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I have this idea and I’m not sure if it’s interesting to other writers. I’d love to bounce it off you guys. Now, what I’m looking for is a general impressions of whether something like this might interest you. (And fair warning, if you’re not interested in collaborative writing or writing short fiction, there’s no need to respond. I know the majority of writers here aren’t and don’t know why you possibly would be. And as much as I respect your opinion, I’m not asking for feedback on the merits or appeal of this kind of writing. Just, if you’re interested in this form of fiction, would something like this appeal to you?)

Okay that being said, what I’m working on is creating a YA, paranormal online soap that I want to develop as a venue for other writers. You see, I realize that I’m mostly interested in (and my background stems from) producing. I write, but I prefer producing and editing more (I’m just odd that way, I suppose). And so, I’d like to work on a project that plays to my strengths but could also help other writers in the process too.

My thought was to create this world and a set of characters and an overarching storyline and work with a group of writers (who dig the characters and this world as well) and we’d write this ongoing serialized story that would really bring this world alive. Now, the catch is that each writer would be given an episode that has 3 segments with rough scenarios of what should happen in each scene. Depending on the interests of the writers involved, they might come up with the scenarios themselves or it might be assigned to them. A scenario could be as simple as “Cameron & Rachel’s relationship is getting rockier and they get into a fight.” Or it might be more elaborate because it advances the overall “A” storyline (i.e.; The Big Fight with the darker forces) or needs to feed into a sub-plot or character arc. Regardless, I think with 3 segments per episode, each writer would get to work with a variety of characters and on a variety of scenarios (ranging from humorous to intensely dramatic, love scenes to fight scenes) and this would keep the assignments interesting.

So, what’s in it for the writers? I hear you asking this already. :) Well, shared profits of course, but making a lot of money off something like this would be highly unlikely, but not necessarily impossible (I found some great syndication possibilities). I think from the writer’s perspective, each episode could be treated almost like a writing exercise where you’d have a cast of characters and scenarios to choose from. Then, you’d just be expected to have fun with it. As a producer, I could take any raw stuff and help you polish it up. Since it’s a joint project, whatever helps make the work more entertaining and engaging, we’ll do. (Note - If I did help edit, it would only be for pacing, clarity, and world-building consistency, not for voice. You'd have final approval of any suggested changes. Think of it as a different form of SYW.) Also, by treating the episodes like writing exercises there’s less pressure on you as the writer to feel like you have to make everything spectacular so I don't think it would take away creatively from your own work, and “wow!” how cool would it be if your flash, character sketches, or writing exercises helped you build an audience? I think that’s pretty cool.J

Anyway, for those of you out there looking for ways to improve your writing or ways to stretch yourselves, would something like this appeal to you? I’m not necessarily recruiting at this point because the project is still very much in the germination phase. But in theory, would you want to be a part of something like this to give yourself a chance to branch out while you grew as a writer?

*Btw, I can post a very rough pitch for the idea, if anyone’s seriously interested in participating. Or you can always PM me, which might be a better way to go.
 
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It's an interesting concept. The behind the scenes interpersonal aspect of it would seem to be the most challenging hurdle.

Have you seen Shadow Unit? Similar to what you are talking about, with a different genre/market.

And yes, you are right, the odds of making any money off the site itself are very long, and would most likely take a long time to develop.

I don't write a lot of YA, but I might have an interest.

I'd suggest posting the pitch. In fact, you might want to post it over in SYW. (Although it might better belong in one of the promotion threads, a Mod will probably wander by and let you know that. No harm, no foul, and all that.)

Folks would have a better idea of the world you have in mind, and if interested, can PM you from there.
 
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Thanks, Williebee! I'm glad it's not totally out of left field. In talking to a few of my writer friends it was sure seeming to be. I did see a reference to Shadow Unit in a thread somewhere and that's the first time I've come across something that's very similar to what I'm thinking. When I post the picth, I'll let you know.

