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I'm kicking around an idea for a contemporary western romance and need to ask a few questions about topography before I pick the exact location. I'm thinking about North Central but it's not set in stone. I don't want to get nearly finished and find out that the place I've spent pages describing as rolling and lush is flat and brushy. :D Or that no one in their right mind would raise Angus cattle there because they'd never survive.

Also, I'm fairly sure there's going to be a big fancy "Cattleman's Ball" in here somewhere and I would like to get a better idea of what one is like. I'm picturing a fancy dress occasion that has a BBQ, charity auction and dance. Or, some combination thereof.

Don't get me wrong, we have BBQ's in Kansas, but I've heard that a Texas style BBQ can be quite a bit fancier. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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We just had such an event here in the Tyler, TX area. They raised money for the American Cancer Society.

The area around here is lush and green, with lots of oak and pine trees, and many working ranches. I live next door to an 800 acre ranch that raises mixed breed beef cattle, and there's a Brahma ranch about a mile down the road. Not too far away is a large Angus ranch, so you wouldn't be wrong picking about any breed you want.

Here's a link to the happenings at the event:

http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/G...fr_informational&pg=informational&fr_id=18779
 

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Thanks Gary, just the kind of thing I had in mind. Now, for the big questions. Did they show up in Momma's Caddy/Lincoln or just jump in the ranch pickup and go? What do you wear to an event like this? Dressed up jeans/casual or pull out the stops and go for it?
 

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I guess I don't consider Tyler to be "central". Definitely north, though and it might be closer to what you're looking for in terms of "high-end". I'm in North Central! Just north of the geographic center of the state at the bare edge of the Hill County. :) The "high-end" stuff here is a little . . . well, lower brow. LOL!

Oh, and re: cows. Also add Red Brangus (Brahma/Angus cross, ruddy in color and HUGE!) or Charolais (meaty and mostly white) Charolais are really big in this part of the state.
 
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I was thinking about the Wichita Falls area originally. But I'm not committed yet.

My fondest hope is to find someone who wouldn't mind a question, once in a while, about generic, everyday stuff. Let's say I need a reason to get my female MC stranded out at the ranch. Would a summer flash flood be a reasonable excuse? Are there many canyons, rocks and cactus? How about people's yards? We have to mow all the time, would that be the case there?----Just an example of some of the things I was wondering about while thinking this idea over.

I wish I had the time to take a little trip and figure it out myself, but that won't be happening right now.
 
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Wichita Falls also not north central. Well, okay, if you mean MOSTLY north, and not mostly central. I'm thinking mostly central, and slightly north. WF is on the Oklahoma border. The trick with Texas is that there's a MASSIVE difference in both terrain and people mindset in various parts of the state.

Where I am is "downhome country" people. The biggest ranch owners in the area count land in sections (the "north 40" is the north 40 SECTIONS of land and has probably been in the family since Patent.) The biggest ranchers wear ball caps, not cowboy hats, and have "working" trucks, not Cadillac Escalades. "Dallas" we're not.

The closer you get to either the south (Austin, which is really hilly with pine trees, or San Antonio--which is VERY lush, like tropical rainforest lush) or the north (Dallas and Lubbock) the more "citified" people get. You might be okay with Wichita Falls, but don't call it "north central", because nobody in Texas will consider it such. That's "north" or "northeast".

Land holding "location" is also a big topic down here. ;)

Are there many canyons, rocks and cactus? How about people's yards?

All of the above, depending on where you are. Also the variety of cactus varies wildly. Here in central Texas is not only cattle country but GOAT country. You'll see nearly as many goat ranches as cattle, and here's why:

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Oh, and the biggest "status symbol" around here are the tall game fences to keep the deer in for hunting leases (TONS of hunting leases, which go for thousands of dollars a year). The cost of game fence is about $24 per linear FOOT. Calculate that around a section of land...
 
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Sure, we have a lot of people jealously guarding their hunting leases while my husband and I average about a deer hit apiece per year in our vehicles. I say build more fence!

