did I just plagiarize a novel?

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Hi everyone. I have just reached the 60,000 word count on my WIP (reaching for 120,000) and I am wondering if I have accidentally stole the idea from the keys to the kingdom series. I mean the characters, plot/scenes, personalities, structure, dialog, narrative style are different but I think the basic idea is the same. I know you can't “copyright an idea” but it still seems like it could be classified as stealing rather than being inspired by the work, even though I know for a fact I never heard of the KTTK series or read any of the books.


Basically, both my book and his books main idea is fighting physical forms of the seven sins and collecting an item from them. The basic premise, fighting henchmen to collect mystic items needed to fight the ultimate evil bad guy, is fairly standard fantasy stuff and in my book I also add fighting against physical forms of the seven virtues. The names, personalities (though influenced by the sin) physical design/species and locations of the physical forms of the sins are still completely different, but it still is what it is. I found out about his series just as I had finished the sins half from looking on wikipedia and I am at a lost for words, literally. I haven't written anything in the book for a week. This is the first writing of this magnitude I have attempted and I feel heartbroken that I may have to scrape everything I have wrote. I can't really change the whole sin/virtue theme because it ruins the main goal of my story.



Now my work is entirely humor based, so I think I could call it a parody. I don't have a problem mentioning his book series as an accidental influence at all, in fact it is kind of a funny situation though I don't think I could look back at it in ten years and laugh about it. If I was to do that, do you need the author/publishers permission to write a parody? I also heard it has to resemble the plot pretty similarly, like bored of the rings, and I still think there are still so many differences between our two stories. I really, really, really don't want to just scrape the book and consider it “a learning experience” but I don't want to get sued either. And I swear to god it was an accident. I know what books I have read in my life. At the most I would have seen it's cover at a bookstore while looking for something to read. Any feedback is appreciated as long as I'm not called a thieving hack. I do also plan to still post here instead of leaving once my question is answered, but I really can't stop thinking about this. Thanks for looking and sorry if this is in the wrong section.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_to_the_Kingdom his thing
 

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The bottom line is - you can't plagiarize a plot. If the characters and words you've used are different, then you are in the clear for plagiarism. You can't be sued for it.

Now if the themes and plots are obviously similar, it could very well cause you some heartache when it comes time to do anything with what you've written. If it's been done in a big successful way, there won't be much incentive for a publisher to do it again.

From what you've said here it's difficult to say just how closely the two stories resemble each other. My advice to you would be to buy the other guy's work, read it, search your head and your heart for hope for your project and act accordingly. You may find there is no real reason to fret.
 

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It doesn't sound like you've plagiarised but it does sound like your work is derivative. As such, it might be difficult to publish simply because agents and publishers tend to look for the more original "next big thing." However, if the source you've (accidentally) derived your work from is insanely popular (I haven't heard of it but that means v. little) a publisher might see dollar signs when he imagines all its fans scooping up your somewhat similar book.
 

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From what you've said here it's difficult to say just how closely the two stories resemble each other. My advice to you would be to buy the other guy's work, read it, search your head and your heart for hope for your project and act accordingly. You may find there is no real reason to fret.

I have read excerpts of KTTK and I know they aren't the "same". Even now, I didn't want to indulge into too much details from my book in fear someone will steal my idea. lol. Maybe I'm looking too close into it, because I don't think the KTTK guy, garth nix, could be sued by the makers of the movie seven because it revolves around the theme of the deadly sins. Thanks for the response.
 

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Sure. I wasn't asking you to elaborate. I was just offering a suggestion to maybe help you ease your own mind. You'll be the best person to know if it's too similar.

It does sound, however, like you're in the clear for plagiarism.
 

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You can't accidentally plagiarize. Plagiarism is copying actual words. There can be gray areas where someone say, rewrites an entire chapter, but you're not in that territory. In order for someone to plausibly suspect you of plagiarism, you'd have to have more than a few words lining up, and the chance of this happening by accident is extremely small.

