So...is this possible?

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I'd like to write some learning/how-to books for programming i.e Java
but since I have no work credentials in the area, would publishers always turn it down?

I have the idea of a From Student to Student~ approach, because alot of computer books are crap and full of jargon and other useless things, or full of history with little pratical advice, or very out-of-date.

I figured the books would be useful for people who want to learn and struggle to find material they understand that is explained well, but is it possible to get a non-fiction educational book published if you don't have work credentials/industry expertise with the subject?
 

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Nothing's impossible, but this is pretty close.

Editors are not experts of all nonfiction subjects. Given a manuscript they are interested in, they may run it past someone who has knowledge in the subject. Few manuscripts are fully vetted by publishers. They basically relying on the credentials of the writer or someone else who's openly connected with the work (e.g., co-author, consultant).

If at all possible I suggest that you find such a person, make whatever arrangements are appropriate, and obtain the right to use his or her name, title (if appropriate), position, credentials relevant to the subject, and knowledge, in some manner. Use all this stuff in your query letter, proposal, etc.
 

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Do you have *any* experience with the subject? What qualifies you to write about it? If you can answer those questions, use them as your credentials.

You should be able to sell this with a proposal (rather than writing the whole book), assuming publishers feel it's marketable and your credentials look OK. So find publishers who publish this sort of book, write proposals to their specs and see if anyone's interested.
 

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I can share my experience. I am a very experienced user of Adobe's Flash program. I have specialized experience that is useful for a large segment of non-expert Flash users. So I put together a dynamite book proposal that teaches Flash to people who are forced to use it as part of their arsenal but don't want to wade through 600-page texts full of irrelevant (to them) technical information. It was targeted at ad agency designers, web designers, film makers, etc., and designed to be useful for teachers to teach basic animation skills in high school and college art classes. Sort of sounds like your java book idea.

I sent it directly to computer book publishers. By the way, computer books is one market where an agent is 100 percent unnecessary; every publisher responded to me personally and in detail, no boilerplate rejections. It is also a market where timing is crucial. The sales window for any book is the few months after a new version of the program is released, and they sign up all the next texts around 9-12 months before that. So you need to actually be a beta tester learning the program behind-the-scenes and writing the book at the same time, in order that the book is ready for release at the same time as the program. That was one of my weaknesses; at the time I didn't have that insider access (now I'm a beta tester, so I'm considering a fresh round of proposals).

The other weakness, spelled out loud and clear by every publisher, was that they already have a list of authors they like to work with. That isn't to say they aren't looking for fresh authors, but in that case they really demand PLATFORM. I know two guys who wrote Flash texts around the same time I proposed mine. Both of them are well-known in the Flash community because they have well-read blogs and they speak at all the main Flash, computer and animation conferences. I have terrific credentials, but no visibility, since I've never spoken at those conferences. And even a speaking gig at one of those is near-impossible. I discovered that if you're not already a "star" in the community, then you can pay to speak at the conferences, or find sponsorship from a relevant company. Yes, a large number of the speakers at computer conferences apparently paid for the privilege of being there. They know how their bread is buttered. Everyone wants the platform in order to further their careers.

Finally, the final downfall of my proposal was that my market was too specialized. Sounds odd, if you look at what I said. I thought my market was people who weren't already buying expensive Flash books. But most computer texts are aimed at the widest possible market. With so many computer books selling for such short periods, the total numbers they sell to general users is pretty small actually. There are very few break-out bestsellers. So the idea of writing for a specialized segment of that small market doesn't work. One publisher even shared with me her sales figures for previous attempts at selling books to specialized segments of the Flash user market.

Every publisher praised my proposal as one of the best, most thorough and well-written proposals they'd ever seen. But in the end I was turned down by all.

Sorry I can't be encouraging. By all means, write a proposal and send it around. But be aware of the realities of this specialized corner of the book market.
 
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It would be a great idea, as I am actually going back to school to study this stuff. The problem with this subject matter is that what is cutting-edge as you write it can almost be outdated by the time the book hits the shelves. At least that is how it appears to an outsider sneaking in the back door...

Perhaps one of the selling points of this piece would be if you could find a way to cover the subject in a way that won't feel too dated after too long. Or someway to update the book, because there will always be beginners.
 
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