Passive -'I was' - editing hell

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I know that there are a ton of passive/active threads helps on here - mainly because I have spent the last hour looking for help on this tricky topic. BUT I'm still stuck, so hope no one minds me asking for a little help.

Let me explain, I have a completed MS but I really didn't start to learn about common mistakes of first time writers until I entered editing hell. Now my MS has less adverbs (shaving a ton of word count), less said bookisms but still in passive hell. I've done tons of investigating on the internet since but I can't seem to re-write any of my 'was' sentances.

I checked my WIP and out of 90k words, 2000 of them are 'was'. I have tried reading all the rules of how to change something passive to active, but I just can't make my sentances do it.

Frustrating! Plus the more I read, the more I see it says that passive is the obvious sign of a new/bad/lazy writer - I really want to do a good job editing this as people like the plot. Any ideas of other places I could try to hone this skill, or clearer help on what to do with the 'I was' sentances.

Thanks - I'm tearing my hair out!
 

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It's really a matter of the voice in your head when it comes to editing. I often read out loud the passages I want to fix. Saying things like: "I was" can easily be replaced by taking it out and making the sentence active like in the following example:

I was hoping he would notice me.

I hope he notices me.

I was shocked to see her wear that dress.

It shocked me to see her wear that dress.


Does that help at all?
 

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Not all uses of "was" are passive.

Passive sentences are when the subject of the sentence is not the one actually doing something.

"I was drowning" =/= passive

"I was pulled under water by a mermaid" = passive (the mermaid is acting and the narrator is doing nothing in this sentence)
 

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Thanks, reading aloud is a great idea. It always seems so obvious once you've changed it, but getting there, for me at least is like pulling teeth. And I'm dentist phobic.

Any help with this one for example:
I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting

It's making my head hurt.
 

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I'll toss something else out as a "thinking point". If you have 2000 occurrences of "was" in a 90k manuscript, your problem might not be total related to writing passive sentences, but also of not varying your sentences; in other word, using the same type of construction, such as (just a crude example):

I was thinking about tomorrow. It was the day I had to decide whether to marry Jeff or not. It was not going to be an easy decision and I was totally confused. Was I ready to get married, I wondered.
 

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Any help with this one for example:
I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting

It's making my head hurt
While that sentence is guilty of telling (instead of showing), it is not passive.

One way to get rid of the sentence, if it's paining you or you wanted to show more, would be to skip it and go into the narrator's suspicions.
 

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Thanks, reading aloud is a great idea. It always seems so obvious once you've changed it, but getting there, for me at least is like pulling teeth. And I'm dentist phobic.

Any help with this one for example:
I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting

It's making my head hurt.

I grew suspicious of the type of research he conducted.

ETA: One good rule of thumb that I've learned about active sentences is this: Your characters shouldn't be "getting" but rather doing it.
 

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While that sentence is guilty of telling (instead of showing), it is not passive.

Good point - perhaps my problem is the age old 'showing not telling' rather than passive. I'll add that to the list of my other bad habits :)

So having a 'was' is not always passive? Would you be able to show me how that works? I can't correct something, if I can't spot it and my beta's really only crit the plot rather than grammer.

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Any help with this one for example:
I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting

You could get rid of an "I was" by saying something like: Suspicions about the type of research he was conducting began to creep into my mind.
 

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1. "I was" is an important, even necessary, construction in English. It is not "wrong," or bad.

2. "I was" is NOT passive voice. It never ever was, can, could, or will be Passive voice.

3. I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting is indeed an ugly sentence--but it is not passive voice.

4. Passive voice MUST have all three of these ingredients:
a. The sentence does not have a grammatical subject performing the action of the main verb.
b. The main verb is in the past (usually this means it ends in -ed)
c. There is a helping verb--usually a form of the verb "To be"

The window was smashed.

a. You don't know who smashed it (no grammatical subject for the main verb "smash"
b. The main verb is in the past tense (smashed)
c. There is a helping verb, a form of the verb "to be" in the word "was"

All of these are active:
John smashed the window.
The dog smashed the window

5. I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting could be improved in many ways; start by killing the prepositional phrases; they are not needed (of, in, on etc are prepositions)

I was suspicious about the type of research he was conducting is marginally better.

I was suspicious about his research; it was too X is possibly better.

6. Suspicions about the type of research he was conducting began to creep into my mind.

This is merely serving to distance the main verb from the subject I. That's not good. It also makes it seem like suspicions are a new variety of insect. This too is not good.

I was suspicious. His research . . . .
 
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I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting.

Not that you need even more to think about right now, but getting is also a wishy-washy-word.

Try: I began to suspect the type of research he conducted.

Alternatively, drop the sentence and instead show his particular suspicions, his particular suspicious thoughts about the other dude's research. What kinds of thoughts do you have when you're suspicious in that way?

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"I was" is NOT passive voice. It never ever was, can, could, or will be Passive voice.

This is helpful - too much internet research has really confused me on this whole topic! Some places are saying to highlight certain words and then look for them in MS to avoid passive. I thought 'was' is on this list?

