Grrr! I have no life experience and I can't write!

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Kitty Pryde

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I am completely filled with rage. A long rant ensues. Please help me be less rageful.

I just had a huge argument with my partner that started with me asking her what you call the policemen in the UK who wear the yellow reflective jackets (answer: policemen). She's American but lived in England for 10 years-ish. I'm writing this YA book set in England, about two American tourists. And fairies for crap's sake. That simple question set her off.

She's really bent out of shape about it for unknown reasons, and insists that I can't write a place that I don't know. I pointed out that plenty of writers write about places they've never been or only been to briefly. She maintains that it cannot be done. Plenty of writers I love have captured the flavor of a place without living there for years. Dammit.

I'm not going into this totally without knowledge. I've only spent a week in England, but I'm a big time dorky anglophile who owns every episode of Red Dwarf. I've seen every British comedy show to ever reach America. I read more books by English authors than American. (Yeah I know tv and books aren't equal to real life. The point is I study the culture, a lot.) I read BBC news so much that I know more about current events in England than she does. My WIP is only 20K words in, and there are probably 200 notes in the text for me to double check that I've got specific details right. When it's done I'm planning to enlist a kindly Brit to help make sure everything is proper.

She just told me I have NO PLACE writing about a place I don't understand and there's NO WAY I can do it right. I asked if she would please reserve her judgment until she has read even A SINGLE DAMN PAGE OF THE THING. But she refused. She already knows I can't do it.

And then she told me that I've had no life experience, and no tragedies ever in my life ever, so I couldn't write about things that have happened to me metaphorically, so I had nothing of substance to write about. So since I have no experience I can't possibly write anything properly. (We've both had really old family members die, and friends die too young in various awful circumstances. She witnessed some domestic violence when she was a kid, and I did not. But I don't think you need to collect the Has An Abusive Father badge in order to become a decent writer. Last I checked. That's about it collectively for us on the tragedy side of things.)

That was pretty much a killing blow to me. She doesn't know cause she HASN'T READ IT that yes, it's all based on people I know and stuff I've experienced, so much so that writing it so far has left me feeling quite raw about various real life people and events. It's changed for the purposes of being an interesting book, but she knows me well enough to recognize what it's really about.

I'm totally dejected. It makes me sort of feel like I should give up. But then I'm pissed and I don't want to. I've wanted to be a writer for ages, and I only recently got the hang of putting stories down on paper. I want to keep at it until I succeed, and I think it can happen. But it's sucky to think that I will have to do it all by myself in the moments I can steal away from my partner. How hard is it to be supportive, or even just pretend to be supportive, dammit? Even if the book sucks and goes to live in my desk drawer, I'm still trying to make it good and filling it up with my own blood and guts. Isn't that worth at least not being totally disparaged?


I try to be the good person and think about why she's saying this. I know she wants to write (plays) and I tried to encourage her but then she said she didn't want to do it right now, and I thought maybe it was a fear of failing, which is really common in us wannabe writers I know. So maybe I wanna say it's jealousy on her part, but normally she's not afraid of anything so maybe I am full of crap. I have various other hypotheses in which she doesn't come out as the bad guy but as I am having a proper open-heart bitch session I won't dwell on them.

Anyways, I could really use a hug or possibly a hearty slap. Whichever you think is best. I'm freaking crying over freaking stupid crap she said to me. I think I should call her mom and tattle that she's trying to crush my delicate dreams with mean bitchery.
 

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:Hug2: Kitty. I'm really sorry you had that fight. I wish I could offer some insight as to why she might have said these things to you, but it would be unsubstantiated b.s., so I'll just offer hugs and sympathy, and my firm belief that YES, you can write about this, and YES you do have plenty of experiences to draw from. Not to mention empathy, imagination, and no doubt, plenty of skill to boot.
 

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I know this is probably what you don't want to hear, but someone that makes you feel like that probably isn't someone you want to spend your life with, or even live with. I have pretty strong views about this sort of thing, though, so I'll leave it at that.
 

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I know this is probably what you don't want to hear, but someone that makes you feel like that probably isn't someone you want to spend your life with, or even live with. I have pretty strong views about this sort of thing, though, so I'll leave it at that.

You know, in general I get where you're coming from, but this was totally atypical as far as our relationship goes. We're really big on planning for the future, and having dreams and making sure that our dreams are compatible and we can work together and stuff. We are in general really supportive of each other and our goals. If I was getting this sort of thing regularly, I wouldn't have stuck around for five years.
 