AND TO THE MODS - I didn't know it was verboten to x-post. So sorry.. :e2smack: Let me know the most appropriate place to post going forward, and if I get interest I'll post there.
 

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I am always interested in playing off of another... I have a friend doing something similar in the twitter world... it has been interesting to watch their characters grow, and die (eek)...

That being said, I agree with Slick Willie up there. Let's hear the pitch!
 

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Oh, great. Put me on the spot why don’t ya? ;) Alright, the rough pitch is this:

Think “Integration,” but not in a political sense. In the sense of all the conflict it entails.

Since this is an old post, PM me for details

So, what do you think? It could be fun, huh? What I really like about the concept is that it gives you a lot of room to play with different themes and scenarios while telling a much larger, action-packed story.

Hettie – I’d be very interested to learn more about your friend's Twitter project. Is there a hash topic I can check?
 
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You might want to consider bringing this to the YA forum?

I don't know if you know this, but there are a lot of games in the YA forum where the authors bring their characters to interact with each other. So it wouldn't be a stretch to suppose they'd be interested in doing a collaboration like this.
 

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Thanks, Sage. It's been moved.

Hettie - I'm checking out the Tweet Mystery. It looks like a blast! And I'll definitely be in touch should this move forward.

BTW - Because someone asked. This takes place in a contemporary setting where the Otherworlders live along side, but largely avoid, humans. And I really wouldn't want this to be a "heavy message" venue, although exploring complex themes would be awesome. When I said integration I merely said that to give you an idea of the source of the larger conflicts. To me, stories just aren't fun if there's no juicy conflict. So there won't be any burning crosses or school protests, or anything like that (unless you can find an unconventional way to slip them in, LOL)
 

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Hey, Jackie, I was wondering if you were planning to do the first episode yourself. I think it might help with some writers to see firsthand the world and characters. (For example I would need to connect to the characters before I seriously consider joining). Also some questions:

- Are you okay with the wide variety of styles and probably voices you'll be getting this way?

-How long do you envision it lasting (how many eps), and how often do you think people would get to contribute (I realize this will partially depend on interest, but interest might change depending on the answer)?

- I think it's worth saying out loud (although I think it'd be unlikely to make money, just like you do, but in case it does), if it did make money, would it be split evenly between authors and yourself, or would you expect a large percentage because you were producing?

- How often would new episodes be posted? And where do you envision posting them?

- Would we have any say in which eps we wanted to do? Like will you have an outline (probably a good idea so we can slip in foreshadowing, place guns in there to be fired by the next writer) and then if something really excites an author, they can choose that? How much communication to you see between the authors (for example if I need a gun to fire, can I ask the writer before me to supply it, or would I go through you? All guns in this question are metaphorical)?
 
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I'd have to see exactly what you're doing (the first, pilot episode so to speak), but I think this sounds interesting.
 

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Long post...sorry

Hey, Jackie, I was wondering if you were planning to do the first episode yourself. I think it might help with some writers to see firsthand the world and characters. (For example I would need to connect to the characters before I seriously consider joining).

Hey Sage! I’m glad the project has piqued your interest. And you’ve posed some very, very good questions--some of which I either haven’t worked out yet, or the answer would depend on the number of writers involved, and their level of involvement. But I’ll try to address them below, as best I can. As far as connecting with the characters, I totally agree with you. You wouldn’t have fun if you weren’t writing characters you didn’t connect with. One of the goals I’ve set out for this series is for us to create characters that the readers really care about, and that they love. That, to me, would be the ultimate challenge and the ultimate goal that we’d all be working towards, so yes, the writers would have to love them too.

Also some questions:

- Are you okay with the wide variety of styles and probably voices you'll be getting this way?

Absolutely! The way this is shaping up (structurally speaking) I think the project would benefit from a variety of styles. (More about that below.) But, to some degree, the voices and styles would have to mesh. How to gain that coherence, again, would depend on the writers. I'd like to start out with the writers writing for a variety of different characters, which is more in the vein of writing for a television series. But if the series really takes off and certain writers gel with certain characters, then I’m willing to look at changing up the model to accommodate for that…if everyone agrees.

