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Sometimes I have a hard time forming pictures in my head. I have the same problem for my writing. I feel like I need to know all the details, such as what the characters are wearing, what they look like, where they are and a description of the room they're in, what time it is and the color of the sky outside.

Is this normal? Does anyone else experience these kinds of problems? What should I do?
 

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Sometimes I have a hard time forming pictures in my head. I have the same problem for my writing. I feel like I need to know all the details, such as what the characters are wearing, what they look like, where they are and a description of the room they're in, what time it is and the color of the sky outside.

Is this normal? Does anyone else experience these kinds of problems? What should I do?

You do need to know those details.

We don't need to know all of them. But you need all of them to know which ones are most substantive to your story.

In answer to your question, I am obsessed with details. If you can't see the image yet, let it settle, hone in on very specific things, one by one. Smells in the air, how's the lighting?, is it cold, hot, a breeze, what is there directly around your 'camera', and what's in the distance? What do you hear? Reach out and touch something.

Etc.
 

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Try paying more attention to people you see -- take mental note of what they look like, what they're wearing.

Any time you find an interesting place -- a room, a building, a street -- remember it as a possible story location.

If you'd rather do this from your chair, search for info on Google, start with current news, or maybe new films, or movie stars.

What I'm suggesting is, build up a mental library of stock images that you can use in your writing so you don't need to worry about thinking stuff up from scratch. Everywhere you go, keep your eyes and ears open. It's a form of research.

-Derek
 

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when I write, when is it appropriate to describe a person's appearance, the clothes they wear, what time it is, the sky outside, and their current location?
 

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You can add details in rewrite.

Do you need all those details (such as the color of the sky) to tell the story? Are you obsessing with details that nobody cares? Are you stalling?
 

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Heidi Julavits said once during a writer's conference she wrote scenery when she had no idea what to write.

Sounds like a typical drag-your-feet type symptom to me (she admitted it was).
 

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when I write, when is it appropriate to describe a person's appearance, the clothes they wear, what time it is, the sky outside, and their current location?
It's appropriate to describe a person's appearance when the POV character notices it. Usually this is when the characters first meet, unless they meet in a high action scene or a scene where it's difficult to see, in which case they may not notice until they're in a calmer situation with better light.

It's appropriate to describe a person's clothing if it shows something about their personality, status, profession, or something else of importance to the character and/or story.

If it's an outdoor scene I usually note something about the weather. Sunny/overcast/raining makes a big visual difference in an outdoor scene.

Whether you mention what time it is depends on the scene and story. I'm usually not more specific than morning/afternoon/evening/night, but my stories aren't time-sensitive. If the villain is going to destroy the world at 2:00 tomorrow afternoon unless your hero stops him, the exact time would be important to the story.

The reader should always know the location in which a scene is taking place. How much space you devote to describing the location is hugely variable. A normal American living room could be described in a single sentence, while a striking fantasy landscape may require a number of paragraphs to paint a clear picture for the reader.

Sometimes I have a hard time forming pictures in my head. I have the same problem for my writing. I feel like I need to know all the details, such as what the characters are wearing, what they look like, where they are and a description of the room they're in, what time it is and the color of the sky outside.

Is this normal? Does anyone else experience these kinds of problems? What should I do?
Yes, it's normal to need to know all these things to write a scene. I don't have any advice on how to do this, though, because visualizing comes naturally to me.
 

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You might be detail-oriented, which can be both a plus and a minus. A plus is that you'll probably put in the name of a tree that adds an extra level to the setting that someone else will bypass completely. A minus is that it's easy to put in too much detail and not realize that not everyone else finds it interesting.


I'm detail-oriented and have learned to pull back from it--I've had to because a lot of the details aren't really that important, and in some cases, they make more work for me (it means I have to match up a detail to another one to make sure I don't have continuity mistakes). I find now that I don't need to see every detail or the whole picture. I have no idea know what my characters look like (I have 21 characters and can only tell you the hair color for exactly 2).

What I do with my details:

I try to be specific. This is like a little bit of salt--goes a long ways. If I mention a tree, instead of saying it's a tree and describing it, I just say it's a pine and stop.

I pick details that add something to the story. That's why I don't have hair color for many of my characters. Just doesn't add anything. The two that do get mentioned have a specific purpose in the story.

