Slang in SFF

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So I was wondering if anyone could recommend me some good SFF books with slang in them? Also, "argot", "cant", etc. One or more of my current projects may involve this as a significant aspect, and also, as someone who enjoys playing with language in general, I like reading stories where the characters do it.

I think one example would be the Nadsat used by Burgess in A Clockwork Orange. A common generic example would be Thieve's Cant, as adapted to fantasy rp games.
 
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Rudy Rucker's Ware series (4 short books)--software, wetware, freeware, realware
 

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This has been one of my biggest challenges, coming up with slang for the 25th century. If I could predict what would be "hip," I wouldn't be so awful at pulling it off now!
 

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This has been one of my biggest challenges, coming up with slang for the 25th century. If I could predict what would be "hip," I wouldn't be so awful at pulling it off now!
Well, no one else knows, so you could probably just invent a few words and pull it off. There has been a few similar threads about invented profanity and such in SF/F:
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3534741
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54535
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69761

Perhaps a hint at the direction of things is the story I heard of some teen back in the '40's or '50's, questioned about his use of the word "cool" for the latest popular items and fads. He said "well, my father would always say something is "hot" and I would be unpopular if I talked the way HE talks, so when I think something is neatm I say it's "cool."

I've recently started seeing "shiny" as an adjective used for new "cool" and generally attractive things, even if they don't fit the original definition of shiny.

Now that I think if it I'm really surprised I've never heard anyone dis something by saying "Oh, that's just SO analog!" Maybe that's too technical, and people don't see that as in any relation to "digital."

Borrowing from Rudy Rucker (and of course Ray Kurzweil) there would be "Oh, that's just SO meatspace."
 

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Well, no one else knows, so you could probably just invent a few words and pull it off.

That's what I'm doing, it's just hard to make it sound believable and so you don't have to explain what it means to the reader.

I'm using "Nebular" for "cool."
"Massive" for "far-out" or "heavy."
"Drenard" (enemy race) for "dipsh#t" or "dumbass"

Nothing beats "Frak" from BSG, in my opinion.
 

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I invented a whole dialect, with slangy bits, for my Del Rey series. It's a mix of archaic slang (mostly Georgian and Victorian) with altered speech patterns, mostly. I can't speak as to how well an audience will take it, as the first book won't be out until November, but for me the trick was simply making sure everything else in the world was strong enough that the language fit and became another worldbuilding tool. Or at least attempting to do so. :) I think if the world is strong enough any slang will sound right.

And making sure the language fit the characters; educated characters don't use it, and the less educated they are the stronger/thicker the Downspeech is, so it's a character point as well. Someone only has to open their mouths and the reader as well as the MC knows something about them beyond any basic description or situation.

Like I said, that's just my take on it and what I tried to do. Hope it helps. :)
 

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Whatever slang you choose to use should fit the culture you're working with. Pick objects or concepts from the local future/alien context and work with them. The "shiny" example is a great instance of something really simple that can be used and made distinctive - so that might be an option as well.
 

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In The Clone Republic by Steven L. Kent, they use the word "speck" as a swear word, similar to how we use fuck. However, at somepoint it's revealed to be synonomous with bollocks. It worked out pretty well.

Frost is also a popular choice.
 
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I once watched a terrible d-list syfy movie(it could have been a tv show episode, actually? doesn't really matter) where they said "frozen" instead of "hot" or "cool". For me, it was terribly obnoxious. I would grind my teeth whenever it was used. So, one major reason for this thread is that I don't want the slang to end up like that.


Also, the stories involved do not take place in our universe. So there's the usual problem of the "translation" convention, where the story has to be in english because that is the audience, but they aren't really speaking english. So a lot of slang words and puns and wordplay that would fly in an Earth-based setting aren't going to work here. Unless I were to use the method of "translating" each register into a specific Earth register--a practice that doesn't tend to work for me when I read a story--which would pretty much drain all the whimsy out of the different speech patterns, anyway.

I've run into this issue a lot with fan-subbed anime shows, where the jokes all work in Japanese, but not in English. Don Quixote, I believe, has a similar issue, as do most translated works. A common practice is to insert an English joke/pun as close to the original as possible, or to use a translator's/foot- note to explain. Not a big fan of footnotes in books, either.


I haven't really read any books that involve similar situations, so that's why I was hoping for some recommendations. JW's response is pretty much what I had in mind, but the connections between words in a language other than one's native tongue are just damned hard to get across. Even "Cockney" rhyming slang trips up most people who aren't used to it, so a slang based on an entirely different language is like Everest compared to rhyming slang's indoor climbing wall.
 
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