You might be accused of copyright infringement. Again, you can't do this accidentally, but you might be accused of it and someone might believe you've done it. However, the rule is that you can't copyright ideas--only the implementation of ideas. From what you have said, you could, legally, have stolen your idea from this other book and no one could do a damn thing about it.

So that does leave you with the problem that it will be harder to sell a book that shares some basic ideas with an existing book. However, if you've got 60,000 words already, I'd advise you to finish it, because it's value just as an exercise might make it worth it, and you never know if you won't be able to sell it as it anyhow.

Lots of people have unsellable novels sitting around, and if we all knew in advance what would sell, life would be a lot simpler.
 

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Personally, I'm one of those who believes there are no new ideas. Strip down any plot with the specifics and many novels, films, television, and other media mediums tell the same story (good vs. evil, finding one's true self, finding love against all odds, etc.) The point is to find a new way to tell these stories.

Back to your original question--your novel sounds similar to that book series (I've personally never read the series so I can't offer any specifics), but it doesn't sound like plagiarism. Like the others, I'd recommend reading a few of the books. You might find out that the author takes the story in a completely different direction than you plan with yours. Good luck!
 

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Sorry that the seven sins is such a popular idea. I have even seen several movies with that theme in it.

Like others have said, write it your way and then good luck with selling it. It may take you a bit, but sin is sin and there's no way around it. If you write well and have a great story it will work.
 

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I think anyone who writes a story that could be described as 'high concept' (easily distillable down to one central conceit) runs the risk of that concept already having been 'done'.

Doesn't mean it can't be done again, or done different, or done better.

Lets face it, in movie terms the 'Rocky story' is practically a genre now.
 

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There was a BBC television series based around the seven deadly sins a few years back as well.
 

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I have read excerpts and there is in no way I am copying words verbatim for just giving the book's characters new names. Plagiarize probably wasn't the best word, but I was really freaked out for a while there.

There are actually a lot of tv shows, video games and whatnot that have the idea of fighting physical forms of the seven deadly sins, but really just the one novel that actually does that. I am pretty sure now I haven't stolen the idea, at least as anymore than he would have stolen it from someone else's tv show or video game. There would be no such things as genres if they weren't similar, in the big concept/idea, in some aspect. Thanks everyone.
 

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Garth Nix is a lovely man (he gave me a gold coin when we met last year). I doubt he'd freak out over a vaguely similar idea to his KTTK series. And I mean VERY vaguely similar, from what you've said. Nix's main character in that series isn't exactly 'fighting' the seven deadly sins. More like outsmarting them to stop them killing him.
 

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Garth Nix is a lovely man (he gave me a gold coin when we met last year). I doubt he'd freak out over a vaguely similar idea to his KTTK series. And I mean VERY vaguely similar, from what you've said. Nix's main character in that series isn't exactly 'fighting' the seven deadly sins. More like outsmarting them to stop them killing him.

Yeah, I went to his site and he really seemed like a cool person based on the layout. Good to hear from someone knowing more of how exactly his series is laid out.
 

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If your main character is a 12 year old boy with asthma who is sucked into another world when he failed to die at his appointed time, then you should worry. Otherwise, there's no reason for concern.
 

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I heard a long time ago that there are no new stories. I agree with everyone else here, if you're not telling it the same way, then there are no worries. As "Wark" said above - Star Wars has been told over and over, and it was taken from an even older story, I'm sure.

Now whether or not your novel will be marketable is another issue altogether. If the same story is told too often in a short period of time people will tire of it. Are you striking while the iron is hot? Or has it already cooled? If commercial success isn't your main goal, then don't worry about it.

Personally, I'd never heard of the previous series. But it sounds like an interesting premise. Maybe I'd pick up your book first.
 

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Does he also do the seven virtues? If not, I suggest that you write that half of the story so that it can stand alone. Then, if you encounter resistence trying to sell the "sins" part, you can push the sequel, which would be perceived as being more original, yet with that hook back to KTTK.
 
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