Perhaps they are just talking about ways to liven prose rather than passive correction.
 

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Some places are saying to highlight certain words and then look for them in MS to avoid passive.
Perhaps they are just talking about ways to liven prose rather than passive correction.

Since 'was' often crops up in the passive voice, by searching for it you can often find it. But not every instance of 'was' will need altering. So search for the keywords like 'was' and then decide if they should stay.

They're like signals that there might be a problem, rather than signals of problems themselves.

At least as far as I can tell.
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Any help with this one for example:
I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting
What the hell was he doing in that locked laboratory of his? I had to know!

Not so much a tinkering of the original sentence as an alternative viewpoint. :) Of course that might not fit, but if it's a dull sentence, consider alternative attack angles, is all I'm suggesting.

-Derek
 

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Gemnyc, I know what you mean. The more you research, the more you will find things that contradict each other. I think the best thing you can do is go and buy a couple of really well respected grammar books like Strunk and White and just stick to one or two as far as reference goes. Otherwise, you will confuse the heck out of yourself!
 

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What the hell was he doing in that locked laboratory of his? I had to know!

Ah ha - see this just shows the difference from a completly ugly showing sentance like my original and an exciting telling one like yours.

Now if we could just sort the next 300 pgs of my MS ;)
 

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"Was and were" are not in themselves passive, but they do lead to passive thinking and show up around passive sentences. It isn't a bad thing to search out the was/were words and read the sentences they live in. The best advice I've seen is what you read from Medievelist and the "Owl" link from Alleycat.
When I was a corporate trainer, my staff presented entire classes on Active/Passive writing, and I still have difficulty in my WIPs.
 

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People need to actually learn what is meant by 'passive voice'

Most of the things discussed here have F all to do with it.
 

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"Was and were" are not in themselves passive, but they do lead to passive thinking and show up around passive sentences. It isn't a bad thing to search out the was/were words and read the sentences they live in. The best advice I've seen is what you read from Medievelist and the "Owl" link from Alleycat.
When I was a corporate trainer, my staff presented entire classes on Active/Passive writing, and I still have difficulty in my WIPs.
True.

If you use MS Word, I've written a program called the Passive Word Highlighter, which goes through your manuscript and highlights words that indicate passive voice (was, were, etc), over-used, and mis-used words in different colors. It makes them really easy to spot.

The name of the program is unfortunate, because there is no such thing as "passive words", but I'm kind of stuck with it now.

You can find it here: http://www.rogerjcarlson.com/WritingHelp/TechTips.html if you're interested.
 

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Passive sentences are not inherently evil. They don't all need to be stripped out of all manuscripts without prejudice. This is fiction not technical documentation.

Recognizing a passive sentence when you see one and choosing to use it anyway is the key.
 

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Okay, this topic is a swamp. No wonder it's confusing. There are - loosely speaking - two types of concepts involved: "passive diction" (a stylistic-judgemental category) and "passive voice" (a grammatically neutral category). When people hear the word "passive", either of the two concepts is invoked - possibly both are.

The term "passive voice" is problematic: it has a very specific meaning to grammarians and linguists (the "grammatically neutral category"), but if a new writer doesn't know about this they'll latch onto associations of the component words: (a) passive (~ boring) and (b) voice (~ the way your writing "sounds"). Combine this with a "don't use" attitude, and you have the seeds of a non-grammatical, stylistic concept. "Don't use the passive voice," translates to "Don't use boring language." And such things as "the passive voice" (grammar) become examples of "a passive voice" (style), which contains any use of "was" (as a non-evocative function word). The stylistic concept is infinitely expandable to include whatever anyone might consider boring.

The problem is that not being aware of the differing concepts involved leads to a variety of non-productive talk, as much is based on misunderstandings.

For example:

Gemnyc: I note that you're never using the term "passive voice". You're referring to "how to change something passive to active". I suspect, since you're primarily concerned with writing well and not grammar, that you're worried more about the excitement value of your text than you are about the overuse of a particular grammatical structure. I suspect that you read "passive" and think in terms of "listless, boring, immobile..." In other words, I suspect that you're trying to avoid text that doesn't move the reader. I suspect this is what this post is about.

Now you say you've read countless threads about this and are still confused. No wonder. The texts themselves are confused. Take a simple question:

"I was getting suspicious of the kind of research he was conducting."​

Is this passive?

The answers vary: (1) Are you asking whether the verbs "get" or "conduct" are in the passive voice, or (2) are you asking whether the sentence reads dull? These are two different questions.

And here's the problem: Very few threads ever distinguish clearly between the two questions. Anit-passive-voice threads usually imply that a positive answer to the first question implies a positive answer to the second question. This can be very confusing, in the first place. But here the first question is clearly negative. Neither "was getting", nor "was conducting" are in the passive voice. But this does not necessarily mean that the answer to the second question is negative.

See?

What's important here: Whether or not a verb is in the passive voice is not a matter of opinion; whether a sentence sounds dull is. We have a descriptive category, and a subjective judgment originally about the descriptive category with the related name, but consequently about a wider, yet never clearly defined range of categories. (Passive Writing: "Was": passive voice, continuous aspect, linking verbs; possibly more.)