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Kitty Pryde! I snuggle you virtually. This smacks of jealousy to me... and what she said was quite mean spirited and I wouldn't blame you if you put a pillow over her face in her sleep. But that's just me. - Ok, I am in no way advocating violence against your partner or the vile murder of anyone...

anyway

Write your story, and tell her to fuck off. Sorry. But really! This is your story, and she has no business passing any kind of judgement on your intellectual properteh! You can do whatever you want. It's a fantasy fairy story, right? (so of course, I lurve you!) and I'm sorry - but we in the US are so frickin' anglocentric it's insane. We love them and their ways, and we know lots about them thru osmosis (beautiful creatures, the Britons!)

If I were you, I wouldn't say a word. Not another word. If she says anything, you pull out something about "Well, some of us can write, some of us just say we are gonna write... and never do. There's a difference between someone like me... and those other people." And continue on.

You rock on, Kitty Pryde. Rock. on.
 

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Well.

If we must posit the notion that to write a character believably we must have walked their path, then I can only imagine what crimes the majority of forum-goers here must be guilty of. Seriously, a solid villain is probably culpable for some serious shit, or at least believes their serious shit to have a noble purpose.

Quite honestly, when I must deal with serious shit, it just means no one goes near the restroom for about an hour, and yet I can write a villain that you'll buy and sharpen a special knife for, just in case you meet them in a dark alley one knight.

...

Okay so that metaphor got away from me.

Anyway, Kitty, I'm sorry to hear about that argument. Sure, you need some life experience to write on a particular topic, but you don't have to have walked that mile to write on the topic. At least, not the entire mile.
 

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Well, I didn't read your whole rant, but she sounds like someone who's heard the old adage to "Write what you know" and has taken it to heart. I've heard a few best-selling writers take issue with this ditty when it's taken at face value. There is a germ of truth in this advice, like there is to "show, don't tell", but it can also be misunderstood and restrictive. I wrote a short story a few years ago about a bunch of crazy guys taking a trip to Del Rio, Texas to get into what is basically a bar fight. I looked up some information, and talked to a friend who was familiar with the area, but I've never been to Del Rio, Texas in my life. I don't think anyone in Del Rio would know that just by reading my story.

If it helps you to feel better, you gave me a pretty accurate and critical review of one of my children's stories in SYW as I recall.
 
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Why not post the part you've finished in SYW. Ask for comments by Brits, especially. Take on board what is said. Then finish your story, polish it, AND WIN A PRIZE WITH IT. Especially in an English writing competition.

Don't get mad. Get even!
 

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She just told me I have NO PLACE writing about a place I don't understand and there's NO WAY I can do it right. I asked if she would please reserve her judgment until she has read even A SINGLE DAMN PAGE OF THE THING. But she refused. She already knows I can't do it.

So where does she draw the line? You can't write about a place you don't know. Okay, so can you write about people that are different? People from different walks of life? At what point are you allowed to write about what you don't know? I mean, two of my last books took place in my hometown, but were each from the POV of gay men. Is that somehow okay because I'm familiar with the place?

Basically, it sounds like she's saying you have no business telling any story besides your own (as in, your autobio), which is utter horseshit. If you can write about people other than yourself, then you can - and should! - write about places beyond your own front door.

Say you wanted to write a story that took place in Okinawa, where I live. Would you have a more challenging time with it than me, since I'm here in the middle of it? Sure. Would it be impossible? Absolutely not. Do you have any business even attempting it? ABSOLUTELY.

Sorry you're not getting the support you need on this. There are numerous posters here on AW who live in the UK, so I'd post in the Interviews/Experts forum and see if they can help you out. Good luck.
 
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Hi Kitty,

I live in the UK near London and you can pick my brains for info any time you like.

If we had to write only about things we've experienced or places we had been to then, the bookshelves would look pretty empty I'm sure. As a budding Sci-fi writer this would be quite near impossible anyway.
 

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:Hug2: Aww, I'm so sorry. Don't worry about it so much - she'll come around pretty soon. It's always worst just after an argument, but when you cool down, you can discuss it properly and come to an understanding.

I've lived in the UK my entire life, so if you've ever got any questions, feel free to throw them my way.
 

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At a writer's conference, James Rollins admitted that he had never been to the Amazon to do research for his book Amazonia. He did his research all through books. James Rollins is a best-selling writer, so not having personally seen the place is not an instant qualification for failure.

The reality is that not everyone can afford to travel extensively and stay in a location long enough to know it well enough to write it like someone who lives there.
 

