Horror - are we all just wasting our time?

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I'm curious to get your thoughts on the health of the horror genre as a whole. I know it seems to be experiencing a resurgence in the movie theatres, but has that really translated over to the literary side of things? I often think that horror is still a tough sell and wonder if I should just move on to another genre. The only trouble is, 99.9% of the stories that come to me are of the darker variety. I don't know. I just find the whole thing frustrating. Self doubt is the bane of a writer's existence. It just seems that it's even worse for horror writers. Not only do you doubt your own abilities, but also the viability of the very genre you love and choose to write in.

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Zazz,

Welcome to AW first and foremost.

Secondly, I don't believe that the horror genre is dead. Human nature has a tendency to pull towards the darker side of things. And frankly I love being one of the conductors for it.

I understand your doubt, because I have always been a darker type personality. Look normal, act normal, but my brain is far from what the 'normal' person's is. And I'm proud of it.

We all love reading the dark horror stories, so I say as long as someone is willing to write it, there will be someone willing to read it. You have a story to be told. Someone out there wants to hear, no matter what genre it is. And I know a bunch of hounds that will feel the same way.

Feel free to pop over into the Share Your Work portion of the site. It helped me out a lot when I first joined up. You are not alone my friend. :)
 

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I guess I'm wondering if it's just the way the marketing machine of the biz packages horror. There's the slick commercial stuff, then there's the more literary horror. But neither seem to get the respect they deserve on their own merits. I hate to admit it (and I hope I don't get flamed for this admission), but I've always been mildly uncomfortable (perhaps a little embarrassed?) when people find out I write, then ask me about my work. I always tend to sound almost apologetic for writing horror. I know. It's terrible and I hate myself for it, but there you are. Am I alone on this. God, I hope not...:e2shrug:
 

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At first, yes, when I realized the stuff I wrote was horror, I was a little embarrassed. Now, nope, I just give a sweet smile when asked what I write and drop the h-bomb. Just because I write tales of the darker variety does not mean I'm not a good writer. :)
 

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Well, first off, no flogging with occur, a nice meaty bbq will come for you, but that's once you start to get settled in so no worries.

And I have found, that there are people who yes, look down on it... but it's there loss really. Once you start spending time with people who think like you more and realize that you aren't alone, you'll start to feel more comfortable with yourself. Come over to the Hounding after hours-- the Bbq won't hurt...much :) And see that there are people who revel in the darker side of things. And that it is okay...

Forgive me, I ramble :)

As for the market, whether it be literary horror or mainstream they still have audiences, or it wouldn't be there... one may be more cult-like but those are the best kind they are the die hard ones... And I think that's all I have to say right now. But i'm sure I'll find something else very soon.

Oh... (hee hee) Jcomp posted a thread a while back I'll see I can find it for you... it's pretty much the asking the same questions you are...
 

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I guess it doesn't help that I recently read a somewhat snotty article from a published horror writer slagging his own genre (at least I feel he was slagging it). I think he figures his stuff is of the more literary bent, and most other stuff is crap. In the end I realized he's just another insecure writer, but some of what he wrote has stuck with me (damn him).
 

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Here's another thread, to help ease your mind a bit. Don't worry about what one writer said out of a whole lotta other ones... remember it's only his opinion. If he's putting down the genre there are two things wrong with it, one he was having a bad day :D or two... he does just think he's better than everyone else's and where does that get anyone?
 

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Hey Zazz, welcome to AW.

In answer to your first question - no we're not wasting our time. There's been a horror genre of one name or another since the first ghost story was whispered around a campfire, since the first stories of the boogey man were voiced by candle light. And there will always be this aspect of human nature that craves a good scare, a reason to look under the bed and check the closet before we get into bed at night. The only thing that changes is what people call it - is it horror? is it dark suspense, dark fantasy, a thriller? It's like skirt hemlines - it may never be the same from one year to the next, but there will always be a hemline.

