Then I received my latest royalty statement. I had sold one book in the last six months.

Something about the meeting of those two events clicked for me. I realized that I had sold myself short. I thought to myself that there should be hundreds of kids out there "playing Kaseraak". That's when I realized I had sold myself short. My story was too good for PublishAmerica. I could have, and should have, done better. Except now the story, and my name, is in PublishAmerica's hands, with all the baggage that entails.

That, more than anything else, is what I hope people can take away from my experience. If you find yourself just wanting to have something in book form, rethink that. You may want more later. Your book probably deserves more.
 

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That's when things started to go sour. PublishAmerica decided in its wisdom to increase the price of my book, from an already steep $19.95 to an exorbitant $24.95. Every bookstore other than the one a half mile away would not take copies of the book -- not even on consignment. I resigned myself to my lot, realizing that was the bargain I made. All I wanted was a book in print and PA was a means to get there. I couldn't sell the book at $24.95, so I just concentrated on my next.

Just got back from the PA bookstore. They've dropped the cost of your book to $4.99. That's competitive with Walmart prices.
 
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>but I'm going to one day have something that everyone can afford to buy that a real publisher felt proud enough to publish and I'll put this whole PA thing behind me.<

YES, I am sure you will.... you have seen through PA's crap and you are already well ahead of the game they play with the other authors. Best of luck to you!
 

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publish america

I was stupid, gullible and guilty of not researching before I acted. Now I have a book from Publish America and am ashamed of it.

I should have known better :} Guess I'll live, learn, keep writing and think first next book.
 

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I was stupid, gullible and guilty of not researching before I acted. Now I have a book from Publish America and am ashamed of it.

I should have known better :} Guess I'll live, learn, keep writing and think first next book.

There, fixed that for you. Maybe gullible and guilty of not researching, but NOT stupid. :)
 

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Welcome, Leslie. I know how you are feeling and I hope you can see that falling for PA's misleading website and weasel-worded contract is not the end of your writing career. You are right -- write another book and keep on keeping on. PA only wins if we stop writing.

Check out the other sections here at AW and please, try not to beat yourself up about signing with PA. I signed with them in 2008 and regret it more than I can ever say, but I will not let them have even an ounce of negative power in my life.

Keep writing! Keep writing! Keep writing!
 

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We all live and learn, friend. Welcome.

I was stupid, gullible and guilty of not researching before I acted. Now I have a book from Publish America and am ashamed of it.

I should have known better :} Guess I'll live, learn, keep writing and think first next book.
 

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this may have saved my life. a friend of mine had a book published by PA and recommended them to me. I may rethink and research for a better publisher.