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She just told me I have NO PLACE writing about a place I don't understand and there's NO WAY I can do it right. I asked if she would please reserve her judgment until she has read even A SINGLE DAMN PAGE OF THE THING. But she refused. She already knows I can't do it.

And then she told me that I've had no life experience, and no tragedies ever in my life ever, so I couldn't write about things that have happened to me metaphorically, so I had nothing of substance to write about. So since I have no experience I can't possibly write anything properly. (We've both had really old family members die, and friends die too young in various awful circumstances. She witnessed some domestic violence when she was a kid, and I did not. But I don't think you need to collect the Has An Abusive Father badge in order to become a decent writer. Last I checked. That's about it collectively for us on the tragedy side of things.)


This part of your post stood out the most for me. It's extremely sad that a partner would say these things to another partner. This is so unsupportive that it borders on tragic. I know you say later in the thread that this is atypical of your relationship...but it's staggering that she could say these things to you. Sorry you had the argument. Write what you know is not exactly as literal as your partner is making it out to be. You don't have to step in a place or situation to write about it well. People here will answer any questions you have to help with authenticating any situation or place...I'm sure of that. Sorry you were dealt this temporary blow...just get back up and keep going.
 

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I'm agreeing a lot with what other people have written here about what you've had said to you being unsupportive, out-of-order etc.. But I want to point out that this could be a sublimated attack. Perhaps your partner feels like too much time and effort is being put into the writing, and wants you to pay more attention away from it.

Obviously no way of telling from where we all are at the other side of the forum, but the attack seems harsh and out-of-character, so maybe there's other reasons behind the outburst than what was said. Bottled resentment comes out in odd ways.

Hope it all blows over for you.
gdm.
 

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Hugs to you Kitty and I wish that you had a more understanding and supportive partner. Carry on writing though kiddo. :Hug2:

I guess I'm pretty lucky, my husband has never read a book in his life, only car manuals, he loves fixing cars, but he never has a bad word to say about my writing. In fact, last year, we were sitting outside of Fleet services and I told him the outline of my then new project, which is in final editing at the moment. He turned and said, "It sounds good, this time next year you'll be a millionaire.'" We both know it's not true, but it was really sweet of him to say something like that because he knows how important my writing is to me.
 

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I write from a male POV in all of my books. I am not now, nor have I ever beeen, a man.

I've written a pregnant teenager. Never did that.

I've written a mother whose only child died when he was 4 years old. Thankfully I have not experienced THAT.

I wrote about a runaway surrogate mom who kidnapped the baby in-utero. Never did that.

I wrote a heroine who was a mechanic. I am SO NOT mechanically inclined. Not in the least. I'm lucky I know a flathead screwdriver from a Phillips.

I also wrote a hero who was an artist. I draw stick people.

Ignore your partner's hissy fit and just carry on. You most certainly CAN write stuff you've never experienced, places you've never been to in person, and you don't need the Abusive Father card, either. (I don't have that card, either.)

Good luck with your writing! Now get back to it!

Susan G.
 

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I'm agreeing a lot with what other people have written here about what you've had said to you being unsupportive, out-of-order etc.. But I want to point out that this could be a sublimated attack. Perhaps your partner feels like too much time and effort is being put into the writing, and wants you to pay more attention away from it.

Obviously no way of telling from where we all are at the other side of the forum, but the attack seems harsh and out-of-character, so maybe there's other reasons behind the outburst than what was said. Bottled resentment comes out in odd ways.

Hope it all blows over for you.
gdm.


this is a good point. if she's harshing your mellow like this, it may be misdirected resentment. what she's saying may not be as important than the fact that she's saying something.
 

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Hi Kitty,

I twenty-fifth what everyone's said here. I'm and American in Manchester, UK, so if you need any help from an expat's perspective, PM me! Also, most of the police in the reflective vests that I have seen are the Transport Police. They even have their own website if you Google that.

Oh, and I've only been to Wales once in my life for a couple of days (although I plan to remedy that soon), but part of my story is set there. I've done a lot of outside research. Not only is it possible to write outside what you have done or where you've travelled/lived, it's absolutely necessary, IMO. If authors only wrote about themselves, only ever based characters on themselves and people they knew, and based all their locations on places they've been, I think we'd have some really boring reads out there (not all of them, but a lot). :) Chin up! Keep writing!
 
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What you were forced to hear is, as KTC has already said, so staggeringly unsupportive as to be cruel. I can't imagine hearing such things from a 'loved one'.

Rant away. We all know that 'write what you know' does NOT mean 'write only what you have directly experienced'.