In regards to your second point, embarassent about writing horror - I'm not embarassed. Most people don't know I write, though I lug my laptop with me everywhere I go and if I have more than a half-hour wait I'll pull up a story and work on it. A few people have asked what I'm doing and have gone on to ask what I write - I get all kinds of reactions when I tell them I write horror. A friend I've had since grade school said "I always knew there was something dark about you" and the fellow kindergarten mom who asked said "Really!" like 5 times when I told her. I guess I surprised her (my kids go to Catholic school). :Shrug:

Come on by the Horror Hounds threads (Hounding after hours and Horror hounds weekend report). :D
 

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Well, if anything makes me more uncomfortable than the "what do you write?" question, it's when someone is genuinely interested in my stuff and asks me what a particular story or novel is about. There is something exquisitely painful about having to boil down an entire story to a brief, spoken synopsis. It doesn't matter what the story is (horror or not), but I always feel incredibly stupid doing it. Stories are meant to be read, not summarized. This is why I also hate writing synopses. Blech.
 

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Ah... see but that is part of the process Zazz... it's all about sweat and tears to produce something wonderful That includes the synopsis and the query. It will get easier. Trust me.
 

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In a word, No, you're not wasting your time.

First of all, writing is a creative outlet for those of us who perform it. In a sense, we can be likened to actors on a stage only the stage is our mind and the actors are our conscious and subconscious minds. The metaphor can also be likened to a director directing a stage play as well as that of the producer (actually, the producer might be better likened to the publisher, the director the agent and editors, but I'm getting away from the point), but in reality, we're more like the actors themselves. We see the stories in our imagination and we play them out in our minds. We invent the situations, set the stage, choreograph the moves, write the play, build the props, set the lighting, and raise the curtain. We are the whole kit-and-kaboodle of the acting genre right down to the folks who make and fetch the coffee and donuts. We write the stuff that others make work. Those others are our audience and we owe it to our audience to work at mastering our craft, hone our performances, and set the stage properly for the scenes they're about to witness.

That's the writer's job.

A writer never wastes their time writing. Never. Every minute spent writing is a minute spent creating something that, even if no one else ever reads it, helps us to define our own lives, our own purpose in the greater scheme of things. If someone else does happen to read it, we have provided a valuable service by entertaining that person, boring them to tears, or pissing them off. Ultimately, we've made that person feel something - and by the simple act of making ourselves and them feel, we have done something that is good.

The horror genre may be experiencing some doldrums these days, but horror has gone through doldrums before and it's always come back roaring out of the darkness to scare the audience with something new and frightening. It's good because people, for some strange reason, always like to be scared. From the times when we sat around a fire listening to the creatures scream and prowl outside the cave we've been entertained and frightened by stories. The fear of the unknown and that little screaming reptile in the backs of our minds is still there, buried inside us, waiting for something to leap in the cave's mouth and drag one of us off screaming into the darkness.

We love it. We have to have it. It's like a drug.

There's a metaphor there too that it would pay us to take heed of. Horror and fright is like a drug. If there's too much of one kind of horror or fright that's inundating our senses we quickly become used to it. It doesn't give us the same sort of high any more. We're currently inundated with frightening scenes in our real world - economic collapse, terrorism, the fear of losing our jobs, murder, rape, violence rising seemingly all around us. So, the horror that used to scare us doesn't seem so frightening anymore. We need more, more powerful, different types of scares.

That's part of our job as horror writers too, to come up with new ways of telling tales that frighten people, that touch them and put them in touch with their emotions, to create that emotional reaction in our readers, our audience, and in ourselves.

That does not mean going with the flow. Going with the flow is part of what's wrong with today's horror. There are too many people trying to write like King, or Keene, or Lumley, or Lovecraft. There are too many stories like Saw, I Know What You Did, Friday The 13th, etc., etc., ad nauseum. It's gotten old. It's not even that scary anymore. People have complained that vampires aren't scary anymore, that zombies are old hat, that crazed psychopathic axe-wielders are things of the past.