I avoid describing the obvious. The reader knows the sky is blue, so I'm not going to describe the sky being blue.

I also try not to add too much detail together. This comes from a description workshop. Several of the participants had these 200 word paragraphs filled to brim with detail after after detail. I'm detail-oriented, but I felt like those paragraphs of colors and stripes, and every sound conceivable was too much and cluttered. So if I need a lot of detail, I spread it around and try not to overwhelm the reader with it.

And my main goal: Be interesting with the detail. If it isn't interesting, people won't want to read it.
 

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when I write, when is it appropriate to describe a person's appearance, the clothes they wear, what time it is, the sky outside, and their current location?

Describe anything in your story whenever it's important for your point-of-view character to notice it.

It's only important that we know your POV character noticed something if that something will move the story in any way, or if the action of noticing it tells us something important about your POV character's personality or state of mind.
 

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when I write, when is it appropriate to describe a person's appearance, the clothes they wear, what time it is, the sky outside, and their current location?
When you feel like it, or when the story needs these details.

Many locations don't need describing, you just have to say where the character is and readers will picture the scene. An office, a kitchen, a dentist's waiting room. We can already supply the details.

I don't always describe POV characters. Other characters' reactions to them hints whether they're good-looking or not, whether they're liked or disliked, what their rank is (social or professional). Quick example from an old story just for fun's sake:
Macauley of all people was waiting for him, a cup of tea in one hand and a sandwich in the other. Heaven forbid that Macauley should be denied his midnight snack -- he'd fade away to a shadow. North climbed shakily out of the cockpit and lurched toward him, relieved to be on solid ground again.
"Good of you to drop in, Laddie," Macauley shouted above the rising din of the patrol car's thrusters. "The rest of us can go home now that you're here."
Two cops at a crime scene, North is the superior officer who just got flown in to the location, he's terrified of flying and heights. Macauley is the kind of slob who eats while watching other people examine dead bodies. This is all the description they get when they're introduced.

When the POV character meets other people, describing physical features can get boring, so I try to focus only on what's unusual or on what's important. But again just for fun example's sake here are 3 short snippets taken from another old story that do supply physical description:

An oil lantern came into view, held by a tall, well-dressed noble with dark eyes, a hooked nose and lips that looked as though they'd never smiled. He wore his arrogance like an impenetrable cloak. His cold, unblinking gaze studied every inch of the cell before settling upon me.
This is a significant major character so I gave him a splash of paint to help the reader see him.

I discovered two men standing there, watching me. They wore long black cloaks, tricorn hats and scarves that covered their faces so that only their eyes were visible. Both carried flintlock pistols, cocked and pointed at my belly. They looked more like highwaymen than anything else...
This is a dangerous moment for the story's hero, the description gives the men a sinister appearance.

I lifted my arms while the servant fastened the belt about my waist. Then I noticed Patrizia, talking to a handsome, fair-haired fellow who leaned indolently against a door frame, his arms folded across his chest. He pretended to listen to what she was saying, but I sensed his entire attention was focused on me at that particular moment.
This "handsome, fair-haired fellow" appears later in the story, at which point he will be easily recognizable, his description here is planted as a visual clue.

So, 4 examples with 4 different reasons to describe or not describe the characters. Sometimes the reader needs to "see" stuff, sometimes the story needs info. Sometimes a personality trait is enough and the reader doesn't need to see much physical description.

-Derek
 

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Good advice upstream. Some other things to keep in mind:

Scenery can be described when it is important for the reader to know the time of day, specific location of the scene, or to lay down a background tone for the scene. Scenery can even become a character in a scene by playing on the minds and actions of the human characters. But in each of these different "uses" the type and depth of description will vary.

Description of clothing can be tedious if it is given for each character and as soon as that character makes an entrance. Clothing can say something about the mood or attitude of a character and it can be be used for showing the "first impression" the POV character gets of a just-met character. Clothing can also be used to generate a picture of the "formality" of a scene. Rather than just saying John is at a required business cocktail party, a writer can have him agonizing about having to wear a suit and to deal with cheek cramps from fake-smiling through the event, even have him worry that someone in the higher part of his office pecking order will notice that he is wearing a clip-on tie. So, with a little clothing description, you have added some characterization and some useful information about John's workplace and his attitude towards it. You've also just launched the scene for some potentially interesting interactions, both with a background tension and with full potential for the unusual, unexpected, dastardly, or just plain interesting.
 