Only you know whether or not this is typical of your relationship and you've said it isn't, so we'll take you at your word.

I really don't know what to say to make it better apart from :Hug2:.

And pick the brains of any UK-based AWers. (I live in Scotland, so not England but still the UK).
 

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Bleh. I wasn't gonna post cause I'm so gonna put myself down in this but hey..greater cause and all. Lemme give a touch of a story.

I grew up with horses forever, they were the reason I breathed and woke up yadda yadda. This changed suddenly in my mid twenties and I was no longer the horse girl. I made a wonderful, amazing friend on the net and met her. She has horses, she lives in the country, she is everything I used to be and everything I wanna be again. (Material/critter wise...the rest she can keep lol) Every freaking time the horses come up, this rotten little green monster tries to shoot lasers from behind my eyes. A part of me resents her for having that connection that was mine for so long and I have no claim to now.

Now, like I said..bad bad me. I know this and I struggle with it constantly. I am also very anti romantic relationship of any kind. So while I want to tell you that she is being bratty and hurtful and you should toss her on her tush and wipe your hands, my conscience says there may be a root to this problem that is hard for even her to acknowledge. We don't want to think such things of ourselves. Jealousy? Me? That is such an alien experience and so disgusting, I certainly did not want to see it.

Maybe she thinks of England as her lost horse and she's watching you ride from afar.

Is there a chance you might be able to ask her expertise? Ask her about the small things she remembers and let her experience be valued? Maybe not today, be mad and hurt today..you certainly deserve that! In the long run though, maybe there is a way to look at it from the other view :)

Sorry! I honestly agree with the other voices here. Not really sure why I feel inclined to advocate the flip side.
 

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You need to take a closer look at why she said those things to you. What made her feel the need to belittle your writing efforts? It might be professional jealousy, insecurity, loneliness, she might resent the time you spend writing, she might have had a bad day. Who knows, but there's probably an underlying reason for her behaviour and it has nothing to do with your writing ability.

If you've experienced emotions, met people, been places, observed things, you know enough to write a story. Being able to write and plot well trumps direct experience any day.
 

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At a writer's conference, James Rollins admitted that he had never been to the Amazon to do research for his book Amazonia. He did his research all through books. James Rollins is a best-selling writer, so not having personally seen the place is not an instant qualification for failure.

but that trick is much easier to pull off if your intended audience aren't the people you're writing about (do we know how many units this guy shifted in the Amazon basin?)

leaving aside the personal issues in the original post, I would say that American writers have to be particularly careful in how they represent Brits if they want to maintain any kind of credibility with us.
There are few things more dismal than the stock British character as represented in mainstream American culture.

There seems to be this ridiculous notion that the streets of England are populated by Stephen Fry types, always ready with some irreverant witticism or upper class postulating.

The streets of England are actually filled by pregnant teenagers wearing tracksuits and baseball caps, drinking cider and grunting through some unintelligible gutterspeak.

Outside of about 3 post codes in west London, anyone openly talking like Stephen Fry is likely to get stabbed.
 

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Kitty, there could be numerous reasons that would cause your partner to react in such an uncharacteristically mean way. I can't begin to guess at them from your post, but I'm certain that you can work it out by talking with her about the issue. It could be jealousy, frustration, or maybe she was just having a bad day. We all have said things that we regret to our loved ones, and hopefully, you can move on with her and get over it.

As for writing about locations you are not familiar with, I do have an opinion about it that might contrast what several others have said. I think that often authors do fail to capture that intangible essence of a place, even if they've done extensive research. For example, the Irish crime author John Connolly set a part of his "Every Dead Thing" in New York City. He featured the City fairly prominently, and it was a significant literary backdrop for the events of the story. I could tell that he did his research, but, as somebody who grew up here, I could tell that he was not a native. He would name restaurants and cafes, for example, that are absolute obvious tourist-traps. If he were a native, he would be able to capture the spirit without such obvious references to locations that have wikipedia articles written about them. Now, there, it was a problem, because he made the decision to use the City so prominently in his book. It sounds like in your work, England is just a setting, not a character, and there, adequate research and fact-checking would likely suffice.

Also, would like to point out that, I think, it is very challenging to truly capture the intangible qualities that make a city come to life. Even wonderful authors who have spent a lifetime in the location they are writing about can fail. My favorite example of it being done right, is Jeffrey Eugenides' "Middlesex."

But, I digress - the point is, don't despair, talk to your partner, ask for her advice and help, and everything will work out alright.
 
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