So, as a horror writer, it's part of our job to come up with new variations on old themes.

They say that every story that can be told has been told, but people still keep buying books, still keep flocking to see movies, so there must be something in all those old, often-told stories that keeps people coming back to them to read and re-read, to buy tickets, and to sit in those chairs and watch as the curtain goes up.

You never waste your time writing. You might waste someone else's time reading what you wrote, but that's their decision, not yours.

You, and that means every writer out there, has the opportunity and the ability to redefine an entire genre.

All you have to do is figure out how and then commit to doing it.
 

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In a word, No, you're not wasting your time.

First of all, writing is a creative outlet for those of us who perform it. In a sense, we can be likened to actors on a stage only the stage is our mind and the actors are our conscious and subconscious minds. The metaphor can also be likened to a director directing a stage play as well as that of the producer (actually, the producer might be better likened to the publisher, the director the agent and editors, but I'm getting away from the point), but in reality, we're more like the actors themselves. We see the stories in our imagination and we play them out in our minds. We invent the situations, set the stage, choreograph the moves, write the play, build the props, set the lighting, and raise the curtain. We are the whole kit-and-kaboodle of the acting genre right down to the folks who make and fetch the coffee and donuts. We write the stuff that others make work. Those others are our audience and we owe it to our audience to work at mastering our craft, hone our performances, and set the stage properly for the scenes they're about to witness.

That's the writer's job.

A writer never wastes their time writing. Never. Every minute spent writing is a minute spent creating something that, even if no one else ever reads it, helps us to define our own lives, our own purpose in the greater scheme of things. If someone else does happen to read it, we have provided a valuable service by entertaining that person, boring them to tears, or pissing them off. Ultimately, we've made that person feel something - and by the simple act of making ourselves and them feel, we have done something that is good.

The horror genre may be experiencing some doldrums these days, but horror has gone through doldrums before and it's always come back roaring out of the darkness to scare the audience with something new and frightening. It's good because people, for some strange reason, always like to be scared. From the times when we sat around a fire listening to the creatures scream and prowl outside the cave we've been entertained and frightened by stories. The fear of the unknown and that little screaming reptile in the backs of our minds is still there, buried inside us, waiting for something to leap in the cave's mouth and drag one of us off screaming into the darkness.

We love it. We have to have it. It's like a drug.

There's a metaphor there too that it would pay us to take heed of. Horror and fright is like a drug. If there's too much of one kind of horror or fright that's inundating our senses we quickly become used to it. It doesn't give us the same sort of high any more. We're currently inundated with frightening scenes in our real world - economic collapse, terrorism, the fear of losing our jobs, murder, rape, violence rising seemingly all around us. So, the horror that used to scare us doesn't seem so frightening anymore. We need more, more powerful, different types of scares.

That's part of our job as horror writers too, to come up with new ways of telling tales that frighten people, that touch them and put them in touch with their emotions, to create that emotional reaction in our readers, our audience, and in ourselves.

That does not mean going with the flow. Going with the flow is part of what's wrong with today's horror. There are too many people trying to write like King, or Keene, or Lumley, or Lovecraft. There are too many stories like Saw, I Know What You Did, Friday The 13th, etc., etc., ad nauseum. It's gotten old. It's not even that scary anymore. People have complained that vampires aren't scary anymore, that zombies are old hat, that crazed psychopathic axe-wielders are things of the past.

So, as a horror writer, it's part of our job to come up with new variations on old themes.

They say that every story that can be told has been told, but people still keep buying books, still keep flocking to see movies, so there must be something in all those old, often-told stories that keeps people coming back to them to read and re-read, to buy tickets, and to sit in those chairs and watch as the curtain goes up.