-How long do you envision it lasting (how many eps), and how often do you think people would get to contribute (I realize this will partially depend on interest, but interest might change depending on the answer)?

The structure is shaping up to be an episode a week, with each episode comprised of 3 segments, and each segment revolving around a different set of characters. I’ve mapped out 6 episodes so far, and at least in summary form, this seems to work well. We'd publish a segment on the Mon, Wed, & Fri. of each week. If that didn’t work, then we may have to pull back. I know you can’t mess with people’s expectations too much, so I’d want to try and get it right from the get-go. As far as how long it’ll last, I’d probably ask for a 3 month commitment, minimum, from each writer, with the hopes that it would be much longer so that they could build up a fan-base. If I get the number of writers I want, that would mean each writer would turn in an episode a month for 3 months to start. I’m researching optimum lengths, but it’s looking like a story segment (or blog post) would be about 1000-1200 words, and a full week’s episode would be about 3000-3600 words. Again, this might change depending on a variety of factors. I’m still flexible at this point.

- I think it's worth saying out loud (although I think it'd be unlikely to make money, just like you do, but in case it does), if it did make money, would it be split evenly between authors and yourself, or would you expect a large percentage because you were producing?

Yes, let’s just pull it out and slap it on the table, why don't we? LOL. No, very valid question. There would be a percentage split, and my percentage would probably be bigger to cover site creation, administration, and hosting; publicity and promotion; and also all given the coordination and producing involved. From the writer’s pool, the split may vary depending, again on level of involvement. If a writer is contributing not only their episodes, but is writing copy for the website, brainstorming story ideas and fostering a burgeoning community, then they’re not just writing but also producing, and should be compensated accordingly. But just as a reality check, a slightly larger share of not much is still, not much.

- How often would new episodes be posted? And where do you envision posting them?

Per above, one episode a week, 3 segments - M, W, & F. I’d create a Wordpress-based site for the story and add playlists (created by the writers for their episode, if they want), comments, and forums if there was reader interest.

- Would we have any say in which eps we wanted to do? Like will you have an outline (probably a good idea so we can slip in foreshadowing, place guns in there to be fired by the next writer) and then if something really excites an author, they can choose that? How much communication to you see between the authors (for example if I need a gun to fire, can I ask the writer before me to supply it, or would I go through you? All guns in this question are metaphorical)?

Like I said, I’m mapping out the first 6 episodes now, to see if it’s possible to introduce all the characters (and to see if there are, perhaps, too many characters) and to introduce the world/central conflict. These episodes could change with writer input, though. In the beginning, it's critically important to build up the world so in order to create this foundation, what I’d like to do is assign these episodes, gathering feedback from the writers as they get to know the characters, the story, and the world. That means you'd get at least one somewhat scripted episode. After that, it's totally open. You can come up with story ideas (in fact I encourage that), we could brainstorm ideas together or you can brainstorm with other writers. Or you could chose an idea from the episodes already outlined. As long as the characters stay consistent and the stories fit the world, there's a lot of flexibility.

Now, having said that, I think it’s important to see this project more from a TV series model, rather than a novel writing perspective. There’ll be constraints because there have to be in order to develop a coherent and evolving world. Plus, there’ll be story issues we have to juggle (Chekov’s gun, as you mentioned), scheduling conflicts and the like. However, that’s why I think the 3-segment episode is so brilliant because it gives us lots of room to work with. As long as one of the segments plays a functional role (i.e.; advances the “A” storyline, sets up a new character, provides exposition, or furthers the worldbuilding), then that leaves the other two segments to focus on the fun stuff. And that’s where the writers can really drive things. I’ll have a cache of scenes I’d like to see happen at some point, so if you don’t want to think about it you don’t have to and I can assign you one of those. But, if you want to plan a storyline or experiment with a scene or a set of characters, cool! We’ll build that into the overall story. What I’d love is for this to take on the shape of the TV series model, with us meeting as a team to map out a season and then sketch out the episodes in a virtual “writer’s room” and then the writers can go off and write their episodes according to the schedule. If you need to talk to another writher then great, I’ll just need to know what was decided and make sure it works for the overall story. If you want to collaborate with another writer, even better. I think that could be really cool.