So Gemnyc, don't worry, confusing is the natural reaction to that supposed "rule". Either that or a retreat to grammatical nit-pickery (my own preferred reaction, I admit). Both are really off-target, but the task of draining that particular swamp is just so daunting. :eek:

Here's a suggestion:

1. If you want to learn about the "passive voice" (grammatical category) forget the don't-negativity. Instead look at the construction, see what it does, and then use it the way you see fit.

2. If you want to learn about vigorous language, make sure not to acquire a prejudice against words or grammatical structures. You're writing's not going to improve if you go into a fright whenever you see "was". Writing well without "was" is harder than writing well with "was".

3. People will tell you "overuse" is bad. That's circular. Of course, overuse is bad; if it wasn't, it would be just "use", wouldn't it?

So, now to your particular example:

II.

I was getting suspicious of the type of research he was conducting.​

Like many in here, I don't much like the sentence. But fixing it is trickier than it appears. Let me look at it in detail:

1. First, you have a repetitive structure: "was getting" -- "was conducting" = "was X-ing". Your using the past continuous tense. The continuous aspect is usually there to indicate duration: there's a point of reference, and the action you're talking about stretches beyond it. You emphasise that. This becomes convoluted quickly, as there are many manners in which an action might stretch beyond the point of reference, as well as many different types of reference. Don't worry about that for now.

1. a) "was getting suspicious": The continuous aspect usually stresses duration. Consider the difference:

- I got suspicious. (= I was now suspicious.)

Not suspicious----->Suspicious​

- I was getting suspicious. (= The process of getting suspicious in not yet complete.)

Not suspicious------>A little Suspicious---->Suspicious---->Very Suspicious--->...​

I quite like Cassiopeia's suggestion of "I grew suspicious," but it's not quite there yet. It does wrap the gradual development into the verb "grow", but it also still has the sense of "I am suspicious, and I don't expect to grow more suspicious." Clearly, you could say "I was growing suspicious," but you're trying to get rid of the "was". There is the possibility of adding an adverb: "I was growing increasingly suspicious." This works because the adjective phrase "increasingly suspicious" does not so much reference a state as a process. In other words: you're now expressing with an adverb what you expressed with a verb before.

2. "was conducting". At this point I should maybe say that usage of the continuous aspect depends on how you look at the action rather than on the action itself. "the research tha he conducted" is fine. You use "conduct" as information that helps define "the research"; there is no need to stress that it was going on. Clearly you can do this. It's not wrong in any way. In context, it might express an impatience with the research (in the context of suspicion probably "wariness", or maybe annoyance). You have to weigh if the emphasis on duration has a positive effect you want.

So perhaps you could write:

I grew increasingly suspicious about the research he conducted.​

Or, if you're not afraid of "was Xing":

I was growing suspicious about the research he conducted.​

Note that you could even - for extra-emphasis - write:

I was growing increasingly suspicious about the research he conducted.​

Of course, if you wanted to emphasise the duration of the research, you might go with:

I grew increasingly suspicious about the research he was conducting.​

(This has the added advantage that the duration now "envelopes" the "growing suspicious".)

Of course, you might find that the "result-vs.process" bout the suspicion isn't all that important:

I grew suspicious about the research he was conducting.​

Note that this version, though, falls flat (at least I think so):

I grew suspicious about the research he conducted.​

To me this reads like dry information.

The trouble is that there are many permutations of this sentence, and they all have different effects, and different readers read differently, so the same sentence could be boring to me but vivid to someone else.

Ultimately, you have to judge yourself. As an exercise, play around with as many versions as you can and compare the effects they have on you. I suggest you do this away from your writing, with sentences you make up. This has the advantage, that you do not know what you want to express with the sentence, and that different versions may trigger different situations.

For example:

What's the difference between:

I looked out of the window. A chicken was crossing the road.​

and

I was looking out of the window. A chicken crossed the road.​

It's better to build an awareness of what language does than to acquire an irrational fear of certain grammatical structures. If a sentence is boring, and it contains "was", it's not necessarily the "was's" fault.
 

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This is helpful - too much internet research has really confused me on this whole topic! Some places are saying to highlight certain words and then look for them in MS to avoid passive. I thought 'was' is on this list?

Perhaps they are just talking about ways to liven prose rather than passive correction.

You might look for Tech Mod Roger Carlson's Microsoft Word for Windows writing tools. Though it pains me to nice things about Windows, I have no trouble asserting that Roger's done a very nice job with them.

You can find them here:

http://www.rogerjcarlson.com/WritingHelp/TechTips.html
 

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Gemnyc, I know what you mean. The more you research, the more you will find things that contradict each other. I think the best thing you can do is go and buy a couple of really well respected grammar books like Strunk and White and just stick to one or two as far as reference goes. Otherwise, you will confuse the heck out of yourself!

And that is why I hate English grammar :tongue

It's always something I struggle with; I suppose I have a difficult time wiring that part of my brain that can recognize all the grammatical errors.
 
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