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Can anybody pinpoint for me the difference between "Dark Fantasy," "Urban Fantasy," "Supernatural Thriller," and "Soft Science Fiction?" I've had my book classified as all of the above at some point or another, and I'm trying to figure out which label best suits it.

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My BFF Wikipedia sez:

Urban fantasy is a subset of contemporary fantasy, consisting of novels and stories with supernatural content, set in contemporary, real-world, urban settings—as opposed to 'traditional' fantasy set in wholly imaginary landscapes, even ones containing imaginary cities, or having most of their action take place in them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy

Dark fantasy: stories that focus on darker themes, sometimes akin to those of horror, but which take place in a setting more like sword and sorcery or high fantasy. There is a strong overlap between this style of fantasy and sword and sorcery, due to the often bleak, pessimistic tones, and moral ambiguity (especially when compared to the more dualistic themes of high fantasy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fantasy

Thrillers are defined not by their subject matter but by their approach to it. Many thrillers involve spies and espionage, but not all spy stories are thrillers...Thrillers may be defined by the primary mood that they elicit: fearful excitement. In short, if it "thrills", it is a thriller.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(genre)

Soft science fiction, or soft SF, like its complementary opposite hard science fiction, is a descriptive term that points to the role and nature of the science content in a science fiction story. The term first appeared in the late 1970s and early 1980s and indicated SF based not on engineering or the "hard" sciences (for example, physics, astronomy, or chemistry) but on the "soft" sciences, and especially the social sciences (anthropology, sociology, psychology, political science, and so on). Another sense is SF that is more concerned with character, society, or other speculative ideas and themes that are not centrally tied to scientific or engineering speculations. A third sense is SF that is less rigorous in its application of scientific ideas, for example allowing faster-than-light space travel in a setting that otherwise follows more conservative standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_science_fiction

There is some overlap here. But a lot of it depends on how it's written. A story about monsters summoned from another realm, for instance, could be any of those genres, depending on what's emphasized in the writing. Thrillers emphasize being on the edge of your seat, urban fantasy emphasizes the interaction between fantastic elements and modern gritty real world, dark fantasy emphasizes themes of evil and bleakness and generally bad goings-on, soft SF emphasizes SF ideas combined with interpersonal relationships.

So, what does your writing emphasize in the novel? And, of somewhat lesser importance, what's your story about. (PS I looked on your website. I'd say definitely not soft SF. Most likely supernatural thriller.)
 

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Can anybody pinpoint for me the difference between "Dark Fantasy," "Urban Fantasy," "Supernatural Thriller," and "Soft Science Fiction?" I've had my book classified as all of the above at some point or another, and I'm trying to figure out which label best suits it
There's a lot of good opinion around, but no authoritative opinion, and no consensus. The labels are either marketing labels or categories of story-design, depending on whether you're trying to write one, sell one or promote one you've sold.

Here are my 'writing one' descriptions...

A fantasy is a story that uses whimsy to create a dream-like state in the reader. The location of fantasy is irrelevant; what matters is how the whimsy shapes the characters, setting and consequences.

Dark fantasy is fantasy that breaks taboos as a routine part of its story exposition. This differentiates it from horror, which is fantasy that breaks taboos at its crises. Taboos like forbidden interactions with the dead, devouring babies etc... make us feel uncomfortable, and it's that which gives us the sense of darkness. The fear in horror comes from additional thriller elements (on which more later) used to further enhance crises -- but those thriller elements can appear in other genres such as mysteries and dark fantasies too.

Urban fantasy is a fantasy that finds its whimsy in an urban environment. The whimsy capitalises on urban density, urban ambitions, urban problems, urban complexity. It could be a simple transplant of the whimsical into an urban environment (vamps, werewolves living among normal city-dwellers), or it could be the extrapolation of ordinary city features (e.g. buildings) into the whimsical (e.g. urban castles). There's nothing to stop an urban fantasy from being dark, or a dark fanasy from being urban.

Thriller-writing is a technique of building and maintaining anxiety. It does this by building toward an atrocity that's barely avoidable, and then holding resolution in suspense. The atrocity is often on a large scale (e.g. the destruction of a city), but it can also be on a personal scale (e.g. the murder of a family). Because the atrocity can also be a taboo, thriller-writing is highly compatible with horror-writing, and many horror stories are build on thriller-writing. But there's nothing to stop thriller techniques from being used in many other kinds of stories: mysteries, romance, fantasy etc...

A supernatural thriller is simply a thriller where the plot is built on a fantastical element. It only becomes a horror story if its atrocity breaks major taboos.

'Soft' Sci Fi is just fantasy decorated with scientific or technological elements. Like any other fantasy it aims to create wonder with its whimsy. By contrast 'hard' SF aims to investigate scientific or technological frontiers in a realistic rather than whimsical fashion.

Hope that helps.
 

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Think I've read a few stories over the years that include elements from the majority, if not all, of these categories. Wonder what those would be called now, since I don't think they had such slots to fit every possible setting until recent years (ie: last few decades?)

I have yet to figure out if I like this sub genre stuff. Good luck A.M. Boyle! Sorry I'm not much help :)
 

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I had a look at the blurb on the web-site AMB (nice music by the way). It's definitely some sort of fantasy; it also looks like it uses thriller techniques and has at least one taboo being broken (Adults Can't Lose Moral Control). As it opens with thriller techniques (anxiety, tension), has thriller woven through the plot, and seems to have a looming atrocity I think that paranormal thriller looks like the best fit. Dark fantasy looks like it also fits, but more weakly because it doesn't catch the drama.

With all that said, as this is saleable book and you're the author asking about it, the question in retrospect seems to hold a conflicted agenda (analysis vs commercial sales). Here then ends my contribution to this discussion.
 
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Urban fantasy is slowly being co-opted as a genre (ETA: I should say publishing category) for a particular kind of fantasy set in a city, usually featuring a kick-ass heroine. Where Topper by Thorne Smith would be one kind of urban fantasy, it wouldn't be the other.

The process is not complete, inevitable, or irreversible. At least one writer (whose blog I'm too lazy^h^h^h^hbusy to look up right now) has commented on the parts of the genre urban fantasy. (Just make sure which meaning the reader is applying.)
 
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Urban fantasy is slowly being co-opted as a genre for a particular kind of fantasy set in a city, usually featuring a kick-ass heroine. Where Topper by Thorne Smith would be one kind of urban fantasy, it wouldn't be the other.

The process is not complete, inevitable, or irreversiblel. At least one writer (whose blog I'm too lazy^h^h^h^hbusy to look up right now) has commented on the parts of the genre urban fantasy. (Just make sure which meaning the reader is applying.)


That is so true. I find it very depressing. I've read some great urban fantasy. I've read some crappy urban fantasy. Guess which one usually involves kickass female heroines. Not to say that that kind always is terrible. And sorry for hijacking the thread.

I'd say I generally agree with Ruv's definitions.
 

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Those links were awesome. (And yeah, Byron has a lot to answer for :D) On the other hand, it does look like urban fantasy refers exclusively nowadays to a contemporary setting with fantastical elements running amok (with special mention for protagonists who are female, stabbity, and sleeping with at least one of aforementioned fantastical elements).

Trying to wade through all these subgenres is confusing when the goalposts aren't even the same from writer to writer.
 
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