On the other hand, if you just want to try my “writing exercise” model, that’s cool too. I’m good with editing, so I can help you clean it up or work with the raw material. The idea is for you to invest in the project according to your desire and availability. All I ask is that if you give me really raw stuff that you’ve obviously spent 5 minutes on and it's totally out of synch with the story and the characters, you’re not going to freak out if I edit it and clean it up. You'll still have final approval over edits, but consistently turning in stuff you've put no effort into so I can clean it up for you isn't going to fly.

What I’ll do is put something together for those who’ve expressed an interest, PM you, and you can take a look. Even if you ultimately choose not to join, I’d appreciate your feedback. As I said, this is all in the planning stages.

Thanks!
 
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That sounds like a lot of fun! I'd definitely be interested in hearing more. This may be a stupid question, but are you planning on publishing just the written storylines online? With your TV background, I was wondering if you were planning on actually filming the segments? In any case, please add me to your list of possible collaborators!

Karen
 

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That sounds like a lot of fun! I'd definitely be interested in hearing more. This may be a stupid question, but are you planning on publishing just the written storylines online? With your TV background, I was wondering if you were planning on actually filming the segments? In any case, please add me to your list of possible collaborators!

Karen

Hi Karen,

No such thing as a stupid question. You're a writer, you should know that. ;)

I wish I could film it but I don't have the money or resources and I'm not in LA anymore, where you could find actors and crew on the cheap. I bring in the TV references because of the writer/producer relationship. From what I've seen, even for online serials, it's unusual.

I'm still cleaning up my notes and putting some stuff together to send out. I'll put you on the list!
 
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It definitely sounds interesting.

Let me see if I have it right:
So you plan on having about 12 writers then? One segment from each per month with 3 segments a week.
Each segment is over 1K mininmum to 3k maximum?

I'm interested. Although I'd like to know two things:
1) Are there humans in the school or just Otherworlders, do humans appear ever? (It wouldn't affect my final decision, I'm just curious.)
2) Era; Medieval, current, alternate universe?
 

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Hi JJM!

Glad you're interested!

My thinking was to have 4-5 core writers who'll write for a period of time (say, 3-6 months, it's still being determined.) Each writer would get a week where they would write an episode, consisting of 3 story segments. The story segments would be published during their week on M, W, and F. If the writers cliqued and really dug the project, then I'd stick with them for as long as they were interested. Otherwise, I'd recruit anew.

I'll evaluate the project at 3 months, and then again at 6 months, to see how things are going. Given that I haven't even posted the project on any other writer boards yet and with the level of interest I'm getting, maybe it could be opened up to more writers. I love the idea of working with a large a group of writers but 1) It would quickly become a planning and scheduling nightmare and 2) It's best if the writers worked on evolving storylines so they could build up an audience for themselves. That's much harder to do with a different writer every month.

Like I said, I think the shape of the project will depend on the writers. So, we'll have to see.

In terms of setting, it's a contemporary story set in a monastary or a mansion near an undisclosed city. The cast is multi-racial and global, so I want to keep the location vague. Only a few humans are aware that the Otherworlders exist (usually family members who are humans themselves, or humans who've had nasty encounters with Otherworlders and are bent on destroying them) and some humans suspect they exist but have never gotten proof. So, humans will factor in, but only tangentially.

P.S. - I'll add you to the list. :)
 

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Dragonlance. I haven't heard of that series. I'll have to look it up. Thanks!
 
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