I live on the edge of the Flinthills, the destination of a lot of those long-ago cattle drives. We have some big ranches, just not right here. I grew up on a crop/livestock farm and currently live on another. We have Angus-Herford cross cattle or "black-baldies" (cattleman's term) with a few horses just to prove we're not right bright. We had goats at one time, I will never own another. We even had pure-bred Berkshire hogs for a time.

I didn't mean to infer that the big ranchers all have Escalades. Around here, the BTOs (Big time operators in farming or ranching) have lots of vehicles, but the wife almost always has a Caddy, Lincoln or Surburban to drive to town.

I guess I'm fortunate to live in a rectangular shaped state. We just split it into thirds and tack a north or south on the "third" to indicate where we live. Maybe I was leaning towards Wichita Falls because I don't have to think twice about spelling Wichita. :)

I completely understand about the vast differences in terrain and people. That's why I am hoping to pick a brain or two and not offend each and every person from Texas that might one day read my little story and toss it out the window in disgust because I was so "off" in my description. I get a bit huffy myself when someone tells me how flat Kansas is. It isn't all flat, believe me. Just parts of it...well, maybe big chunks of it.
 

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You're a couple of weeks too late for me to link to the photos of the folks who attended the ball. The Tyler newspaper dedicated a full page to the event that included a bunch of photos. Everyone was dressed in their western finery. They even had several photos of the custom boots some of the people were wearing. Let's just say that some were flamboyant!

As far as transportation, they didn't show anything along that line, but Escalades, Hummers and all kinds of pickups would certainly be in the parking lot. Most cars would be big American brands...Lincolns...Caddys...Chryslers.

This part of the state doesn't have many canyons or rocks, but most of the state has cactus of some kind. We have prickly pear, but nothing very big. The larger cactus are found more to the south and west. We're only 90 miles from Louisiana, so we're more apt to run into a swamp than a cactus.

Most of the state is also subject to heavy rains, mostly in the spring, that cause flash floods. Usually, the flooding doesn't last very long and unless a bridge washes out, the roads are mostly passible soon after the rain stops.

The area around Wichita Falls is quite flat and not very pretty. I have a good friend who owns a small ranch about 20 miles out of WF, and his land is mostly scrub brush and mesquite. Creeks and rivers in the area are quite shallow and wide, whereas in areas where there are more hills, the streams are deeper and faster running. Running water of any kind along the Oklahoma border is very muddy because of the red clay. That silt fills the slower moving streams and rivers, which also helps make them wide and shallow.

I often see the cowboys working the neighboring ranch, and you'd think you had gone back a hundred years in time. No 4-wheelers or baseball caps. Rain, shine, heat or cold, it's hats, boots, spurs and chaps when they are with the cattle or riding a fence line, and I've seen them carrying a new calf across the pommel.

They have a couple of beat-up old Dodge trucks to haul feed from a big tank out to the feed troughs, or to go into town for supplies.

Most of our ranch houses and yards are nicely kept and the grass is mowed regularly. You'd probably see a bunch of crape myrtles and other flowering shrubs around the ranch house. Every ranch would have one or more man-made ponds, or "tanks" for watering the animals.

One thing we have in this part of the state is an abundance of wild hogs that can get nasty. One guy I talked to said a friend was treed by a sow with a litter. Something like that might figure into a story.
 

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Yeah, wild hogs are definitely a problem and that might well be the reason your heroine gets stranded! Fortunately, we don't have many in our county, but other counties are having HUGE problems with them. Feral hogs have UGLY tempers and I've heard of them beating the cr*p out of a car when a male gets territorial. Hit one on the road and you can easily flip a car (as the hogs run upward of 200 lbs.) She could be chased onto the property and if they mill around in a drift (the local term for a family) eating acorns or pecans or such (if you're setting it in the late fall, when most of the floods happen in the central area), she could EASILY be trapped until they either wander off, or a ranger comes and chases them away.

I actually used the hogs in my book MOON'S FURY. A group of shapeshifter raptors (eagles and owls) were preying on the town but nobody had noticed them earlier because they'd been feeding on feral hogs. Nobody thought to mention to the sheriff that there were hogs MISSING. They just cheered and breathed a sigh of relief for their property. LOL!
 