You never waste your time writing. You might waste someone else's time reading what you wrote, but that's their decision, not yours.

You, and that means every writer out there, has the opportunity and the ability to redefine an entire genre.

All you have to do is figure out how and then commit to doing it.

Well said. Bravo!
 

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I'm curious to get your thoughts on the health of the horror genre as a whole. I know it seems to be experiencing a resurgence in the movie theatres, but has that really translated over to the literary side of things? I often think that horror is still a tough sell and wonder if I should just move on to another genre. The only trouble is, 99.9% of the stories that come to me are of the darker variety. I don't know. I just find the whole thing frustrating. Self doubt is the bane of a writer's existence. It just seems that it's even worse for horror writers. Not only do you doubt your own abilities, but also the viability of the very genre you love and choose to write in.

Thoughts?
You're not wasting your time. I've sold a few darker stories this year to lit mags. Go to Duotrope.com or ralan.com for places to submit your work to.
 

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HorrorWriter, No, thank you. If my simple words provide someone with motivation then I've done my good deed for the day or week or whatever.

If my simple words inspire someone to write a book that really does change an entire genre, then I'll take a mention in the Acknowledgements, thanks.
 

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I retract my previous statement because EFCollins' animal magnetism that makes it impossible for me to say no.

Is EFCollins writing? Yes? The OP has his answer on the continued viability of the horror genre.
 
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I've been asked a few times what I write.

I always say "words." with a sweet, sweet smile.

Then I tell them they are mostly scary words. I even let a girl read a little something one time... and she never talked to me again. I guess I scared her.

That being said, generally, most people know I write, and what I write. I have no problem saying that I write horror. Why would I? If I can manage a damn good story, one that touches my readers in the places they won't even let their spouses know exist, then I know I'm doing my job.

Among human beings, there are millions that ride a roller coaster over and over again. Why? For the thrill. Rock climbing, bungee jumping, parachuting... thrill seekers will, if they enjoy reading, almost always choose a horror/thriller over a romance or a mystery. Why? Because it comes hard and fast and leaves you breathless. Who wouldn't be, not only happy, but damn proud to do that to a complete stranger, just by the power of their mind? By their words? Who wouldn't love to do what a horror writer does? I love it. Every single minute of it.

Is there shame in being a horror writer? I don't think so. I've had people say to me that "the only reason people write horror is because they can't manage any better." And you know what they said when I asked if HE could write a horror story, a good one... one that kept me up that night? You know what he said? "I can't be bothered with that now. I have to write my thesis." Exact quote. Funny that he'd shown me his complete thesis two weeks before.

Now, know why he couldn't be bothered? Because he just couldn't do it. Not too many people could handle the mind of a horror writer. Especially in those times when the mind takes off, doing the most god awful, horrible, terrible things to someone who just happens to be shopping in the cereal isle too. I relish it. I love writing what I write because I know for a fact that I've got something those others--the ones who frown on horror like a booger on their finger-- don't. And you know what else? They'd die to have it.

The thing about it is, most of us are normal people. Just the girl pushing her grocery cart the opposite way down the cereal isle. What's sad is that she could be shamed just because of what she does, writing wise. It's sad for there to be shame in a genre, of all things. It's sad and it's silly.

/rant

Sorry didn't mean to go on and on... hell, you could read my blog and know most of this stuff. I feel very strongly that horror is like a diamond roughin' it. It's under-appreciated, underestimated. As for if it's dying? Wasting our time? Writing horror stories will never be a waste of MY time. As long as people read it, it's not a waste of theirs either. Plenty of people read horror... it's not like anyone still hides their gothic novels under the bed because someone might find out they read "that trash". It's not like that anymore.

The problem is, our society is very desensitized. Face it, the news is scarier to watch more often than a horror story is. How many people have seen ghosts? Think about it. To them, ghosts are fanciful... those things in stories. Horror just has to evolve to keep up.
 

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Well said Effer!
 
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