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All good advice here, DwayneA.

You don't have to describe EVERYTHING - in fact you mustn't, for the following reasons:
- Part of the enjoyment of reading is applying one's own imagination to the text. Readers often like to fill in the blanks themselves.
- We are all familiar with certain locations and types of locations - description of them would be pointless.
- Long descriptions are boring to read.

Include description if:
- It is important to the plot.
- It reveals something about the character and helps us to get to know them or understand them.
- It adds to atmosphere, mood or tension.

Finally, remember it is better to use a few well-chosen words rather than long rambling descriptions, and remember never to stop the story for a description - details should be dropped in so that the reader barely notices.

Hope that helps.
 

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The reader can imagine something far more clearly than you could ever describe it. Let the reader work for you when possible. Give them some small points of description to give them a direction for their imagination, then let their little brains make the rest up--and they'll imagine it far more vividly than you could write it.
 

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As writer you have to create the atmosphere of the scene but also give information as to its location. Think about what details the character would notice.
 

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Using real City names - Is it an important detail?

Maybe not the right place for this, not sure, as I could not find any references using a search. The question I have is this. Is it an important detail to name the city where your story occurs? For example: In my current WIP, a mystery/thriller, I have used a lot of fictional locations in an unnamed city. Places like restaurants, lakes, amusement parks, and the like. The only real names I have used are ones such as U.C.L.A., Cornell, and Key West, FLA. But the city where my MC and peripheral characters live is yet unnamed. So, should I pick a place and then change the fictional locations to real ones in that city? Does it really matter?

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Re: Your Characters

Hi:

While I'm a non-fiction writer, I have lot of friends who write fiction. Like you, they have a lot of details running through their minds about their characters. I think it's normal considering the type of genre you write.

However, if trying to decide on specific information, I would suggest two things:
1) Buy the book, "Building Believable Characters"
2) Create a page for each one of your characters and decide on what items you want to characterize about them.

Create a standard of about 5-10 descriptions such as:
Eye Color
Hair Color
Temperment
Height
Upbringing

Also, you need to consider how relevant each description will be to your story. If certain descriptions are not neccessary for you to create a fantastic story, then don't use them.

Remember, while others will read your book, you are the author and you know how your book will begin and end.

Hope this helps you.
 

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About where it takes place...there's no need to be particularly specific unless the exact location is vital. The country, size of location, and an indication of whether it's north or south would be enough.
 

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Maybe not the right place for this, not sure, as I could not find any references using a search. The question I have is this. Is it an important detail to name the city where your story occurs? For example: In my current WIP, a mystery/thriller, I have used a lot of fictional locations in an unnamed city. Places like restaurants, lakes, amusement parks, and the like. The only real names I have used are ones such as U.C.L.A., Cornell, and Key West, FLA. But the city where my MC and peripheral characters live is yet unnamed. So, should I pick a place and then change the fictional locations to real ones in that city? Does it really matter?

Thanks

I personally think the story would seem more real if you named the city and the places you visit. You must be careful you don't malign these establishments or lawsuits will follow. If something bad happens in a bar or restaurant, change the name and location. I do that anyway, but I'm using a small city that's easily recognizable by its residents.

To the OP, I would leave the descriptions up to the reader's imagination. A room is a room, an office is an office. Unless there is something in the room that will advance the story, I wouldn't bother adding it to the story. If you enter a particular kind of place, you might want to give a brief description.
I opened the door to the customer service center and was stunned. Row after row of cubicles as far as the eye could see. I could hear a steady hum from the people in the cubes, as they talked to customers from all over the world...
With three short sentences you should have a picture of the place.
If a character is significantly different than others, you may want to describe him.
I spotted Dave's horseshoe mustache first. His six and a half foot, 350 pound body became a factor as he approached the normal sized people in the crowd.
 

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re. Character description: It is a good thing you have all these details in your head. The character will appear more complete in your writing, even if you're not revealing all these details, which of course you shouldn't. Pick out a few of the quirkier, more interesting details of the character. Even if they're not essential to the plot, I find this enjoyable reading and it means I form a unique image of the character.

re. city name - no, I don't see why it would be necessary for readers to know the city name, there is no harm in either using fictional names or not naming one at all.
 
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