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Cool, I never thought about wild hogs. I've had enough tame ones chase me.

I didn't know I could move that fast until I had a 400 lb. sow on my tail. You learn very quickly to carry a stick (preferably of hedge, it's hard as a rock) and smack them on the nose when they get huffy.

I am going to abandon Wichita Falls as a possibility. I have never lived around an area quite like that and it would be too easy to insert an incorrect description of vegetation or introduce the wrong stocking rates for cattle. I will go with something I am more familiar with to keep down the screw-ups.

I will do some research on the Tyler area first and see how it feels. Thank you for your help.
 
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Here's your solution for what any area in the state looks like: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwater/land/maps/gis/map_downloads/

You're probably most interested in the 1984 Vegetation/Cover Types of Texas. Relief maps are easy to find elsewhere. Newer versions of the maps in the above link should also be easy to find via Google. For example, the 2000 version of Vegetation/Cover Types of Texas is available here.
 

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Thank you SPMiller. What a wealth of information. I have been digging around the Department of Ag site without finding what I wanted, this will be very helpful.
 

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Yes, I've driven through Wills Point many times. The terrain is a bit flatter and there are fewer native trees than a few miles East, but it's farm and ranch country. There are also fruit orchards and commercial tree farms in the area.
 

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I'm leaning towards the area, I like the small town feel. Several angus breeders listed in the area, an hour from Tyler and Canton isn't far away. Don't go away Gary, I will be picking your brain further. With your permission, of course. :)
 

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Glad to help out. BTW, if you haven't checked Google Earth yet, they have most of that area covered with their street level cameras. You can get a good feel of the area from their photos.
 

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That thing is scary. I'm glad I live so far off the beaten path they haven't found me yet.
 

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That thing is scary. I'm glad I live so far off the beaten path they haven't found me yet.


I live off the beaten path, but they found it anyway. Our county road is not even paved, only oiled, and they made it here last fall. They even managed to capture me driving into my driveway.
 

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I've been trying to figure out if it's mounted on a UPS or FedEx truck, since so many of the places aren't exactly where someone would wander around for the hell of it.

I know it isn't on USPS vehicles since I am a rural carrier. My thoughts are that it would have to be a delivery vehicle of some sort that was going there in the first place with a passive system in place. They couldn't afford to pay someone to drive around that much.

Plus, we have our UPS stuff delivered to my Dad's business in town and FedEx can't seem to find us.
 

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I've been trying to figure out if it's mounted on a UPS or FedEx truck, since so many of the places aren't exactly where someone would wander around for the hell of it.

I know it isn't on USPS vehicles since I am a rural carrier. My thoughts are that it would have to be a delivery vehicle of some sort that was going there in the first place with a passive system in place. They couldn't afford to pay someone to drive around that much.

Plus, we have our UPS stuff delivered to my Dad's business in town and FedEx can't seem to find us.

When I still live far out in a very rural area of the Missouri Ozarks, they still found me for Google earth even though neither UPS or FedEx could find me. When I lived there, I had all my packages delivered to my brother's in town.

I don't know how they do it but it's not the post office, UPS or Fed Ex.
 

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Sounds like UPS or Fed Ex should find those drivers!

I used Google Earth to do a virtual tour of Wills Point. I felt like I was seriously drunk by the time I finished. Kept trying to turn it sideways to check out what stores were in town and ended up looking at the ground, sky, wrong direction, you name it.

I am computer impaired, it seems.
 

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If it would help, I wouldn't mind taking some pictures in and around Wills Point. We like to go for drives on weekends and it's not that far, so it would be fun to help you get a feel for the town. Photos of the coffee shops, feed store, service station, etc. might give you some ideas. Don't know if it's in a dry county, so it might not have any honky tonks or bars, but I'm sure there are some within a short drive of the town.
 

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Gary, that would be great. I've already sent my characters to Terrell to Club 148, (I think that was it) but I would like to know if the county is dry. Pertains to the story. The barbeque required some lubrication after the old folk's and the preacher went home.

Since Terrell is only about 20 minutes away, I thought that would be reasonable.

120 pages and counting.
 
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